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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/13/2008 11:18:50 PM | It sounds like Cat Man Do has done his homework on useless government fundings. On a more general idea, how many government departments must spend the money left in their budget, whether they need to or not, in order to maintain the same allowance for the next term? It is no secret that so much of our tax money is being distributed among top executives in order to maintain an extreme luxurious life style (and so much of it is wasted). Government employees are allowed sick leaves and other such benefits (which I truly approve) but, the fact is that they must take time off with pay in order to use up those benefits. Although this is intended not to loose pay when being sick, how much of this is being used for extra vacation time.
That being said, even given the dental benefits and expensive medications that so many of them need and could never afford on their own, people on ODSP have to suffer so much already, I see no reason to condemn them from having some happiness with a soul mate. They still need to subsist as individuals. Besides, I don’t think it is relevant, but as mentioned here often, it is likely that an ODSP recipient will end up with someone with low income for varied reasons.
For sure, someone who has been active and paid into the system has earned the right to that little extra and, to a reasonable extent, should not be reduced to poverty when some misfortune happens to them and they can no longer work. In some cases, it may even reduce the possibility of someone to get back on their feet and off the system.
I have been involved in helping some challenged people on ODSP and it is priceless to feel the joy and gratitude for every opportunity given to them. I haven’t met anyone yet on ODSP who just want to sit back and take things for granted. Most of them would do anything to be able to live a normal life if they could. I have witnessed some achievements from people on ODSP that is greater than most of us could ever achieve given their disabilities and all the set-backs. I’d rather see my tax dollars being spent to help those people live at a level fit for a human being and feel their appreciation. As part of the human race, they also have the right to love and be loved, plus they have more of it to offer than so many people in a world that is way too materialistic.
As a conclusion based on what this thread was intended for, if I met the right person and she was on ODSP, I would not let her pass me by. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:18:27 AM | | To be fair, I agree to a certain point with Steve about the dental plan. So many hard working people cannot afford the dental care they need. I don’t know what ODSP covers for that. I think basic dental care is a necessity and should be covered by our Ontario Health Plan so that everyone could benefit from it. However, there should be a limit set on what is cosmetic and what is not. We do need our teeth to be able to eat proper food; that is not luxury. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/16/2008 2:40:47 PM | The ODSP dental coverage is not fancy. They pay for checkups, cleaning, fillings, extractions and I think root canals. Cosmetic dentistry is not covered. What they do cover, they pay the dentist a lot less than the normal fee is.
I agree that dental care should be part of what OHIP covers. So should eye examinations. I believe the govt. is going to bring in some sort of dental care plan for those who cannot afford it and have no coverage. In some areas, you can get free dental care, I know Toronto has at least one clinic that is free for those who cannot afford it. Or they used to, it's been 10 years since I've lived there.
It would be to the govt's advantage to provide dental care under OHIP as they would save money in the long run. If you can't eat properly because of your teeth, then that negatively affects your health, which OHIP will pay for in the long run. Also, things like tooth infections can impact your health. For example, for diabetics, the infection can affect blood sugar levels and make controlling the diabetes much harder. Uncontrolled blood sugar levels lead to complications and much more money spent on health care in the long term. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:12:47 PM | Sorry but Dating and the financial issue of ODSP should not be an issue. Just like owning your own business or just working for someone at minimum wage should not be an issue unless you are a woman looking for a Sugar Daddy or your Gigilo looking for some woman to support you. The reason for being on ODSP would need to be clarified but most people I have met who are on ODSP are very caring and great people who probably do more for others because of their situation than those who have the money to help the less fortunate among us. They are not losers, they are people in need. We send money all over the world to help strangers, why not help our fellow citizens. Hell, we help every new comer to Canada more than we help our own. I can't believe some people can be so narrow minded. Everyone deserves to be happy. If you find someone you really care about you will work the rest out. That's the love that everyone in here is talking about in their profiles and fishing for or so they say. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/17/2008 9:48:05 PM | Oh what the Duck !
I thought ODSP ment Ontario divison of sex providers !
Hell I could see an SP havin hard time finding a fulltime honest mate but not someone who's disabled ......................!! | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 6:20:27 AM | Terri Girl:
That was wonderfully stated.
HnH  | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 9:16:43 AM |
Sorry but Dating and the financial issue of ODSP should not be an issue. Just like owning your own business or just working for someone at minimum wage should not be an issue unless you are a woman looking for a Sugar Daddy or your Gigilo looking for some woman to support you.
It is a VALID issue for many people out there. Anyone who thinks love conquers all is very naive. Go check out this subject in the global forums if you don't believe me.
unless you are a woman looking for a Sugar Daddy or your Gigilo looking for some woman to support you.
Or maybe you are a man or woman who doesn't want to support the other person in living your lifestyle. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 10:16:28 AM | Yes... EVERYONE no matter their financial situation is valid in wanting and receiving love.
I had expressed in my first post that yes there are people on disability through no fault of their own and I respect that.
I know quite a few people who can work and who do under the table and are on ODSP because it's easier for them to wait for a cheque and live their days high or drunk than be active members of society.
Perhaps my view of ODSP and people on it is a bit jaded, and I have blinders on... but when I see how much of my taxes are taken off my cheque that I work 44 hours a week to get, it angers me when I think of the people abusing the system who don't need to be on it.
I'm not saying that those in here with the courage to write in here about being on ODSP are abusing the system. I'm sure you are all very wonderful people. You need to understand where those of us with our guard up are coming from. We are merely attempting to justify why we will or will not date someone on ODSP as was asked in the OP. Yet when you read an answer that you are not happy with you argue it. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 4:24:07 PM |
Perhaps my view of ODSP and people on it is a bit jaded, and I have blinders on... but when I see how much of my taxes are taken off my cheque that I work 44 hours a week to get, it angers me when I think of the people abusing the system who don't need to be on it.
I would bet that the vast majority of people on ODSP would gladly trade places with you in a New York Minute.
BTW, there are many non-visible disabilities. You can't tell by looking at someone if they are disabled or not. Also, just because someone may be able to work here and there does not mean they are capable of holding down a full-time job. How many employers do you think would be willling to hire/keep someone who would regularly call in sick because of a flare-up of their condition(s)? They may be able to work on their good days but not on their bad days. Most employers would not put up with that (calling in sick regularly). | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 6:16:50 PM | unreal some would worry about tax dollars paying for ODSP, money for this comes from everywhere, alcohol sales, cigarette taxes, ontario gambling etc, this is a rich fuckkin province surely it can afford the disabled , they should cut down on paying for immigrants
as they do nothing but drain everything, as we let way too many of them into ontario
they take up all the low income housing etc, many do anyway, also many end up on a more worse evil called OW Welfare... I still get the feeling many would wish the disabled would
simply vanish, yes we are shit, yes to many we are scum, too god damn bad we will always be here, spending your hard earned tax dollars on rent so some landlord can buy a BMW lol
if you worry about your pay cheque, try screaming about paying into EI which is ballooned
to 53 billion, in the black ... as many who pay into that never qualify to receive it
as a footnote, not one person Ive met on ODSP has a drinking problem, most do not smoke
cant afford it, and not one I've known has ever worked under the table, many cant even travel to a job let alone do one, illegal or otherwise ,too ill, too many problems, I'm sure the odd one may, but i doubt it, most are housebound, | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:09:58 PM |
unreal some would worry about tax dollars paying for ODSP, money for this comes from everywhere, alcohol sales, cigarette taxes, ontario gambling etc, this is a rich ****kin province surely it can afford the disabled , they should cut down on paying for immigrants
as they do nothing but drain everything, as we let way too many of them into ontario
they take up all the low income housing etc, many do anyway, also many end up on a more worse evil called OW Welfare... I still get the feeling many would wish the disabled would
simply vanish, yes we are shit, yes to many we are scum, too god damn bad we will always be here, spending your hard earned tax dollars on rent so some landlord can buy a BMW lol
My dad was a landlord. Did you know he had no internet in his house ? If he wanted to be on the internet, he walked to the local library and he was no young guy. I doubt you are posting at your local library.
Do you have cable or satellite TV ? My dad didn't have that either. I cannot stand watching TV so I do without it too. I would rather put the money towards buying my new Cadillac Escalade PU truck. Just kidding.........if you knew me, you would know I would NEVER buy any of those show off vehicles.
As I stated in my first post, if they are giving you enough money to have a decent place to live and good food to eat, I think that is fair. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:33:47 PM | | I have internet , for free, as I borrow with a (neighbours permission) his account I don't eat well, or very good, I have no tv just antenna for 2 channels, which wont work after 2009, not that I care , I live in a small place trust me ODSP is no picnic, I live a meager existence, it isn't fun or by choice , even a movie at a theater is out of the budget, despite all this , I'm optimistic | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 8:49:30 PM | | The ODSP is a program set up by the Ont govern. to help disabled people.As in any program set up by the govern. most adhere to it, some will take advantage, and some will feel guilty they receive anything from the govnt. This is a product of most govn't programs.For those truly disabled, what they are offering is a joke.Its not just the money but its the mentallity of being disabled.That in itself causes more pain then anyone not disabled can imagine.Anyone griping here will not change a thing, We just have to live with it | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 8:51:24 PM | Firmbear, that was priceless ......
Thank you hugs*n*kisses, just one opionion among many.
It is a VALID issue for many people out there. Anyone who thinks love conquers all is very naive. Go check out this subject in the global forums if you don't believe me.
I'm sorry Steve but I don't think in this day and age where there are still people in need and countries at war we believe in that old clique "love conquers all". I think who ever stated that was either drunk or high on something". I also don't believe everything I read but I do believe everything I have experienced. And I unfortunately experienced ODSP and I was so lucky that I still found love at that time.
Or maybe you are a man or woman who doesn't want to support the other person in living your lifestyle.
I agree, if you don't want to support someone to help them live YOUR lifestyle that is up to you and a dissission only you can make. But please, don't say its because they are on ODSP. That is sad.
Perhaps my view of ODSP and people on it is a bit jaded, and I have blinders on... but when I see how much of my taxes are taken off my cheque that I work 44 hours a week to get, it angers me when I think of the people abusing the system who don't need to be on it.
Diggy, your taxes don't go to people on ODSP, they go on improving roads so you can go to work, shopping, home, holidays. They go to education for your children and even if you don't have children, they go to pay for repairs of the city and towns sewage systems, water water systems, garbage pick-up and mail delivery services. They go for all the sorts of things that we as Canadian's feel we deserve to make our lives better. I still pay school taxes for children that are now married with kids of their own and my parents still pay school taxes when all their kids are over 40. Taxes are a curse we all endure ..... don't bundle all people on ODSP in one pile, most have worked 1/2 their lives and have contributed much to our society and still do.
We are merely attempting to justify why we will or will not date someone on ODSP as was asked in the OP. Yet when you read an answer that you are not happy with you argue it.
I don't think anyone is arguing, people merely stating their own personal views and opinions. It happen's everywhere in the forums, chat rooms and blogs. People ask a question, other's answer and the next thing you know we have a debat going .... lol.
Now to end this for me because I believe enough was said on this subject and all of it very interesting please remember that most people on ODSP are honest, caring people and most of them are comfortable with their lives and do not want someone to support them, they want someone to love them for who they are not what they can afford. If I thought truths in here would not already predjudice more people about the disabled I would give you the true government facts on how they treat people with disablilities butt I think this particular thread has done more harm than good.
God Bless and Good Luck in what ever you are looking for in your life at this time. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/18/2008 11:38:00 PM | | Steve, what the hell makes you think any of this is about you. Do you think the world owes you something? If so, come join the ODSP party, the water is GREAT. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:38:56 AM |
Steve, what the hell makes you think any of this is about you. Do you think the world owes you something? If so, come join the ODSP party, the water is GREAT.
The original topic was WOULD YOU DATE ANYBODY ON ODSP ?
It was a person on ODSP who turned it into a political discussion. He slammed the people of this province because they won't give him more money. If you want ODSP to be universal, which means no matter what your personal situation is (cohabitation, inheritance etc), you get it, then that means more money taken from the taxpayer.
I decided to speak up. It is my money. I am owed an explanation at least. It doesn't mean I am going to agree with you. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/19/2008 8:05:56 AM | | yeah I wanna slew it back to dating, so any women on here wanna hang with me, Im a cheap date lol | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/19/2008 3:41:13 PM | Ya know I'm on ODSP, but I'm hardly ever broke, I make money anyway I can as long as it's not dirty money. I'll be less broke now that I'm quitting smoking !
Besides I've got plans to eventually get off ODSP, return to school, get a pardon and as I served as a former Reserve Soldier and Volunteer Medic, I can start a career with the Corps of Commisionaires and maybe have a small pension when I'm 65. I have no desire to stay on ODSP much longer than a year, or 2.
Ya know people who are shallow enough to judge a persons worth on thier pocketbooks, instead of their merits and personality are truely missing out on some of the kindest, most helpful and honest people out there. I know cause I am one of those people !
Nothing ventured, nothing gained !
Don't be a fool and stay cool people !
Paul | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/22/2008 10:32:21 AM | Okay folks:
I have cerebral palsy in my left side. In my early 20's I was on what today is called ODSP but I was placed in a category where I had to work to get a cheqiue so I was sent to a fortune 500 company to work for free and inreturn the government would goive me a maintenance allowance and medical as well as dental coverage. At the end of 6 months of this garbage my worker asked the company to hire me and they said no because te company had to "downsize" but they would gladly take another client of Social Services if there was one qualified for the job.
I make more money now that I am not on social assistance. I believe if you can work you should work but at that time I was having trouble finding a job I could physically do. I was determined to make my life better. I told my worker I did not want the government to support me as soon as I found a part-time job. I worked very hard and at various times in my life could barely afford prescription drugs and could not afford to go see a dentist. Yet I had that when the tax payers were supporting me. To me that is backwards!!!!
I currently do not have medical or dental benefits through my current employer but I do have some money saved and must pay for prescription drugs and dental visits. The key is I work for what I have.
I have no probblems with people on some form od disability or welfare if they are not abusing it and are on it for legit reasons. While it is okay to also want to date I know dating was te furthest thing from my mind in my younger days.
I was a supporter and believer in Mike Harris and later when I lived in Alberta for a few years Ralph Klien. Governments must think of the well being of society as a whole not just one segment of the population. Tax payers can nt afford large increases in taxes if you are in need acept what governments give you. Also look at what is best for society. If you want a better standard of living work for it. I have to work to go see a movie and some month's I can't afford it. Why should those why rely on tax dollars to live have luxuries I can't afford? They have medical benefits...would you like to switch? Iknow I would not. I would love medical coverage but I make due with what I have. My quality of life is better now but would I have worked as hard if I did not have to? Maybe.
As far as dating goes if it is so tough financially why are you considering dating? It does not make sense. Look at how our courts award spousal and child support....maybe people shy away from dating those on social assistance becayse they do not want to be financially responsible for them later in life.
If you can work hard you should. If you can't...go to food banks, and be happy you live in Canada and be appy with what you have and thank your luck that you are not homeless.
Another question: Do any of you notice how tge NDP and their socialistic ideas have not been elected in a long time? There is a reason for that....the people want a government that is financially responsible not a government that gives out money and causes taxes to go up.
Tese programs do come from our tax dollars you know.
Would I date someone on ODSP? Maybe if I could see they were a quality person with some ambition. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/22/2008 9:06:07 PM | I would bet that the vast majority of people on ODSP would gladly trade places with you in a New York Minute.
*sticks hand up* Pick me Pick me!
I've been following this thread for a while now and I think in the beginning I might of even made a post in this thread.
Also, just because someone may be able to work here and there does not mean they are capable of holding down a full-time job. How many employers do you think would be willling to hire/keep someone who would regularly call in sick because of a flare-up of their condition(s)? They may be able to work on their good days but not on their bad days. Most employers would not put up with that (calling in sick regularly).
You make a very important point here. Yes there are people who have disabilities or illnesses where they have good days and bad days and on the bad days they might not be able to go into work. It might happen regularily and yes there will be a cost associated with that that an employer might try to avoid but not hiring a prospective employee. That's only fair because they're in the business to make money. On the other hand, and this is my experience, employers just assume that my disability will have an negative affect on the business and the workplace due to increased absenteeism, accessibility issues , insurance or healthcare premiums, assuming I'm fortunate enough to find a job with medical and dental benefits etc. I know it's politically incorrect and would be cause for me go to The Human Rights Commission because they asked me about my disability, but in the long run we'd all be better off because it would start a dialog and would enable the employer and I to come to an understanding and workout any issues that may arise. If we found that my disability did have a negative effect or we had issues that we couldn't work out then I'd be more than happy to give the job to someone else who could do the job, knowing that I'd been given a fair and honest chance to prove myself. Thats all I want is a chance and I don't think that's askin' too much.
ODSP is a double edged sword. To a very limited extent it allows a person to exist with some degree of comfort because their basic needs are covered. On the other hand once you're on it it's very difficult to get off it because there are so many restrictions and conditions that a person must abide by. You're allowed to make $160/mth before any money is taken off your chegue and then it's 50 cents for every dollar earned. With what I make a month on ODSP if you were to divide it by 40(40hr work week) I'm getting less than $5/hr. I understand the rules are there to prevent abuse but it's all run by a computer that has no common sense. I won't get into it here but I've been put in a tight spot more than a few times because the computer couldn't think for itself and then phone me and say 'Hey I need you to call the office to clear something up' before my cheque was withheld for some reason and then I have to meet with a caseworker and go through a procedure of gettin' back on the system.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's very hard to establish any sort of financial stability once you're on the system unless you find that dream job that's going to last you the rest of your working life with full benefits and you can get off the system for good. Having said that I'm not lookin' for someone to take care of me and pay my way 'cause I'm very good at stretching a dollar. Again I'm askin' for a chance, the chance to say 'Sorry I can't go out tonight' or 'How about we do something at home tonight' instead of someone assuming that because I'm on ODSP I need someone to financially support me.
I had this conversation with my mom the other day. My parents raised me with the attitude that my 'chair was not an excuse for me to not have to contribute to society in some way. As a result I'm volunteering about 20hrs a week with a local therapeutic riding program. I have a passion for horses and I'm enjoying sharing it with others but I'm there to work and contribute something to society.
I hope this doesn't come off as some whiny poor poor pitiful me lecture. As I said at the beginning I've been following the thread for a while and trying to compose my thoughts so that they'd make sense to those readin' this post. If you need me to clear anything up please do not hesitate to contact me personally. I would be very happy to discuss this further.
As a post script I am working with a local employment agency that was hired by the ODSP Employment Supports Programme and that has been going on for several months now. It should also be noted that this is not the first time I've worked with an agency either. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/23/2008 9:18:30 AM | | So if life is so rough on ODSP...Why are you trying to date? | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/23/2008 1:07:37 PM | | ^^^What has life being rough on ODSP have to do with trying to date? People in tough financial spots can't date? Dating is only for the well off? Good grief. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/23/2008 6:52:03 PM | You should have your life in order before dating....when I have had tough times financialy I did not date!!!!
If you can't afford to date then don't...unless you are looking for someome to support you.
People on social assistance have more pressing issues other than dating!!!
Yes anyone can try dating...but what does someone on ODSP bring to the table?
I hate it when the "have nots" complain about wanting a better life. My tax dollars are paying your bills!!!!
See my previous post if you are on OSDP be thankful you are not homeless if you want a beter life ask a family member to support you financially. If you want to date then be prepared to ne asked what you do for a living and be prepared for many not to want to date you. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/23/2008 7:15:04 PM |
You should have your life in order before dating
I agree with Johne. I include people who have issues besides lack of money too. | |
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| Dating and ODSP
Posted: 5/23/2008 8:17:18 PM | Oh God, isn't this a loaded forum! I have so many mixed feelings about it.
My ex received WSIB and Canada Pension. Alas, he could not work. However, the guy could go hunting, fishing, ride 4 wheelers. I knew while we were married that he was capable of a day job, the same as me. However, he had anger issues. No boss in their right mind would keep him on and they didn't when he worked. I have seen folks get out to do the daily grind with physical impairments, yet they still worked. I felt really guilty even though I was not the one on a disability pension. I see young kids on benefits as they have young children. Apparently it is the "in" thing to do these days with young ones. Just get preganant and you can get welfare. I look at these poor wee babes born into a lifestyle of poverty. God! I think the entire system needs to be revamped to be quite honest. Having said that? I donot mind our system helping those who truly cannot work and require assistance. And for those who have said that if you are on a disabillity and you shouldn't date? Get a grip! We are all entitled to love! | |
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