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 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 26
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 2/23/2007 4:53:54 PM
Tony...
It would take millions of years of travel
(Travel as you know it maybe).

Well Tony all I can say to this:
I don't believe in either ghosts or ETs!


you have never lived with me lol...

I will also take the words of Astronauts (third party)...you ever been in a shuttle...I haven't. I'm just believing what I have heard.

I also believe in God (haven't seen him) I believe in the Devil (don't want to see him) I believe in Jesus (can't wait to see him)!

I also believe in Einstein but I never met him...and since you quoted him have you? Are you sure he existed or was he made up...after all I'm quite sure you have never seen him...unless you are a ghost or an alien...hmmmmm...

I like your post's Tony...makes my marbles roll around in my head more...BTW my oldest daughter's name is Toni.
 suesouthern

Joined: 11/8/2006
Msg: 27
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 2/23/2007 5:17:06 PM
After seeing the movie "White Noise", I went to the EVP website where they have examples of recordings from some who passed. You should look into it. I grant you, it will make even a non-believer get goose bumps!
 thinga

Joined: 10/2/2006
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:21:38 PM
Girlysmiles,
Although I don't really see whether or not I've ever met Einstein has anything to do with this conversation, I mentioned him because some people have the mistaken impression that his theory of relativity implies time travel, which it emphatically does not.
I, too, believe in God, Jesus, and Satan, but again, not sure how that's germane to the discussion.
Have I ever been in a space shuttle? No, I haven't, but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe in alien beings just because an astronaut or two THINKS he may have seen/heard/talked to/had sex with one.
And no, it's not just "travel as I know it," it's travel, period. Covering distance is still covering distance, in spite of Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, etc. No matter how you slice it, the nearest planets to us are millions of light-years away, and since nothing can travel faster than light, that means that nothing can get HERE from THERE in less than many millions of years.
Ok, I'm watching a TV show right now, so I'll get back to you with more later. Class dismissed! See ya!
Tony
 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 29
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Posted: 2/23/2007 5:49:08 PM
Oh so sorry Thinga...thought you were from Missouri...that's the "show me" state...figured I'd through a few things in that nobody can "show" you...it's just things you have either experienced or you have not...not trying to make a beliver out of ya...lol.

BTW there may be some forms of travel that we know zilch about...some may even be secrets...lol. Sorta like you get better gas mileage with the hybrids...maybe we have "something" on another galaxy that has figured it out.
 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 30
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 2/23/2007 5:51:34 PM
Oh yea BTW my brother worked for NASA most of his life, I can't/won't reveal his position. But suffice it to say he met more then one or two astronauts.
 burkeclass

Joined: 12/30/2004
Msg: 31
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 2/23/2007 6:01:02 PM
ben franklin said
don`t belive anything you hear and only half of what you see
well i know i saw the strangest lights on the ground here at my house
and watched them lift off without any sound whats so ever
so i can only belive only half of it
i either saw them on the ground or i saw them take off
awh what the hell
i saw it all

burke
 Guardian 7

Joined: 10/14/2005
Msg: 32
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Posted: 2/28/2007 5:31:38 PM
Don't be afraid or ashamed to tell everyone of your beliefs. Trust me when I say there are other worlds ( and you would be surprised to know just how many ) that habor intelligent life far more advanced than that of our own...

In a time not to far into the future all humanity will know the truth that the goverments of the whole world have been trying to supress for years. The time is drawing near when all those who laughed at Capt. Kirk & Mr. Spock will get a reality check, shall we say,OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!..........................Guardian
 BoatTrash

Joined: 2/17/2007
Msg: 33
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Posted: 2/28/2007 5:59:13 PM
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

(One never knows, does one?)
 joaldeja

Joined: 1/30/2007
Msg: 34
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 2/28/2007 6:11:32 PM
Ghosts here - they have moved things in my parents house -
 _blu_

Joined: 2/5/2007
Msg: 35
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 3/1/2007 10:10:21 AM

Even the old testament of the Bible talks of Supernatural Beings that were here and chose to mate with the women, creating a supernatural race; giants.


What you are referring to are angels that mated with mortal women, thus the creation of giants (Rephaim). They were the progeny of mortal women and Nephalim (fallen angels). Please refer to the following for further info (also passages from the Bible).



Rephaim, or Giants:
Subdued by Chedorlaomer
(Genesis 14:5)

Dwelt in Canaan
(Joshua 17:15)

Og the king of Bashan was of
(Joshua 13:12)

THE VALLEY OF

A border of Judah
(Joshua 15:8)
Was exceedingly fruitful
(Isaiah 17:5)
David obtained victories over the Philistines in
(2 Samuel 5:18,25)

The last of, destroyed by David and his warriors
(1 Samuel 17:4,49,50; 2 Samuel 21:15-22)


For Christians who FIRMLY believe what the Bible teaches and or states, the existence of "aliens" is simply ludicrous. If the existence of aliens is ever fully proven, the results of that would be catastrophic for the billions that believe in one God and what the Bible has to teach.

The below is something that I found when researching the word "nephalim", and offers another perspective (not mine).




Who were the Nephalim?

Gen. 6:1-4

Concerning the Nephilim: this is a time when it's important to
know Hebrew and I'd suggest any and everyone to try and learn it if
at all possible (same goes for Greek). When reading this passage in
Hebrew it makes perfect sense. The word “nephil” means "giant". The
masculine plural form is “nephilim”. All masculine plurals in Hebrew
end in “im” (pronounced "eem").

Were there giants in ancient days? Yes there were. We know of Goliath in 1 Sam 17. But here's the misunderstanding. We often think of giants in the way of the giant from say "Jack and the bean stalk.” Some humanoid form the size of a small skyscraper, or some other medieval conception. This was not what a giant was. Goliath was by most estimates nine feet tall. This term would include some of our NBA players of today, although they'd
be a little short. There are some new excavations that have verified the existence of these "giants.”
Not far from our base in Sardinia in Italy they have uncovered tombs that are over nine feet in length. This place is called "The Tomb of the Giants." The tribe of Philistines from this area are called the "Shardana". This very well may have been where Goliath was from. The Philistines prior to that were from farther north. We do know they were Caucasian and blue eyed (originally probably Nordic). We can tell from the bones and the pigmentation of ones skin. From their paintings of themselves we see the color of their eyes. The Philistines that settled in Israel were mostly in the Gaza area. Today you will see, from time to time, Palestinians from that area who still have the blue eyes and that is from when the Philistines mixed with the Arab populace centuries ago.

What happens with Genesis 6 is some will see the term "sons of G-d" and interpret that as meaning spirit beings. This is in no way true. The sons of G-d simply mean righteous men. We see Jesus use this same term in a very well known passage but those propagating
a "super human race" haven't connected the dots. You may remember this passage in Mt 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called what??? The sons of God!!! If the sons of G-d are some super human race who has faded out, then what does this mean?
That they have come back? LOL No, it means righteous men. So, what happened here in Genesis 6?

Well, back in the ancient days of Noah when there were still groups or tribes of large people who were around 12 feet tall, there were some righteous men who fell and began marrying these women even though they were not girls who followed G-d and they had families with these women and they themselves turned their back on G-d. That's it. Nothing more then that. We know that spirits cannot have sex with people! The Bible says in Matt 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. So angles do not marry or reproduce, there's no need for them to. There are no "baby angels"! Demons are fallen angels (angel means, "messenger" in Greek) so they too don't have reproductive organs. So the idea that demons were having sex with women is simply ridicules.
The Bible is full of wonders, so we don't need to look for anything more fantastic then it
already is. There's no super-human race unless of course you add some of the members of the NBA.

If anyone is interested in who the Philistines were, I will soon be posting this and more information on this site. It's quite a study.
I will be posting pictures from some of the digs I've been on in Israel and some of the Philistine artifacts I've found there and in other places such as in Europe etc.

Shalom in Yeshua,

Rabbi Stanley


The internet is remarkable. Do some research. Please keep in mind that anything you find may or may not be accurate. Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish. Keep an open mind, but a bit of skepticism serves well too.
 skunk12pu

Joined: 1/28/2006
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Posted: 3/2/2007 6:26:50 PM
I believe in Aliens & Ghosts.....We wouldn't have SPACE GHOST with out them...LOL!
Good Grief!
Skunk
 Kyn269

Joined: 11/7/2006
Msg: 37
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Posted: 3/3/2007 3:34:49 AM
Very interesting information Blu,

I myself tend to go do research when there is something I don't understand, this does make a lot of sense... If you will send me the link, I would like to read more about it myself...

I don't believe in aliens, I do believe in God, Jesus, Angels and The Holy Ghost... not sure If I can say I believe in the others because I have never encountered one...

Kyn
 more2methanthat

Joined: 12/22/2006
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Posted: 3/3/2007 7:00:55 AM
My analytical mind says that I do not believe in aliens...and ghosts...
But my spiritual being says that there are other entities on this planet and in other galaxies...I know in my heart that there is a whole nother world out there somewhere...that most mortals have yet to tap into or acknowledge...
I believe that is a spiritual world that is existent around us...and sometimes it "bleeds" over into the here and now...and if it manifests itself into the form of a ghost...or an apparition of some sort...then I consider it to be an honor to have come into contact with such being...
whether it presents itself in an "evil" or uplifting manner...is due to the energy that such beings exited the here and now...ie: unfinished business. When such forms show themselves to a particular person or in a certain location they are seeking to resolve such issues...for their soul to be at rest...
Call me a fruitcake...but I am entitled to my very own beliefs...and I do not step lightly out of fear of the spiritual world between good and evil...
More2Me
 nwfl_redneck

Joined: 11/19/2006
Msg: 39
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Posted: 3/3/2007 10:10:55 AM
More2Me.....Of all the posts so far, your beliefs are the closest to my own on the spiritual aspect, but I was raised in the AZ desert, and have seen some things myself that make me lean towards the possibility of existence on other planets. I also lived in Las Vegas for 5 years, and have seen Area 51, from afar, many times. The U.S. Government doesn't spend billions to hide it for nothing.

Just another fruitcake??
 _blu_

Joined: 2/5/2007
Msg: 40
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Posted: 3/5/2007 6:11:24 AM
There should NEVER be any criticism given to a person that believes one way or another. For Christians, their unwavering FAITH is what allows them to sleep well at night knowing that when they die, they will experience the presence of God. Do we know for a FACT that God exists? No, only FAITH dictates that He exists. Of course, the arguement could be made that we see Him everday we open our eyes-- be it in the face of smiling child or a budding flower in the yard (the biggest would be the rainbow). On the other hand, the existence of other sentient beings can be argued to be a truth as well. Same for apparitions. One truly must keep an open mind when it comes to these matters. I believe in God, but I also believe that a being as all-powerful as He is could have created other beings in other places. Our minds have become inured to the idea that WE are the only ones in existence of all that is around us. It is entirely possible that God has granted us the knowledge to engage in space travel in order for us to learn form something else? Maybe He is merely a cosmic scientist, and our planet is merely the product of experimentation after the other planets proved to be inhospitable to human life. Maybe the theologists have it right and everyone else is wrong. We only know for sure when we die. Until then, my mind is open to the POSSIBILITIES, and until seen with my own two eyes, that is all they will be. God exists because I have FAITH He exists, and that is good enough for me.

cheers~~

KYN-- go to ask.com and do a search for "nephalim" and "rephaim". You will get quite a few links thru that.
 andigogo

Joined: 2/15/2007
Msg: 41
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 3/5/2007 6:38:08 AM
each to there own
im a believer in ghosts because ive seen a few
scary as hell but im pleased i have seen for myself
like they say seeing is believing
 thinga

Joined: 10/2/2006
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Posted: 3/5/2007 5:25:52 PM
Blu, it's my understanding of Hebrews 9:25-26 and 10:10 and 10:12-14 that helps seal the deal on my disbelief in extra-terrestrial beings. Even without these Biblical verses, I would never have believed in extra-terrestrial VISITORS, but these passages from the Bible make it impossible for me to believe that there are other intelligent beings anywhere else in the universe.
As I've posted before, inter-galactic travel would take MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of years, so in my humble opinion, that rules out visitors from other planets. Why? Because, out of the literally thousands of tests to try to disprove the validity of the "theory" of relativity, NONE have ever succeeded, not one! And one of the "laws" contained in the General Theory of Relativity is that nothing travels faster than light. And since the nearest planets are millions of light-years away...well, you can see where I'm going with this.
Also, more and more astronomers, cosmologists, astro-physicists, biochemists, geologists, physicists, etc. are coming around to the Intelligent Design idea. Why? Because they're beginning to understand just how fine-tuned the universe is in order to support life. They've identified over 30 different parameters that are balanced on a razor's edge to support life. And I mean fine-tuning to a degree simply unattainable by humans. In just one of those parameters, the odds against life forming are something like 1 in 10 -160. (That is, 1 in 10 to the 160th power! Sorry, but I didn't know how to type that). So, life may not be as common in the universe as many of you have been led to believe. What God has done on this planet appears to be totally unique.
Back to why I believe that the biblical verses cited above mean that God created intelligent life in only one place - Earth. If He had created intelligent life elsewhere, wouldn't He have offered a way to salvation? And if Jesus' crucifiction was ONCE FOR ALL, then that would mean that all intelligent life elsewhere would be forever doomed, lost to sin, with no way of salvation. The God I believe in wouldn't do that...
Anyway, there's my two cents worth! Hope at least some of this makes sense!
Tony

P.S. If you get a chance, pick up a copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for A Creator" and Hugh Ross' "The Creator and the Comos". Very interesting reading.
 _blu_

Joined: 2/5/2007
Msg: 43
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Posted: 3/6/2007 6:02:54 AM
TONY:: Good arguement, and you won't get a rebuttal from me. I was merely pointing out "possibilities". I am by no means a scientist, nor am I a theologist. I draw from what I have learned in church and from my own interpretations of what I have read in the Bible. Faith is the only thing that keeps me from "buying into the possibilities" that I mentioned. And, as stated, until I SEE a ghost or alien, they will continue to be merely "possibilities" for me.

Now, ask me if I believe in angels and demons, and my answer will be different.

I like your style of discourse. You should post a few topics for discussion.

cheers~~
 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 44
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Posted: 3/6/2007 11:46:54 AM

God created intelligent life in only one place - Earth.

thinga/tony

I'm still searching for that intelligent life...

I've lived my life in this order: God-Family-Country...I've lost one...no it's not God.
I'm nothing but a grain of sand, no...tinier then a grain of sand in God's eternity and how would I begin to think that I could "know" that he has made just one of "Us" "The Earth"...I wouldn't for a millisecond begin to believe I could "Know" what God means when His word is spoken...it has been argued for millennium's.

Remember that the Bible is:

1. Old Testament=History of the Jewish People
2. New Testament=History of Jesus and what is to come. (Which the Jewish people do not believe in nor is it in their teachings...they think the Messiah is yet to come). Oh my don't get me started on the different religions...I believe Religion is mans idea and Christianity God's.
Christianity:Noun (A monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior)

Keeping that in mind and also remember that God's word in the Bible is written in red...would you still say the same if you read those chapters again Tony?
 thinga

Joined: 10/2/2006
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Posted: 3/6/2007 9:06:46 PM

Keeping that in mind and also remember that God's word in the Bible is written in red...would you still say the same if you read those chapters again Tony?
- girlysmiles
Yes I would girlysmiles, 'cause I believe the ENTIRE Bible is the inspired Word of God, not just the parts I like/agree with. And remember Girly, not ALL of God's Words are written in red - none of God's Words in the Old Testament are written in red...
Tony <
 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 46
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Posted: 3/7/2007 2:45:22 AM

none of God's Words in the Old Testament are written in red...
Tony


That's a whole new topic Tony...guess it depends on which Bible you have???

Now back to ET
 2findU

Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 3/7/2007 3:34:43 PM
Not at all. Only in the movies. I do believe life can exist on other worlds in this infinite universe. I just don't believe we have alien visitations. The universe is just too big.
 jewelescent

Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 48
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Posted: 3/10/2007 12:01:12 PM
i dunno, i believe in them but ive never encountered any. If i do, i will have to live in a mental hospital for the rest of my life. I dont know how people dont get scared when they encounter things like that.
 BigDaddy9295

Joined: 5/25/2006
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Posted: 3/10/2007 12:08:55 PM
I believe in both aliens and ghosts. My dad and grandparents are ghosts, and my kids are aliens!
 girlysmiles

Joined: 1/19/2007
Msg: 50
Aliens & Ghost,Do you believe?
Posted: 3/10/2007 3:11:52 PM

I believe in both aliens and ghosts. My dad and grandparents are ghosts, and my kids are aliens!


BigDaddy...I'm laughing so hard if I didn't live in the loonie boonies, I'd be in a nice padded all white room....TY much NEEDED laugh!

I know they switched my kids at birth...only problem is they look like their respective dads...

Maybe we should make them returnable...everything else is...
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