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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:24:07 PM | I'm not done , god damn it lol, just adding some more to this , that it just isn't people on ODSP/OW that are stigmatized financially , it's also the min wage worker, there is a real
division happening, the gap between rich and poor, is getting wider, it can be visualized
in history in many ways, The RMS Titanic had a such a layout, the rich on the top, the middle class on the mid-lower but still good decks, and then the very poor which were housed in the bottom of the ship on F and G deck, all classes separated from each other by real and mental divisions, unless you've been poor, I'm guessing that people want nothing to do with someone who is , unless you've been there, so I'm encouraging others on ODSP, let yourself be known on POF and get out there and find someone who is also on ODSP, someone real, genuine, not materialistic , not driven by money, people like us that just want to love and live a good happy life together, and not worry about all this other shit society force feeds down our throats, some of the nicest most caring people I've met are poor , There is a real crash about to happen in society, recession wise, the iceberg is looming closer, the ship is doomed
People do not choose to became disabled.............or poor , they get shafted by society
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Posted: 4/27/2008 9:26:36 AM | | to correct you your base salary is on how much your rent is and most single people only get 981 dollars to live off of the whole month and alot of people don't do good with money especially if the have mental issues like my self i have to watch everything that i spend and most of my money goes for rent ,medication,food and washing my clothes hell mabey i might be able to afford a new dvd or movie if it is under 20 bucks.. so don't get fooled by the amount that single people get on odsp..but if they cannot accept you for your financial security then what if they found out why your on odsp??? | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/27/2008 9:41:17 AM | i suffer from psychophrenia and am on odsp and if you thought it was hard to find a date on odsp then try my condition as soon as anyone know of it they go into the stigmatism of we are all psychos and need to be avoided.. we are not all like that we do have medications we take and most of us are good to go in life and i personally give back to my community as a youth support worker trying to help kids lose their addictions and help them stop the abuse of substances.. but i guess when women say they are looking for a nice guy and a honest guy they are lying themselves so i don't know if being honest on here is good for us in the long run because i've been on here for sometime now and not even one date or someone to contact me back at all so i guess this site really hits home with the self esteem issues when on odsp and having a mental illness to boot mabey we can work together to help each other find someone..they say love is blind and i hope it finds me soon..cause this is getting silly really silly here they want a honest and nice guy and when one comes along they reject him so mabey we should be shalow too and reject them but this is not in us so i guess we will have to wait some more until the right person comes along..   | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/27/2008 3:36:06 PM | hi peekaacju , glad to see you come onboard this topic, As I feel very strongly about this
issue, and trying to educate others about it all the time, as I feel the need to
advocate for ODSP recipients and the fact they we are all human beings and kind loving
people who just want to be accepted for who we are, not how much we make or don't make
money wise, If a potential companion truly is honest about dating someone nice and genuine , then a ODSP pension shouldn't even be a issue, but unfortunately it is, too many people and i mean both men and women are too frikin materialistic , they sit in their
nice expensive houses etc, and wonder why they're alone, why? cause they wont give anyone less their income a chance, I don't want someone's money, I just want a Girlfriend
who can accept me for what I am, A super honest kind caring nice guy, like you also ...
I will keep this thread on ODSP alive forever,
Tony!!!! | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/27/2008 5:25:31 PM | We all at some time or other let life get us down, and there is nothing wrong with that. Plenty of experts out there figured out a long time ago, that it is far worse to keep things bottled up.
But while you've recovering from that curve ball life threw you, the best thing to do is to keep the hope alive. For yourself and for others, as well. Actually helping others, as some of you already know, is extremely rewarding in so very many different ways.
It teaches you to truly see what is important in life.
It reminds us that no matter how tough it is, there will always be someone who has it worse.
It keeps you humble, yet lets you maintain your dignity.
It keeps you out there, constantly meeting and interacting with people.
And knowing that you have made a difference in this world, or in someone's life is priceless.
Remember:
You are not the person going to court with a cervical collar around your neck claiming 'whiplash', suing for damages, and then going partying with your buddies, or building an addition on your house when you think the lawyers and judges aren't watching.
You are not the person who sneers at people 'living off the taxpayer', while they stuff their pockets, lunch pails and briefcases with items from their place of employ, or pads their expense account, because 'no one will notice'.
You are not the person who sits in judgment of those less fortunate, or worse, looks the other way.
Remember that most people are compassionate and kind. Do not let the few who aren't, make you bitter.
Realize that you can sleep at night, perhaps with pain, but also with a clean conscience.
And when you are confronted by those too lacking in knowledge to know the difference, look them in the eye - and smile.
Because you know you have worth.
Because although you may have to fight a little harder, or wait a little longer for what you want, you will likely appreciate it more when you get it.
Because you have made a difference in this world.
hnh  to you all!
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/29/2008 4:29:02 PM | I have been following this thread since it's birth. To all of those on ODSP, or even OW...What HnH above me just said is so true.
You are deserving of love and campanionship.
You are strong.
You are survivors.
You are more humble
You are less ignorant
You are kind, campassionate, caring, genuine.
You are advocates for those that are afraid to speak out and raise awareness whether it's for ODSP, OW, Mental Illness, or some physical disability or cause.
There's soooooooo much more I want and could say because some of the ignorant people in this thread have pi**ed me off and I'd like to tear a strip out of them....but that wouldn't solve anything and would start a flame war. I think the other's have said it well and they know who they are...and I thank each and every one of you! | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 4/30/2008 12:56:55 PM | The last date I went on I met a guy who was on ODSP He is visually impaired (legally blind) I am seeing him again today. It does not matter to me the financial/physical/medical situation. If I like someone I like THEM and everything that comes with them, to think any different is just shallow !
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Posted: 4/30/2008 5:46:28 PM | thanks browneyedbrunette73 and lookin4yah , for the kind responses, you've giving me
hope there may be someone out there for me after all, who will accept me for me!!!
they say , nice guys finish last, sometimes it seems , the nicest guys, don't finish at all
but I do have hope now, I really do, cause what I have to offer the right understanding woman is a compassion and love so deep that money can't even dream of rivaling it....
Tony !!! | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/9/2008 8:21:19 AM | been a few days since I've popped something up here, I decided to add this today about ODSP, concerning singles, and wanting to move in with a boyfriend or girlfriend while on
ODSP, this is truly tragic and not right , I had high hopes in 2003 when Dalton McGuinty
was elected stuff like this would change for the better, but it hasn't proving he is just as
much of a ***hole as Mike Harris was .......
Unfortunately, they will include him/her in your benefit unit and half of
what he/she makes will be taken off your cheque. If he/she makes too
much, whereby half of what he makes is more than your cheque,
then you will be disqualified financially. Ever wonder why 85% of
households on ODSP are single? It's Truly disgusting that not only are disabled
made to suffer financially , but they have to be expected to be single also....
It's no wonder why many on ODSP attempt suicide ........
Hate to sound negative, with this info, but it truly bothers me .
though hopefully someday in the future, this will change , these pricks need in
government need a beating, or if I had my way, a year in the same kind of hell
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/10/2008 5:55:12 PM | I have learned that it doesn't matter which politician you vote for...they all lie anyway!!!  | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 7:28:07 PM | From the Ontario government website:
The Ontario Disability Support Program (ODSP) is designed to meet the unique needs of people with disabilities who are in financial need
You are NOT entitled to this money because you are disabled. You may think this is unfair, but is it fair to the people who pay taxes if you are able to have a better standard of living than them ??? It is NOT meant to be used as beer money or to pay for trips or a car or whatever. It is meant to keep you from starving and being homeless and that is all.
been a few days since I've popped something up here, I decided to add this today about ODSP, concerning singles, and wanting to move in with a boyfriend or girlfriend while on ODSP, this is truly tragic and not right ,
Many of us are single out there, including me. You want the taxpayers to make it easier for people on ODSP to get a woman or man by giving you more of their money. That is NOT our concern.
I had high hopes in 2003 when Dalton McGuinty
was elected stuff like this would change for the better, but it hasn't proving he is just as
much of a ***hole as Mike Harris was .......
You may not like Mike Harris, but he did what he said he was going to do and people elected him.
You don't like these politicians because they won't give you more of the taxpayers money to you. The taxpayers won't like it if he gives you more of their money.
Unfortunately, they will include him/her in your benefit unit and half of
what he/she makes will be taken off your cheque. If he/she makes too
much, whereby half of what he makes is more than your cheque,
then you will be disqualified financially.
As was stated above, ODSP is based on financial need. I say so what. ODSP is NOT meant to be extra money.
Ever wonder why 85% of
households on ODSP are single? It's Truly disgusting that not only are disabled
made to suffer financially , but they have to be expected to be single also....
It's no wonder why many on ODSP attempt suicide ........
It is disgusting that people are single ???
This emotional blackmail is not going to work on me and I am glad my government doesn't fall for it. If some taxpayers cannot make their house payments because they are giving you more of their money, they will attempt suicide too.
Hate to sound negative, with this info, but it truly bothers me .
though hopefully someday in the future, this will change , these pricks need in
government need a beating, or if I had my way, a year in the same kind of hell
they put their own citizens through.......sigh
If they give away more of the taxpayers money, they will have to worry about a lot more than a beating. There are lot of people out there that do their business underground.
I noticed a lot of members stayed out of this thread because they think it will make them look bad if they challenged anything said here. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 9:29:01 AM | Wow Steve!
I am stunned by your intolerance and downright disgust of people with disabilities receiving assistance. I have a very good friend that receives o.d.s.p. and struggles to make ends meet.
I really hope you never become disabled and require assitance, you have no idea what a struggle it is for some people that are unable to work.
I suppose in your world, if you ruled it, you might consider just shipping them off somewhere or God forbid, euthanizing them.
I thought you were a nice guy initially, when we began communicating some time ago. Since reading your posts in the forums, my opinion has changed drastically.
Talk about arrogant, self-centered, self-righteous and full of one's self.
Shame on you! | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:04:15 AM | yeah dellila thanks for helping me with the response on this, it shows some care, I don't ask for much in this world, all I want is a little caring girlfriend, as a companion , maybe she'd be on ODSP herself or disabled, that's fine because I do know When I do find a girl , she's going to have someone who really truly cares , also Steve you want your tax dollars back, ask the Ontario government why there are 4300 gov workers in the 100 grand a year Plus club that do****all , cept play golf and drink wine which they probably get free from the LCBO and dont get me started on Corporate Welfare In ontario which is even more disgusting than someone one ODSP
Corporate welfare does not create jobs and instead provides unfair competition as the government gets into the business of picking winners and losers. Here are a few examples of Ontario Corporate welfare in action:
1. The Public Accounts for 2007 show a payment of $55,061,011 to Ford Motor Company of Canada. Ford is cutting shifts in St. Thomas;
2. The Public Accounts for 2007 show a loan receivable to General Motors of Canada for $29,096,192. GM is reportedly cutting shifts in Oshawa;
3. Magna firms have received tens of millions of dollars in government aid while its CEOs, Donald Walker and Siegfried Wolf, each have received over $5 million making them two of Canada's best compensated executives, according to the Globe and Mail's Executive Compensation Report, 2006. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/11/2008 10:21:44 AM |
Wow Steve!
Yes, that is my real name.
I am stunned by your intolerance and downright disgust of people with disabilities receiving assistance.
I never stated I was against the disabled receiving assistance. I am against people abusing the program.
I really hope you never become disabled and require assitance, you have no idea what a struggle it is for some people that are unable to work.
How do you know I have no idea ???
I suppose in your world, if you ruled it, you might consider just shipping them off somewhere or God forbid, euthanizing them.
I suppose in your world, you would give anyone on ODSP a penthouse apartment in downtown Toronto, 50 000 dollars a year, and catering from the best restaurants in town.
I thought you were a nice guy initially, when we began communicating some time ago. Since reading your posts in the forums, my opinion has changed drastically.
Nice guy = spineless wimp
Talk about arrogant, self-centered, self-righteous and full of one's self.
Lets talk about it.
Shame on you!
No, shame on you.
I would love to respond more, but I have to hit the gym. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/11/2008 11:51:28 AM | but what you have to realize , maybe less than 1% of disabled actually scam the system
I know and have met over 200 ODSP's the last 20 years, all of them suffer hardships
and just don't have it in them to scam, too sick, etc most I've met on it are women | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 12:10:20 PM | To get on ODSP, one needs medical documentation of their condition(s) that make them unable to work. This thread is *not* about scammers, it's about dating and ODSP, if you want to rant about scammers, start your own thread.
Anyone who has a problem with the disabled wanting a better standard of living is a real prick, IMO. I challenge them to live on what the ODSP allowance is for six months and see if *you* can do it, then try to imagine having to live on that for the rest of your life. That amount for a single person with no dependents is max. $445 for shelter (rent plus heat and hydro if applicable) and $554 for everything else. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:13:08 PM | I have to agree in pointing out that this thread is not about the relatively few that defraud the system, rather the hardships and prejudices encountered by the overwhelming majority of those that are in legitimate need, as it applies when it comes to these singles and their dating prospects.
That is all that was meant by the one post explaining on how and why ODSP benefits are pro-rated or can even be completely canceled due to a potential SO's income. By virtue of this sliding scale, an ODSP recipient is then without the means to contribute either very little or perhaps even nothing at all financially toward a relationship. Rather they would be totally dependent on their SO providing every single dollar required to sustain a potential relationship lived under one roof.
Making inappropriate and sarcastic comments about 'penthouses and $50,00.00 yearly handouts' is non-conducive to the spirit of this thread, not to mention insulting and demeaning toward those who are seeking advice on how to overcome these obstacles.... and also sadly proves that having a big wallet does not equate or guarantee someone having a heart.
Be honest - how many people do you think are willing to provide for all the household expenses for two people entirely by themselves nowadays? I'd wager a bet Steve, that many wouldn't even consider progressing past merely dating someone in that situation, or even date them in the first place.
Hence the catch 22 in practically being predestined to remain single, or at the very best, possibly have an LTR, but highly unlikely to ever be able to live common-law or get married. It does not have anything to do with being single - by choice - but it is an incredibly prejudicial system that makes it almost mandatory to remain so.
Freedom of choice is a fundamental right that we are all supposed to have according to our Canadian Human Rights Act, the Charter of Rights And Freedoms and the Ontario Human Rights Code.
Which brings us full circle back to what this thread is about.....and also goes to prove that having a big wallet does not guarantee one has a big heart.
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:37:31 PM |
Making sarcastic comments about 'penthouses and $50,00.00 yearly handouts' is non-conducive to the spirit of this thread, not to mention insulting and demeaning toward those who are seeking advice on how to overcome these obstacles.... and also sadly proves that having a big wallet does not equate or guarantee having a heart.
I noticed you didn't mention that this was a sarcastic response to somebody who suggested that I probably would like to euthanize the disabled. That was a big insult to me but I guess it is ok to libel anyone that disagrees with your positions, including the politicians.
You wonder why you and your groups don't get anywhere with the politicians ?? I don't work for the Ontario government. I am not a member of the legislature. If I did and you pulled this I cannot get a date and nazi accusations, I wouldn't tolerate it and I would spend my time on something else. That is how OCAP operates. They get nowhere.
I don't know who you are referring to when you talk about this 'BIG wallet'. I am not rich so you cannot be talking about me.
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:56:16 PM | Well said, Hugs*n*Hisses.
Steve, care to take me up on my challenge? | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:57:01 PM | You're right Steve, I didn't mention that, but that does not mean I approve of that comment either.
My post was only aimed at attempting to clarify the unfortunately extremely limited chances a disabled person has when it comes to the possibility of setting up house with someone they love, or even finding someone who will look at them as a potential love interest in the first place.
As far as getting anywhere with politicians is concerned, maybe I will, maybe I won't, but at least I try. I have been actively involved for many years in trying to improve conditions for anyone who faces obstacles of any sort in life, whether it be with my time, my money, or both.
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Posted: 5/12/2008 11:07:17 AM | I am appalled by the prejudices the poor face. Those that "have" just don't get it. Should their lives change drastically one day through a series of unfortunate events, i.e. down-sizing, becoming disabled and unable to work, losing one's home and livelihood, whatever the individuals case may be... then and only then they just might get it. You have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes to understand.
You cannot reason with the self-righteous, the prejudiced, the unkind, it is a waste of energy. My friend experienced a life changing incident and the only thing she could do was apply for disability after all her options ran out. No more u.i., or job pension, its all gone. So where is one expected to turn? When they have worked hard all their lives , paid taxes and contributed, why should they be punished and forced to live below the poverty line? She had to use up all her personal assets that she worked hard for, before applying, she was not allowed to keep anything of value. She was forced into total poverty by the government to begin with, do to the loss of her job and yet they still sucked her dry right to the end. Now she has nothing.
I am not suggesting that these people be given fancy cars and oodles of money. What I am suggesting is that they be allowed to live more than hand to mouth, without all the restrictions and red tape that goes along with being on o.d.s.p.
Why shouldn't a person receiving benefits be able to afford better groceries or a somewhat nicer place to live, not a necessarily a penthouse as ridiculously suggested by someone. Why should they be forced to live in projects and rely on food banks? why shouldn't they have a little extra to go to a movie or out for a bite to eat with friends? Why should they have to stagnate, hidden from society and face intolerance?
"There but for the grace of God, go I."
Some people really need to take this to heart and become a little more compassionate. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/12/2008 1:23:14 PM | Hi all, just like clarify few things for you all. ODSPis not an act meaning not a law. Its only had one reading done ontario parliment, needs two more reading then onto the senate then back to parliment for final approval. So what does this mean ex. say drunk driving law has yet to become a law an act of parliment like ODSP. If a police officer pull you over an you where obviously drunk, the officer has regulation to follow, procedures another term in charging you, but when you attend crimal court for the charges the judge cannot convict you of drunk driving because its is not act in parliment, like I mention in the first few sentences. But of course we all know its is a law.
ODSP program still follow's or stands under the mental retardation act of 1983. Meaning that someone with mental problems cannot be denied hospital care.
To qualify for ODSP is that government of ontario is legally responsible for your well being not medically responsible.
Over 70% of the people receiving assistance from ODSP come from CPP canada pension plan that have not earn enough over the years through working get top up help with basic needs of living, drug card, dental and on from ODSP.
So yes the program was orginally for the mental retarded, but people of ontario realize that it was in-humane to institutionlize them, because they our people to.
So they created ODSP for these people to be able to live within the community and help them be more independant, instead of locking them up in mental hospital violating there charters of rights.
Why do I know this, my daughter is mentally retarded, she is 13 years of age, cannot walk or talk an is at a level of 2 year old. An yes she is beautiful and she daddy's little girl.
So the people that our abusing the system our the government employee's and the one's that came from CPP because the vast majority of them our medically disable not legally disable and that is simply the determation the ontario government makes in deciding if you qualify for ODSP. People from CPP automatically qualify because of finacial means.
So tell me all, so who is really getting screwed here.
So steve and other's, Yes I was born retarded, now tell me what is your excuse?.
I just wish people would do there home work. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/12/2008 1:27:19 PM | | OH ya , I notice my mis spelling and grammer, but I dont give a crap. Remember I was born this way, what your excuse. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/13/2008 5:39:26 PM | see , many people who would accept someone on ODSP to live in with , aren't going to be that rich themselves, most likely min wage workers, as demographics dictate that
low income men, seek low income women etc, no way would a ODSP recipient try to date a 50 grand a year successful person, I know a working spouse doesn't have to make much to affect a ODSP recipients income down to nothing ,making such a live in relationship impossible as who would want to carry 2 people on a crap job cause the other's ODSP is crapped out cause the working spouse makes not much more than odsp, also it's impossible
to also date and live with another ODSP recipient, due to being clawed back as a couple unit
which is where it gets really sad and tragic..... ODSP people don't have or want much in life,. they just want to accepted and be able to love someone . but these barriers make it impossible for most part, | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:10:56 PM |
working get top up help with basic needs of living, drug card, dental and on from ODSP.
Basic needs is dental ???
Did you know that there are a lot of working people that cannot afford to go to a dentist ? You may think everyone out there has insurance, but that is not true.
This drug card ? Who do you think pays for it ? I fully support people who cannot afford their drugs to stay alive to be subsidized. It is a benefit though.
Plus you have access to hospitals and doctors. Nobody going to ask you to pay a cent. | |
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