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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 7:42:14 AM | Troy,
You're joking, right? You took the name of a self-important cartoon moron for your handle, so I have to allow that maybe you're being sarcastic. Except that I can't detect the humor in your nonsense.
No female role models? No skilled, grounded, ethical, accomplished women? Do you see any women outside of that strokebook?
I won't even bother to sample the many famous and admirable women around the world . . . OK, I will, but just one, narrow category. Alva Myrdal, Aung San Suu Kyi, Rigoberta Menchu Tum, Jody Williams, Shirin Ebadi, and Wangari Maathai all received the Nobel Peace Prize in the last 25 years. And six others received it in earlier years, not to mention the many female recipients of other Nobels.
But never mind them. Just unfasten your hindquarters from your porn throne and get thee to a hospice, a children's hospital, a rehab clinic, a police station, or any unit now serving in Iraq, and you won't be able to avoid all the women doing the kinds of hard and dangerous work in service to others that would break chuckleheads like you and me.
No role models!? Your feeling, as you call it, is a most wanton and willful species of ignorance. Most people have to practice to be that wrong.
Cheeese!
Vulf  | |
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 9:12:20 AM | Women by nature are not abandoners. Males in their pathological attempt to find 'greener grass', 'evade child support' and 'evade dutiful support of wife and child' and 'evade provision for their wife and their children' , as their 'husbandly duty', (look up definition of husbandry), have abandoned 62 million women w/children, in USA who live, census 2000, as single parent mothers, heads of household in USA, living below the poverty level. Dept. of Justice can not find these sires, abandoners, to collect child support from them. Source: US Dept of Human Service
So as a result, the 'seeking greener grass' pathological males all became polyamorous, got and spread std's, sti's, aids, created genetic sti birth defected children and they suffer syphilis brain infections from their sleep around promiscuity and pathological philandering, it only takes one cheating exposure to catch and spread deadly sti's and theses men cost the USA health care and global health care systems 16 times the health care resources for their sti caused heart attacks, pre mature alsheimers, strokes, paralysis, early dementia, early parkinsons, infectious diseases, vision disorders, prostrate cancers, addictions and 101 other health problems, all caused by infidelity and promiscuity, sexual sampling and spreading of sti's.
Because males misused and abused their privaledge as monogamous husband, stable provider, and became derilict in their duties and roles as upright good faithful monogamous husbands, fathers and providers, the males got sick from philandering, caught sti's and 62 million women with children now are single mom heads of household in USA. So sexism as well as rascism, caused the revolt against pathological patriarchy, males abused and exploited women and children and males abused and exploited people of color. So in the 1930's and beyond women revolted against sexism and sexist mistreatment and all people of color revolted against rascism and slavery and exploitation. So just as slavery has been abolished in USA, sexism has been abolished in USA also. And that leaves rascist and sexist men who are sti infected looking to rape single mothers and exploit people of color, lost, sick, and just a leftover deadly scourge of a dead era, gone forever and never to return. Men who are monogamous, faithful, upright, who support and provide for their brides of youth and children faithfully were unscathed by the social elimination of sexist and rascist males.
Men who want to provide, be monogamous and supportive find good mates, men who want to mooch off of single working moms paychecks and steal childrens milk and cookie money are finding society has no place for sexists and racists other then prison or teaching hospitals, which is where pathologicals belong in the first place. Read www.lovefraud.com to get more info.
Good Luck. | |
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 9:29:11 AM |
Women by nature are not abandoners. Males in their pathological attempt to find 'greener grass'
"A rising number of women are having extramarital affairs. In 1991, research showed married men cheated a lot more often, with about one in five admitting to having affairs, compared with one in 10 women. But a 3,000-person study from the National Opinion Research Center in 2002 suggests that the overall rate of extramarital cheating for women is rising rapidly and is approaching that of men, with nearly one in six married women saying they have had affairs."
"My story:
Shortly after my 27th birthday, I began to feel very different. I had been happily married for 4 years and then, suddenly out of nowhere, I began feeling bored and unhappy. In an attempt to figure out what was causing my unhappiness, I looked for answers in books, tried to talk to my Mother and eventually went to see a psychologist. All of the information I received attributed the way I was feeling to my husband, and similar to the majority of women, I began to view my husband as the culprit too.
Currently, women are initiating 70 - 75% of all divorces
Later, through my own research, I discovered that what I was experiencing was quite normal. In fact, women are the most likely to divorce in their late twenties and thirties after an average of 4 years of marriage. "
Hmm... so women are cheating more and more, rising to the point of being equal to the men, and are initiating 70-75% of all divorces...
But its all the men's fault? | |
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 1:22:30 PM | Today women have EOE, equal opportunity employment and many women have good educations, so if a man is not supportive or if the male does not enrich and enhance the womans life, the woman today has many more options and can divorce rather then stay in a marriage that is non supportive or harmful to her health and well being.
That said, I read a study that children who come from divorced homes have a 90% higher risk of divorce themselves, as they learned as children that the way to solve problems was to divorce. Children of intact families saw how their parents worked thru problems so they have different learned relationship skills then children of divorced families.
Bill Gates has donated zillions of dollars to the global health issue and the Bill Gates commission found when women are economically empowered and administratively empowered in a society, the health of a society or nation improves 100%. So financial empowerment of women and administrative empowerment of women is good for the health of a society, culture and nation. See, Bill Gate Committee on global health, keywords, online for more info.
Sexism, = exploitation, objectification, and limiting of choice and opportunity, for women and children, is a dead evil, and rascism, explotation, objectification, and limiting of choice and opportunity for people of color, is also a dead evil. It is a new information age and eoe world. Chauvanists, troglydytes and sexist and rascist cave dwellers, are left in the dust. To divorce or not to divorce is up to the individual, as all have freedom of choice. The top 3 listed grounds for divorce in USA are 1. lack of financial support, 2. adultery, or 3. abuse/mistreatment and children issues. Statistically women divorce for one of those three reasons, the guy is a non supportive bum or parasite that steals the childrens milk and cookie money to buy video games and sports cars, or the guy is a cheater, or the guy is an abuser, and NO ONE has the right to hit anyone. So the woman leaves and files for divorce , which is a reasonable thing to do if the male is non supportive, a cheater or an abuser.
Women as a rule do not abandon wonderful loving supportive faithful husbands. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 1:35:59 PM | Yes. I, as well as you, since we ar the same age, grew up with the Women's Movement. I believe it ruined men, families, the work force. It will take time, however, I believe we can get back to the way men and women are really suppose to be. And that is not equal I am proud to say. Who wants a man that acts like a woman and vice versa.
That's one thing I find interesting with on-line dating. Men's profiles often say they want someone with their similar interest . . . sorry guys . . . I really don't want to go hunting, fishing, camping, mudding and sporting any more than you would like to go shopping, to the mall, nail salon, hair salon, jewelery shows, etc. wtih me. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 2:07:09 PM | Women put women where we are today!?
I do not know where women are today and who put them there.
What I would like to know is: Who "put" all them blonde "Goddesses" in Scandivania? Zeus?  Glad they move South every summer! lol lol | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 2:34:45 PM | | Look at the question from a different angle. Modern society loves obedient fearful unbalanced material obsessed consumers. How to make sure that kids grow up that way, remove the greatest influence in their lives, their parents, and replace it with your own programming. On every parameter you wish to look at the average American family is now worse off than thirty years ago. Same holds true for other Western countries. It's not just the feminists that took the bait hook line and sinker, everybody did. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 3:05:24 PM | Women by nature are not abandoners.
But you agree they are quicker to divorce. Your position seems paradoxical.
Males....have abandoned 62 million women w/children, in USA who live, census 2000, as single parent mothers, heads of household in USA, living below the poverty level.
You mean, she abandoned him (see divorce rate as agreed to above), left with his children and he can’t afford to pay the amount required by child support guidelines. That makes HIM the “abandoner”?
So as a result...
Of what?
... the 'seeking greener grass' pathological males all became polyamorous, got and spread std's
If the women are leaving the men - for whatever reason, I’d venture to say it’s the women who are seeking greener grass. –And do you mean to say that suddenly, for whatever unspecified reason, men who were once monogamous became polyamorous? Or do you mean to say that men who were primarily monogamous for centuries suddenly became polyamorous? And for what reason again?
heart attacks, pre mature alsheimers, strokes, paralysis, early dementia, early parkinsons, infectious diseases, vision disorders, prostrate cancers, addictions and 101 other health problems, all caused by infidelity and promiscuity.
LMBO! !
Because males misused and abused their privaledge as monogamous husband, stable provider, and became derilict in their duties and roles as upright good faithful monogamous husbands, fathers and providers, the males got sick from philandering, caught sti's and 62 million women with children now are single mom heads of household in USA.
Now there are a couple of over-generalizations. I’ve heard a few whoppers on POF, but those two get extra fantasy points.
Men who are monogamous, faithful, upright, who support and provide for their brides of youth and children faithfully were unscathed by the social elimination of sexist and rascist males.
I understood OP to be saying the opposite; that the women’s movement has become so militantly anti-male it’s affecting gender roles and healthy relationships in a negative way. Not that you ever meet any militant male-bashing women around here...
Women as a rule do not abandon wonderful loving supportive faithful husbands. Women divorce pathological males.
Riiight... I forgot your basic (unspoken) premise: Woman = good; Man = bad. I guess that sums up all of the world’s problems. The Man Virus. | |
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| What put who where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 3:09:01 PM | Margo!
Today's Disobfuscation Award is all yours!
Of COURSE, "equal" means the same rights and the same obligations under the law. These scaredychumps who want to turn that inside out simply fear their own freedom, and yours, and mine. It is so much less challenging to dismiss the next person's humanity, their essential undefinedness, and treat them like the simplistic "types" we prefer that they conform to.
All human qualities are in all people, men, women, and otherwise. Experience draws some qualities out and supresses others. Conventional, small-minded, anti-progressive people insist we all behave inside the arbitrary lines of their own terrors. Well, screw them. Let's scribble their silly lines away, once and for all.
BTW, did anybody else see Dan Savage's column this week? It made me wonder if CityMouse would expect that dear girl with two vaginas (didelphic vaginus, for you medical students and perverts) to be twice as girlie.
Where I would simply expect her to be twice as popular.
Cheers!
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| What put who where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 3:32:36 PM | oh oh , so many people are getting bitter it seems,
No matter what women say , they still generally do not persue men , no matter how eveolve they claim to be and that is a generalization men agree generally also generallylike 90 something percent women feel the need to be protected so they choose tall men over men their hieght or any hieght . Also the same for economic staure of men to be at or higher , that does not change , even who pays the restaurant bill is the norm for a guy , no matter how evolved women claim to be.
Hahahaha
everything else is just the fantasy of feeling like a man or a women of yesteryear , like a Barbara Cartland novel .
Yes lady we are evil , men are evil , we abandon families , get women pregnant and leave , hurt women in general, if women chose real guys , they would not have this problem , women tend to change guys attitude from being nice and giving to being the coveted badboy .
That is why I am fake bad boy , hahahaha | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 3:38:21 PM | I 1000000000% agree with you. Single, I am independet, on my own take care of my own. And I guess since my best guy friend passed on Tuesday, I have to kill my own spiders now. :(
BUT I do want to be taken care of in a sense. I want the man to feel like a man and a provider in the relationship. I want to be the one that he comes home to with dinner on the table, a clean house, with happy kids and a happy home. I think that if that was how it was today, we'd have less divorces.
But i'm a little old fashioned..... :D And yes, I want it all including the white picket fence. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 5:25:45 PM | OP - interesting thread. I don't agree that women put women where we are today. Life in 2007 is about choices and it applies to BOTH sexes. I think both genders have suffered the consequences of far too many choices and a lack of direction in their lives. On one side, it's great to be able to choose to work or stay at home. What I have found is people today don't want to be held accountable for their actions. It doesn't matter whether one opens jars, stays at home and raises the kids, or fries up the bacon. There's way too much finger pointing at each other.
Sure, women's roles are different than in the 1930's, and it's enabled BOTH sexes to have greater choices. If a wife works, it enables hubby to make choices about what he does and whom he works for. It allows a couple to have more financial flexibility. Again, though for every positive, a negative tends to occur. Are these choices easy? No.
What's become so sad about both sexes is we spend more time squabbling, than really helping each other out. Today, people are afraid to "ask for help". They are afraid of looking less than "perfect". Therefore, it's the ol "I don't need you". Yeah, we do need each other but at the same token, we feel good if we can also accomplish something on our own. Think in this way, a country can accomplish a hell of a lot more if people work together (things get done quicker and better), than if one goes solo. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 5:52:29 PM | so you are on the mens side op,and you agree with us that men are emasculated by modern society?
divorce has never been so easy and when the going gets tough the ladies get divorced.
what a player!
thanks
john | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 6:11:51 PM | | OP I agree , chivalry seems to be mostly gone . I am secure enough to deal with ladies that are working of course . I do think that there is nothing wrong with a guy that does little things like holds the door for a lady, or lets a lady order first in a restaurant. One thing I used to judge a woman on though it does not apply today because of remote for car doors , is that when you open the passenger side for the lady if she reaches over to open door lock for me . | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 6:20:12 PM | ^^^^^
I ALWAYS do that! If a guy opens a door for me....I unlock the door regardless. If it's already unlocked I pull the handle a little bit. :D
Guys seem to be impressed by this, but that's what I was taught! | |
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 8:48:03 PM | ive never heard of any of those people vulf.... and I am willing to bet that most young women couldnt name a female nobel winner. So what society are you talking about ??
I think its pretentious to assume what work ive done, maybe you are a desk jockey but im not, so speak for yourself. For example today I spent the better part of my day busting a nut under mask in an explosive and highly poisonous atmosphere. Sound like fun
My point is society is changing.... others have made the point and todays women dont measure up to the women of yesterday. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/28/2007 9:28:13 PM | I agree. But I think the biggest culprit is the sexual revolution, women's lib groups and the birth control pill. At the same time, men knew because of all this they could just get up and walk away forever from a woman immediately after sex with no recourse, societal shame or guilt because the woman was now "equal" to him in all aspects according to modern society rules. However, if the women weren't so eager to spread her legs for a complete stranger and audition for men via sex, men wouldn't be conditioned to do this (not all men but a growing number). I've read on boards how women 'wait' for sex until the third date. Hmmm, yeah that's playing hard to get, for sure! He'll respect you so much more that you waited until date #3. When a woman gives it away for free she is putting herself lower than a prostitute. Is it any wonder men don't stick around...if we don't respect ourselves, have ethics and live by them then why should men respect us and stick around? OP, I agree with you 100%. We were sold a false bill of goods by the 'experts' and have been paying the price of a lie ever since. (Maybe the sexual revolution was invented by Hugh Hefner or just people who really hated women and wanted to make their lives miserable?)
BTW, in the Bible, men were supposed to ask any woman they slept with to marry them afterward. Only if she said no was he free to leave without guilt or recourse. If a man slept with a woman and did not offer marriage (I guess in case she got pregnant or felt violated /remorse) then that man was destroying the reputation of that girl's father for the rest of her father's life and tremendous disrespect and shame in the community would be thrown at the girl's father. Because our modern-day society is so open-minded and accepting of all points of view and all situations doesn't make it correct. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 3:36:16 AM | | TO msg 193 . I am an atheist so bible quotes mean nothing to me lmao. By the way you talk about women as if they were cheap to have sex with men early on ... yet you have a couple of very provocative pictures, seems hypocritical to me . I do not think its right to judge a woman even if there was sex on a first date. If there is a connection than why not. Even if there is no connection. I for one would like a connection if I were to have sex early on , but I sure wont judge anyone for that . | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 6:13:13 AM |
bailame: BTW, in the Bible, men were supposed to ask any woman they slept with to marry them afterward. Only if she said no was he free to leave without guilt or recourse. If a man slept with a woman and did not offer marriage (I guess in case she got pregnant or felt violated /remorse) then that man was destroying the reputation of that girl's father for the rest of her father's life and tremendous disrespect and shame in the community would be thrown at the girl's father. Because our modern-day society is so open-minded and accepting of all points of view and all situations doesn't make it correct.
Interesting that you use this reference to blame some of our woes on the sexual revolution, birth control pill and woman's lib.
This marriage custom was not "in case the woman felt remorse"... it was because she was no longer marriageable, ruined for life... men would ONLY marry a virgin (medical exam prior to the wedding). And yes, her family would feel the shame of it for many years to come. SHE wouldn't, of course, because she'd be long dead... legally murdered because of the shame and dishonour she brought to their house. Including, BTW, if she had been raped.
Be careful what you wish for... these were not exactly the golden times for families and especially not for being property... er, female. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 12:54:50 PM | Margo may take the trifecta here.
Baila is pretty confused about her scriptures, isn't she? I get the impression she doesn't exactly read them herself. Maybe she likes a preacher on the radio.
Anyway, bullseye. Until well into the 20th Century, in living memory, woman had fewer basic rights than man, to the extent that it was difficult (and, before that, illegal) for her to own property, for instance. Property passed with her, in dowry, from man to man. She was herself, in effect (and, before that, in law) property, first her father's, then her husband's. Baila's violated girl didn't deserve a proposal - her father did, for the damage to his goods.
That's why one of the bible's authors lays down that charming admonition to a groom on his wedding night: should he discover he isn't first at the gate, he is to drag the whore out of his house to her father's door, where he should kill her and leave her.
These are the "better" people of the long ago we hear so much about. Poop on them, I say.
And Troy? What can I say. Many millions of people, men and women, know exactly who those women are. You know what the difference is between them (men and women) and you?
You didn't look up even one of those names. And you've got the Google right in front of you. See, some people want to know things. And you want to pass off your casual impressions as informed opinions. Or maybe you don't know the difference, which is in books.
But never mind all that. You just be careful. I gather you are doing the good work, too, and I'm grateful to you.
Cheers!
Vulf | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 1:09:14 PM | | I dont think PEOPLE know where their fit is in general. for those of us in todays dating market a womans 'place' (I believe you're referring to) is well understood. Communication isn't as difficult as one would think. So i would have to disagree somewhat. I believe that the problem is that people don't seem to think of their relationship as a partnership... A life partnership. Just my 2 cents. | |
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| Women put women where we are today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 1:14:08 PM | | Ohmygosh, please read what is going on in the WORLD with women...expectations, rights, what is going on in their lives...even reading just gives us a glimpse of the picture, and it is not pretty. Women need to continue to support one another. I think the feminist movement, equal rights, and birth control are some of the best things that have happened for women, and these are not available/present in many areas of the world. | |
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 1:59:20 PM | queennotprincess - women by nature are not abandoners. Males in their pathological attempt to find 'greener grass', 'evade child support' and 'evade dutiful support of wife and child' and 'evade provision for their wife and their children'....
So as a result, the 'seeking greener grass' pathological males all became polyamorous..
It is women -- not men -- that are pushing men into non-mongamous relationshps. Mainly because women do not want men to share life with. They want men who do "what the woman wants" or to be some unrealistic verson of what a man/husband is. The younger women especially have such a selfish, evil, and anti-male belief system that I fear for what the face of our society is going to be 20 years from now.
A lot of men have several women on the go because those women are friends, and men have learned that you only get love in the form of scraps -- take what you can get, because its not enough to live off of in one relationship alone. I know men who are basically latchkey boyfriends. The woman dates them a couple times of the month when they want sex, groceries, baby sitter, etc -- but otherwsie they sit around man bashing when they think we cannot hear.
Women as a rule do not abandon wonderful loving supportive faithful husbands.
Wow. You could not be more wrong. You sound like you are in love with your own anger. Thats a common social disease in America -- ignorance.
I dont think any man begrudes women equal rights. But I think now that women have equality in North America -- they don't know how to steer the ship. Too many are still stuck in the old mindset of "blame men", and not enough have clued to the fact that men are fed up with the BS coming out of what women define as ideal families.
I think most men just see the new world as having no positive or leadership role for men anymore.
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| Who put what where which is today!?
Posted: 6/29/2007 9:47:27 PM | The top 3 listed grounds for divorce in USA are 1. lack of financial support, 2. adultery, or 3. abuse/mistreatment and children issues.
Too many are still stuck in the old mindset of "blame men", and not enough have clued to the fact that men are fed up with the BS coming out of what women define as ideal families.
Yeah, I just loved all the stuff from the "princess" myself, BB. I read all that and I just had to think to myself, who on earth would want to date someone with such a negative attitude towards the opposite gender??? I mean, really! (Oh, wait, I *know* the answer to that... anyone who wants to put up with constantly being berated for everything, but puts up with it for... sex. Exactly the type of guy she disdains so blatantly).
Lets see, I've been cheated on by a woman where I paid the mortgage, all the bills, maintained the house and yard, while she... shopped on QVC, played games on her computer, and wanted a bigger house (that I couldn't afford alone, but suggesting "we" could buy something bigger, *together*, got me emotionlessly tossed aside for a guy with more money. Oh yeah, I never cheated, never hit her, and was doing all I could to "financially support her" - oh, wait, the "princess" says women never leave guys like that.
(Oh, and let me add, he cheated on her less than a year later, she hasn't had longer than a 6mo relationship since, is bitter and disdains men to this day, except me who she claims to be "the only man she's ever loved and who has ever really loved her". Go figure.)
Still have another one that calls me up trying to guilt me into helping her financially, with the kid she had by some jobless loser thats in jail last I heard. Hmm... I have a stable job, own a house free and clear, paid for everything... but running from state to state with the jobless guy to stay ahead of the multiple arrest warrants was just so much more *exciting*!!!
Do I think women are evil? Of course not. But I've dated the gamut from ones that run back to their ex's "for the kids" (and plan on leaving "a**hole" when the kids turn 18), ones that don't know the meaning of "compromise" ("my way or the highway")... and yeah, some really wonderful women too. Yeah, I've never cheated, never hit a woman, and do what I can financially (money doesn't grow on trees!)... and no, the women I've dated have been *my* choices to date, I share *equal* blame for how/why they ended.
I think these women who marry guys who wind up cheating on them, abusing them, or aren't financially stable/supportive, should really take their time to look at *their* part in the relationships, and *their* choices, rather than sitting there trying to "blame men" for their woes. The more you focus on the *negative*, the more you'll see things negatively. "Expect the worst, and you'll never be disappointed."
Unfortunately, we live in a society where people don't want to be responsible for their own actions. Heck, she spilled hot McD's coffee in her lap... is it *her* fault? No! Sue! Its their (his/her) fault for not "warning me" I was playing with something hot (fire)! | |
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