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Posted: 2/13/2007 12:03:19 PM | I think it's limiting to define creativity in terms of just the arts... a scientist may need to think outside the box in order to came at a problem from a new angle... a politician may need to find a creative piece of diplomacy to help two parties find a middle ground... a teacher may need to take an alternate approach in order to connect with a difficult student... all of which are a kind of creativity.
My skills lie in the visual arts... do I seek out other people with those skills? Of course. Who doesn't like to talk shop with people who share their interests?
Would I shy away from connecting with someone who wasn't creative in the same ways that I am? I certainly hope not. There's still the potential for common ground in other areas. My artistic side is a huge part of who I am... what I do for a living, what consumes my free time... but I think you can share that with someone even if they don't have the same kind of relationship to it. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2007 5:39:52 PM | "artistic types as they tend to be more passionate and imaginative as well as experimental"
No, actually I am not an "artistic type" and I am definately passionate, imaginative and experimental. As a matter of fact those that know me would describe me just that way. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2007 8:22:46 PM |
I have run into the cold, pretentious, insensitive and unreceptive individuals, in many industries. That is not exclusive to the artistic community.
Those are insecure individuals that see others as a threat, or challenge to their abilities.
YEP! I couldn't agree more. In fact I'll try and define it a little further.
An ARTIST NEEDS to paint/create/write. Its an absolute NEED. And they more often than not wont recognise their own talents nor care what someone else thinks, or whether anyone even does! The creation is all that matters. Its just how we express what we see.
A learned craftsman (or woman) who has studied a particular form or art as a means to either wealth or recognition somehow...certainly has acquired skills...but the purpose of creating is somewhat different.
Try to see one person who just ....sat at a piano and played...made MUSIC at age 3, and then had some formal training to hone the talent.
Another person who was sent to piano lessons for 8 years and can play technically brilliantly but......can they make the music fly? Can they render notes into passions? Can they pick up a tune and play it in such a way that it makes you weep?
The second individual has worked long and hard. Has been studious. Deserves recognition and holds out his/her achievements.
The first guy/gal is sitting in baggy shorts and bare feet letting the music ripple over his/her fingers and only sees the tuition as something that helped him master that trill. A mere tool in the journey of creating.
A chorus singer will often brag of being in that production and the EGO can be seen from far off. Competition is rife in the ranks you know. In the ranks.... Those who hold the belief that by knocking someone else out...they are somehow seen more.
That could be in itself an acknowledgement of mediocrity and the knowledge they will never hold that centre place....that place where no longer they have to scream LOOK AT ME! I'm over here third row, 6th in from the right! lol
Don't take their reactions to heart. Just try and understand where they are coming from and be gentle with them.
If that doesn't work. Take a breath. Close eyes. Picture a glorious sunrise. Then completely ignore them and do your OWN thing :) Well do that anyway! lol
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Posted: 2/14/2007 8:27:59 AM | | I think everyone has an art, a gift if you will. Mine is caring for the elderly. Caring is my art. It will also be my history. One day, when I have those that have cared for me in this life gathered around to say their Goodbyes, my epitaph will be, I believe, "She cared" | |
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Posted: 2/20/2007 9:57:48 PM | I dont think I have really had alot of relationships with guys who were as creative or artist as me. Maybe I found someone who was a bit different than me more appealing because then you focus more on different parts of life and can learn different things from them.... But the relationships never worked out, so maybe something is said about that and I have been going for the wrong types. I always felt like I was appriciated, and almost admired by someone who isnt into art, but they also were not as understanding or wanted or needed the same things. We had good times and bad times, and there were times I thought it might last, but then eventually I decided we were way to different and it was too stressfull to work past our differences.
The again maybe being with someone that has something like art in commen can be a little difficult if you are comparing yourselves to one another all the time, and I think you would expect more out of each other to be more original and creative and that could get competitive or frustrating. Either that or it could be very benefical if you work together and inspire each other.
I guess it really depends on the people and what else they have in common. People that tend to be creative and into art are usually more complexed and that is only part of their lives and they have alot of other interests, and different desires.
I cant really say which one is better right now, but in the past I have seemed to choose someone more different than me so maybe its time to find someone more like me?? lol maybe thats why I havent before because im pretty intense sometimes and that could either be a really good or bad thing...
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Posted: 2/25/2007 7:07:51 PM |
As a group, Artists are generally moody, self centered, domineering and prone to bouts of hysterical egotistical fanaticism.
Guess that's why I've never been much of a "groupie".
I've always been attracted to people with high intelligence. And as for creative or artisitic types, the ones that do anything real for me are the ones with "heart". To me, the core of art is straight from the heart, and a "felt" thing.
I am deaf, but generally do not hang out or associate much with other deaf; there is too much difference in our cultures, education or styles. I have exhibited art work and toured nationally with some of the most well known Deaf artists in America and internationally, yet I find I have very little in common with them.
I enjoy challenge and opportunities to grow personally and intellectually, and those who can do that for me are the ones I'm attracted to. And it doesn't have to be a romantic attraction. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 7:13:22 PM | | I've been with many uncreative women and my thinking is that they just don't understand me so I stick to women that are more creatively talented . | |
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Posted: 2/25/2007 7:17:22 PM | I used to seek out other artistic/creative people when I was learning how to quilt, I joined quilt guilds, got inspiration from other quilters and, hopefully, provided inspiration for some of them.
Now, 15 years later, I go my own way artistically. My sister and I share our progress on our quilting, her husband shows me his watercolors. We offer each other constructive criticism and help.
The only difference that I find between my artistic and non-artistic friends is that the latter cannot understand my need to create. They may or may not appreciate what my end results are. It doesn't matter because I am happy with my artistic side.
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Posted: 3/2/2007 7:37:01 AM |
I think everyone has an art, a gift if you will. Mine is caring for the elderly. Caring is my art. I think that amost everyone has a "talent". I don't think that every talent fits the definition of an art.
A great athlete is talented, but that talent is not an "art", at least not by the definition of "art" that this thread was about.
Caring for people is certainly a telent that should be respected.
But if creative people do indeed seek out relationships with other creative people, then think they're looking for people who's talents are similar to their own.
If a poet believes that only other poets, (or perhaps writers or artists) can understand him/her. Then they likely wouldn't expect a mechanic to understand them... even though the mechanic does have a talent. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 12:17:02 PM |
Did you feel that you were able to rlate to them?
I'm not going to say if I'm artistic or not...I know what I like and what I enjoy and what I find artistic.
I saw this thread and remembered a girl I dated in college. She was a Psych major and I was an Engineering major.
She had plenty of free time and I didn't. I encouraged her to go out and have fun with her friends while my head was in a book.
She used to get upset that I was spending so much time studying.
The point:
I think it is important for people to have some understanding of the effort and work that there S.O. puts into their life, whether it's art, music, writing, profession, study...etc
Usually when I date a woman who is either in school or starting her career, I'll at least look and learn a little bit about what field she's interested in. It's usually enough so that when they start talking about it, I can at least keep up with the conversation or ask better questions. At the very least I'll learn something more than a guess.
If she has a hobby, I'll learn about that too. It makes gift giving less of a headache and I have a pretty good idea what to get her on those occassions. So far I haven't gotten any complaints yet.
So far, the women have always been thankful and grateful that I've taken an interest in what they are dedicating their time to...but it's usually been a one way street...oh well...I know what I put my time into is probably pretty boring...or it could be that I'm not a big fan of talking about work/career/plans until things are in motion or are completed.
I don't want to come off as an "I'm gonna" type person and would rather be an "I've done it" type of person | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 12:30:52 PM | | It really depends.Ive been playing music since I was 7 years old and that is pretty much my life to this day.Ive dated women who are extremely talented to women who dont really have a talent but are open minded and fairly creative.Just depends on chemistry.Sometimes your opposite can be the one you end up with. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 12:59:01 PM | I do love art, i draw and paint as a hobby, a way of relaxing. I find it helps me focus or sometimes take me to other places.
I love visiting art galleries, looking at other artists work. I think it would be lovely to have someone who would be happy to share this kind of thing, discuss art etc. Its an important part of my life and id like someone who would understand that. My ex although very talanted musicaly never appriciated art of any other kind but his own (heavy metal guitar, yes that is art too) and was rather set in his ways over the kind of music he listened to, wasnt prepared to listen to or see anything a little more experimental. When it comes to art visual or musical i like to go beyond the barriers, take things that one step further out of the ordinary or comfort zone. To really appriciate art (IMO) you need to open your mind to new things.
From experience iv found that most arty people seem to be more imaginative. And well i just find arty people rather sexy. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 2:38:40 PM | As a theatrical actor, I always find it much easier to get along with creative types: there's much more to talk about, much more we agree on, and it's a very comfortable relationship. Non-creative types are not necessarily too different from me, but different from me in such a way that it often makes it hard to even put up with their idiosyncrases, let alone try and love them.
I don't rule out the possibility of a non-creative person, (opposites attract?) but I'm pretty sure an artist would be a better choice for me. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 2:55:16 PM | Creative people are right brain. Logical people are left brain.
Two creative people = creativity, nicely decorated home, bills piled up on the table.
Logical people = order, sparse home, no art work, all bills paid and bank account balanced.
Creative + Logical = Nice home, bills paid, regular vacations, diner plans, cute kids, cool economical car.
Opposites attract!
It's the whole yin yang thing.
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Posted: 3/2/2007 4:15:02 PM |
Creative + Logical
Only one problem with that. Lots of very logical people are very creative. I know I tend to be more logical than an emotional feeler. I can say I find myself attracted to feely type guys quite often despite not being a very feely type girl. Its like they nurture this part of me I don't pay as much attention to as I should. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 5:10:06 PM | I don't have a tendency either way.
I will, however, say that it's really irritating when you're expected to perform.
Most of what I used to write on paper (I've been less on paper and more in my head lately, but it's coming back) was poetry, though I have interest in writing a novel.
My ex used to bug me about writing a poem for her. She wanted me to express my love for her through the art. I've never written a love poem... it's not my style... it was very frustrating to be pushed to do something that I'm not sure I'm artistically capable of.
When I'm pushed to do things artistically it makes doing anything at all very difficult. The writing become stagnant, forced, and ultimately not worth a damn.
Maybe dating someone creative would lessen this, but I think that anyone with patience and understanding would be ok with me... it's just a matter of learning a person's quarks and being able to accept what they like and don't like. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 5:16:13 PM |
When I'm pushed to do things artistically it makes doing anything at all very difficult.
Nods..
I hate that or they want to participate somehow. When I do create/paint, I tend to work on things solitary but then you get the odd monkey see monkey do. I find it distracting.
I also have to be inspired to create. Its hard to be inspired when you are dealing with someone who thinks inspiration can come as quick as you can say inspiration. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 5:21:52 PM | This is an interesting subject. I have both a business side and an artistic side. I know I am
often inside my head thinking of words, metaphors, phrases, and also the perfect light for a perfect photograph. I respond deeply to lyrics in music. I do however like diverse people with a business side, it's a good balance.
Those I find difficult to be around are those who seem devoid of passion (not just talking sexual passion) but devoid of curosity and interest in life or any passionate hobby. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 8:43:24 PM | LPB-
The ex also suggested (to the point if irritation) that we write a story together. I've been stressed out enough that I've been having a hard time getting the novel in my head out, but that really bothered me.
I was going to start last summer... I didn't have classes so I was going to write with my extra time. Every day she'd come home and ask if I'd worked on the novel.... she made it feel like work and nothing got done, then she got irritated that I hadn't done more work for my actual job if I wasn't going to write the novel.
Looking back on it, I probably should have stood up for myself a bit more.... but yeah... the whole "wanting to participate" thing isn't that great for me.
I miss the relationship... but I feel somewhat like something I lost is coming back to me... I just don't know how to harness it yet. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 12:07:40 AM | I think this is a great thread. I love to write and plan to devote all my time to it when I retire. Creative people really excite me, but I don't know if I would want to live with one. In my fantasy land it would work out beautifully ala "American Dreamer". However, in real life I wonder if I don't benefit from having an anchor in my life. I feel like I have the opportunity to be more creative with someone who appreciates it but doesn't "get it".
I'll have to think some more about this. Great questions.
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Posted: 3/3/2007 4:40:38 AM | As long as they're wiling to let me work with the door closed until I'm ready to talk about a new piece I'm happy.
Stephen King has a really good section on this in his book "On Writing." (Which is delightful, by the way.) | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 7:37:28 AM | The best relationship I was ever in was with an "artistic" person. The worst one was with someone who thought "Art" was just a guys name.....
I'm not implying anyone has to start cutting off an ear to date me, but it's certainly something that has a certain relevance to being happy together. Creative people, in whatever domain they enjoy, are just passionate about seeing things in new ways. That's never a bad thing, in my opinion. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 8:32:50 AM | What is creativity? Is it a good thing or a pathology? The answer is: is relative. And it appears to be important in slowing the aging of the human brain.
The study in the September 2006 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology says the brains of creative people appear to be more open to incoming stimuli from the surrounding environment. Other people's brains might shut out this same information through a process called "latent inhibition" - defined as an animal's unconscious capacity to ignore stimuli that experience has shown are irrelevant to its needs. Through psychological testing, the researchers showed that creative individuals are much more likely to have low levels of latent inhibition.
"This means that creative individuals remain in contact with the extra information constantly streaming in from the environment," says co-author and University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson. "The normal person classifies an object, and then forgets about it, even though that object is much more complex and interesting than he or she thinks. The creative person, by contrast, is always open to new possibilities."
Previously, scientists have associated failure to screen out stimuli with psychosis. However, Peterson and his co-researchers at Harvard University hypothesized that it might also contribute to original thinking, especially when combined with high IQ. They administered tests of latent inhibition to Harvard undergraduates. Those classified as eminent creative achievers - participants under age 21 who reported unusually high scores in a single area of creative achievement - were seven times more likely to have low latent inhibition scores.
The authors hypothesize that latent inhibition may be positive when combined with high intelligence and good working memory - the capacity to think about many things at once - but negative otherwise. Peterson states: "If you are open to new information, new ideas, you better be able to intelligently and carefully edit and choose. If you have 50 ideas, only two or three are likely to be good. You have to be able to discriminate or you'll get swamped."
"Scientists have wondered for a long time why madness and creativity seem linked," says Carson. "It appears likely that low levels of latent inhibition and exceptional flexibility in thought might predispose to mental illness under some conditions and to creative accomplishment under others."
We know that creativity is facet of the brain. Its genetic basis isn't understood - yet.
Participation in the Arts stimulates creative expression and latent creative ability in the brain.
http://www.dana.org/pdf/other/creativityandaging.pdf
When the brain has a relatively normal blood suppy, and activity promotion and 'breaking' ability (can turn off stimulatory chemical processes, a normal push/pull action in the brain), creativity and its practice can do something very important in the brain:
It can stimulate healing. Thats aging damage repair, or brain cell maintenance. Its a natural cellular process that slowly degrades over time - in the unstimulated brain.
Stimulating creative processes also stimulates neurological cell repair, a process that mostly occurs nightly while we sleep.
Creative expression, and its enjoyment by participation (being creative or enjoying it as viewer or listener) is health promoting, for mental wellbeing - and physical health. It helps to 'reset' and maintain the autonomic system, the automatic control of heartbeat, blood pressure and endocrine function. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 8:35:55 AM | I think artistic and creative people search for people who are passionate about life in general. The type where you look into their eyes or read their words and feel what they're saying -- the types that have a strong desire to live and learn because they feel the same way.
Somebody earlier mentioned that the artistic and creative types are sensitive. I agree. They see the beauty of the world ...life, people, nature, love ... They open themselves up to a world of vulnerability that the non-creatives may fear to do all in the name of free spirit and love. That said, I don't think they look for artistic mates but rather someone who sees the beauty of life in all of its imperfections. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2007 10:50:20 AM | @Sombient interesting post.
The most naturally creative guy I know is also unstable mentally. The same can be said though for some of the most intelligent guys I know though. The things they say are usually right....just their suggestions to deal with the issues are usually too extreme.
I talked with a friend about this a long time ago. Even when you are the type who is far more open to possibilities, there is like this dark area you just don't go to. When you start investigating possibilities there, it can be very disturbing to see problems, know there are solutions, and realizing that no one will listen to you because most don't have the vision to see it nor care even. Even if you are correct, people would treat you like a crackpot for even focusing on it.
When I've heard people go to that darkside, they can sound obsessed and overwhelmed with the information they are receiving. I ventured into that thought once for several weeks and found that you make so many discoveries and connections,...some are wonderful and some are very depressing. I felt if I stayed there too long, I'd self-destruct mentally and disconnect socially. Just kind of letting myself go there though was a life changing experience but it took awhile to get back to 'normal'. I don't want to risk sanity for the sake of discovery.
It can sometimes feel like you are living in a "Matrix", just a self-induced one. There are times though when ignorance truly can be like bliss.
I don't know if this will even make sense to anyone. | |
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