| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 2/4/2007 1:56:59 PM | I tend to disagree..I don't feel the need to be 'needed' or wanted by a man in any respect. Some people fare very well living alone..I'm one of them.
- I don't have to listen to a man complain about my 18 cats.
-I hate football hence, I have control of my remote at all times.
-I don't have to cook for anyone but me.
-I can take a bubble bath quietly sipping a glass of wine without a man constantly bothering me about such trivial things as "When is dinner??" good god..order a pizza.
-I can go to the beach on Saturday..without his sorry a$$ whining about me being in a bikini and other guys checking me out.
god..I love being single.
Sans
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 2/4/2007 2:58:48 PM | Msg 20 - politeness and consideration, from both genders, never goes out of style. Society is worse off because too many have forgotten this.
Msg 21 - what age are you dating? Not to mention too many people psychoanalyze dating, which is why they have problems with it. And too bad, but women have already founf out how ot have babies without men - and men are only too happy to get paid for making their anonymous deposits to be frozen for later use ;)
Msg 23 - Sure, we had some women who made things better - such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Stanton Cady...The women I don't agree made things better are those feminazis from the 60s and 70s who made it sound as thogh we had be act and be like men in order to be equal...Not only have they help to break up the family unit, they've made it so that any woman who believes in simply equality - such as the same pay for the same job - is looked at like some lunatic from NOW. Also, considering that NOW only stands up for women under certain circumstances and not *all* women, they've actually turned into what one could consider the epitome of a bad male.
Give me a real man any day...and that doesn't mean one who sits with a beer on a couch and belches, watched sports every weekend, or nails every female in site. A real man knows who and what he is...just as he knows what a real woman is. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 2/4/2007 3:05:30 PM | "Women want their cake,they want to eat it, and they want the man to bake it, serve them , and clean up the dishes."
No, I just want one that would help me clean up the dishes. Or when I'm busy and he's not, one that would be thoughtful enough to do them himself. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 2/4/2007 3:37:22 PM | Sombient, you make a good case of stating the problem. I’m looking at the long term solution and for that you’ve got to speak to the young women (and men). There may not be many of them here but there are some.
It's as if we are all slaves to the system. Things will change for the better when enough women are willing to make the necessary sacrifices. Sorry, we suckered for this line when you made enough money to support us wimmen. You don't any longer - and that has reduced your economic (resource) worth, one of the big motivators behind pair bonding in humans.
Yeh I know. Look at SugarDaddie.com. But I’m trying to effect a change in the motivation of the young women and resentment of the more mature womyn.
And what is your opinion of my attempt:
Screw your narrow-minded view of prince charming riding in on his white horse to save the poor helpless female!!
Under certain systems of thought and perspective, like yours (very “broad”-minded--pun intended) my thinking makes little sense. If the money, power, emotional connectivity, and longevity are not maximized for the individual female it would seem there is no purpose to pursuing that course and it would only be a “sucker” who would take me up on it.
If you were able to get the mind of the man, of this man anyway, you would see that there is a larger purpose (see myriad of former posts). Suffice it to say that I reject many of the assumptions in the modern progressive systems regarding “social conditioning,” the “evils” of being single, and the purpose of marrying.
In spite of your negative deficit cost benefit analysis the traditional family is coming back on a large scale. Want proof. The women who don’t believe in it aren’t reproducing themselves, and the women who do, are. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 7:11:04 PM | I agree with you chelynne completely in fact this is something that has been bothering me. I sometimes feel out of place when I meet women today , I thought maybe it was because of the old been with one woman for a long time thing and now I am single but I dont think so I have been single now for 2 years and during that 2 years there have been a few women that I have felt comfortable with but not many, I think you hit the nail on the head.  | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 7:25:16 PM | One thing that must be understood - what men and women do in society is not all culturally controlled. Much of our behavior is genetic - instinctive DNA instruction - hormonal driven and is not of conscious thought.
Far too many people believe EVERYTHING that men and women do is of a conscious, controllable and intentional nature - when in fact it is NOT.
We are animals - evolved over millions of years. And 'civilized' culture -a.k.a. society has only been around for 5000 years (a mere fly spec on the time scale) - most of which actually reinforced our instinctive nature.
Modern societal norms have been attempted to be enforced for only a few hundred years. So what do you expect - perfection - absolute adherence to modern societal expectations? Get over it.
Yes - we should abide by societal norms - but remember 'we are driven' by forces not all within our conscious control.
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 7:28:36 PM | I agree with the OP. I really hate these threads. I'm an old-fashioned, traditional girl. Was raised like that, will always believe in it but I also believe to each their own. Most women don't agree with the traditional way and that's ok, as long as I find a man that still believes in what I do it's all good.
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 7:44:47 PM | Well, if your profile requests a man who can kill spiders, open doors and make you feel like a helpless princess…don’t hold your breath waiting. This man will be standing in my kitchen having a great conversation while we are making dinner together, discussing current events ,and why he can kick my ass on the ski hill…but I can kick his on the golf course.
Further we are discussing future investments, raising children and planning the next great adventure, and all this while realizing there is more to relationships than stupid stereotypical roles!!!!
He then puts on an apron over his beautiful nude body and proceeds to do the dishes while I drink a lovely red wine, in appreciation that he is not on the couch with a six-pack watching the game!  | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:18:04 PM | women for the most part don't know what they want, and if they did, they change their minds due to the bull%$^$ other men do. and men don't know a good thing when they see it, and don't care to step up to the plate, or how to...
we've all got some learning to do | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:33:24 PM | I can do all that stuff on my own, and more, because I had to do it on my own. I still like being treated like a woman...having doors opened and so on..
No killing spiders tho, I just shoo em out.. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:44:51 PM | Hi Chelynne, Nice name by the way..
I have to agree with you on this... I'm going to speak based on my Faith/Religous Beliefs.
Biblically Speaking men and women have prescribed roles in life. Problem is that we have been so blinded by the "Feminist" movement that these rolls have totally been distored.. now don't get me wrong... I don't think for a minute a woman should stay with an abusive over bearing man thats not the idea.. but the man is the provider the woman the caregiver.
One of the reasons I have not remarried is becuase I have not found any one who want's to take on the role. I also believe that feminism although it did give some freedom to women.. it also lead to women being objectivied in porn etc..
I'm very old fashion and totally agree the man should be a man and the woman should be a woman. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:56:20 PM | I want a man to open jars for me since I can't do it myself with my bare hands. I need contraptions to open tight jars. I prefer that the man kill the spiders, but if I will have to do it myself hopefully I have good bug spray to handle it well. And Yes! I like men that open doors for me. It shows their mothers taught them good manners.
I can generally say I agree with you Chelynne
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 12:38:04 AM | My point is I don't think men know where they fit in a woman's life anymore. Women (not all) want to open their own doors, kill their own spiders, open their own jars, carry their own guns, etc. The men seem to have had their "role" as protector taken away and they don't know how to communicate with us anymore.
I quite agree with you, to an extent. However, it's not a mere matter of not knowing where we fit, but knowing there's no longer a place. It's not just a matter of having our roles as protectors taken away, but nearly every other role accordingly. Fems have worked for nearly 70 years to not merely break the mold you've traditionally come from, but fit into that which men have always had to. As a result, men are now dealing with women who's mentality is that of their own. Talk about a Trojan Horse. However, I'm not taking an adverse position. I can't imagine what it's like to be a woman who's pressured to exist against her very nature. What a mind job society plays on all of you. Heart attack rates for women have gone thru the roof, divorce rates are beyond what anyone could call normal, and the groups who've brought you this life show no signs of ever stopping and saying, "ok, now it's fair." Truth is, ladies, it has never been about equality. Any time when anything idealistic which benefits one group over another is placed in practice, it quickly turns to vice. It is and always will be about power. Therefore, how on earth can anyone expect to have a healthy relationship when our society is far, too busy drawing lines in the sand between us? I no longer see people who are unsatisfied with their role in this world; I see a mob of people who hate every bit as much as any group they attack. The only difference, however, is that you attack us all...
I miss the times when I still believed in you... | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 12:50:49 AM | | op,i would have to agree,i like bein girly..i dont want to have to do everything my self ...besides playing damsil in distress has always been what i like ...and in my life w/ 2kids alone ive proved i can do it myself ,just dont want to anymore!!! so agree...thats my vote!!! | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 1:01:34 AM | I agree that our generation totally confused the men. Yet they have had 20 years to figure it out...lol. As for me I want a man who will do all the things you mentioned. I just don't want him to expect me to check my brain at the door. We are all adults and have our own areas of expertise. I would like to find someone who can respect that and work together to solve life's problems. This actually is better for him because he is no longer solely responsible for our life path. Believe me as a single parent for most of my adult life having no one to talk to about big decisions sucks. As far as who does what around the house that seems pretty simple. It is called communication. Find out what each one likes to do and hire someone to do the rest! Problem solved.
I appreciate him opening doors for me. I take it as a sign of affection and respect. I have been known to return the favor especially when we are going into a restaurant that has two door entries. Most men are amused by it while some seemed uncomfortable. I think it all boils down to common courtesy. If you are going to the kitchen it is only good manners to ask if they want something while you are in there. If you see something that needs to be done, stop and do it. If you know something will bring a smile to their face then it should bring you just as much enjoyment to do it just to see them smile. That goes for men and women. As far as being the protector in my eyes the man is always the main protector but if he gets in trouble you can bet I will be in their getting him out. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 3:47:33 AM | OP...agreed. The lines have been completely blurred...add to that the fact that more than a few women enjoy the perogative of doing complete 180's whenever the moment strikes them...to the point we men don't know whether to love shoes and shave our balls or just grunt and take sex from you again...
Feminism as a catalyst to true gender equality died a long time ago and left a terrible legacy for use to sort through...which brought about speed dating...yeesh... | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 4:20:14 AM | I hold the door for anyone really.
And spiders, actually, I try to catch them and put them outside... they eat things like mosquitoes and flies, which are far more annoying than spiders are  | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 5:00:18 AM | | i think women n men were fine until the self help gurus told us we wasnt...have you looked at thier lifes? and that doc. spock? his advice and his own children the spawn of hell...sometimes it comes down to the individual woman and who she is...not men vs women... | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 5:20:41 AM | It's even changing down here. I moved down here from up North because it has just become SO nasty up there. At least down here (for now anyhow) I can still do as my Mom taught me and use those silly phrases like "Yes Ma'am, please, and thank you".
Yep, without a doubt, there is a certain percentage of women out there that make it harder for the nice women and when men run into them time after time? Yes, we do tend to stop looking.
We don't mind rules, just stop changing them every time some new stupid so called guru goes on Oprah and schleps their book.
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 5:28:07 AM | I agree. It's one thing to desire independence and have it when requested, and another to be force fed a role by societal and cultural dictation.
I am a protector, and my masculinity is void in a relationship with a woman, if I'm not permitted to do what my body, and mind have evolved to do. I am not physically stronger for nothing. I am not mentally adept at certain tasks of my gender for nothing. Women and men are compatible, but we developed physically and mentally to compliment each other, not imitate each other [which is also a societal pressure today] to the point of invalidating our innate qualities. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/13/2007 12:50:44 PM | | To say women put women where we are today is totally wrong. Our society and culture has evolved in such a way that women have had to assume the role of provider and breadwinner and protector of the family in many situations, like it or not. Families headed by a single mother are rising. So women have learned to survive without a man & have learned to be more independent. Not necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I'd rather see women be able to take care of themselves, than be dependent on some fool, just out of fear or lack of any skill. The key is to find a happy medium for the individuals involved in a particular relationship, like any issue in any relationhip. | |
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