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Posted: 4/7/2007 10:06:29 PM | yes, I had trouble explaining why I would stay up all night in the same position working on a painting.. to a non artist, they just dont get it... or why we dont want to watch TV, or cant pull ourselves away from a project to "be" with them.. so an artist knows exactly why you have to do that project.
So it is easier, and I feel one artist appreciates another persons's art... creativity and style and there is just nothing worse than hearing from someone that is a non artist.. that they dont like or get what you are working on.. opinion... unasked for....
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Posted: 4/7/2007 10:18:56 PM | jannick, you are the one that painted "artistic" people as moon howlers and toilet painters... so back off !!!!!
and what could it take but muscles to do a massage?
Stick with your logical friends and please stay far away from the artistic people... you will just be made fun of...
Your post was dumb and then you defended it...so better not try to think that hard... just use your hands and some rocks and go rub someone that is logical..
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Posted: 4/7/2007 10:38:03 PM | Nick said "I think that a key issue in relationships between people in creative professions (and their non-traditional work models) and people in traditional 9-5++ "physically demanding" jobs, is that many of the latter fail to see "work"/effort which is not based on traditional notions of what consistitutes (in their minds) "work" or "hard work", thus creating the potential for rifts in the relationship."
Boy does this ring true. I haven't worked in a while, but when I was working on a project, at a certain stage, I ate, slept and breathed it, in my mind, wherever I was. I couldwalk by someone, respond to a question, smile, and never remember I had spoken to them. It spooked people when they realized. Others just didn't get it. Some actually got jealous and did what ever they could to 'snap me out of it'. Weird.
I like artists as friends. They are comfy because they understand. But that doesn't mean they aren't practical. They have to be to survive. Just not all the time LOL.
As for a relationship, opposites attract. I want someone who is grounded in this world-solid-practical-the way I am when I am not creating/dreaming, (and truly alive) But they better have a sense of humour, because I know I will drive them crazy. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 11:34:25 AM |
Nick said "I think that a key issue in relationships between people in creative professions (and their non-traditional work models) and people in traditional 9-5++ "physically demanding" jobs, is that many of the latter fail to see "work"/effort which is not based on traditional notions of what consistitutes (in their minds) "work" or "hard work", thus creating the potential for rifts in the relationship."
So true.
So, what you do is invite them over and make them do what you do to the best of their abilities. Have them imitate your process. Gauranteed they won't make it, the sheer 'tedium' for them will have them screaming from frustration.
I wrote a complete song from scratch using a language called midi. This is like making a dress from scratch, no patterns, nothing premade, from 'scratch'. That was really taxing.
If anyone accuses me of being lazy who comes from a physical point, I'll just accuse them of the same "you know what, I think you're mentally weak, I don't think you could handle the kind of thinking I do, you're not strong enough". | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 12:08:35 PM | Hi, whilst I would fall into your category of artistic people, in my opinion everyone is artistic. You've been eloquent and expressive in your point of view - isn't that artistic/creative? ...... and in answer to your questions: No, Yes, No.
Doesn't matter whether you consider yourself artistic or not..... if you don't get on it's going nowhere. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 7:53:52 AM | Artistic people:
Do you intentionally seek out other artistic/creative people?
Have you had relationships with artistic and/or non-artisic people? and did you notice a difference in compatability between the two?
Hi! Wow... Great question! I have discovered that, as an artist, I'm mostly attracted to other artists (of various types, though mainly musicians.) All of my mates/serious relationships have always been musical and artists (involved in various forms of expression, not only one.) Intelligence, spirituality, honesty and compassion also have to be their top qualities, however! Just being an artist does not necessarily attract me to someone...it has to be the whole package...attraction physically, mentally, spiritually. It wasn't a conscious or intensional thing, in the past...seeking other creative people but I always ended up with them....we were drawn together so powerfully and have the strongest connections. In recent years, as I've come to understand what I desire in my mate/s, it has become intentional...seeking my creative soulmates. I'm open to meeting other types of people though I always find there is little in common with noncreative folks and conversation falls flat...quickly. Common ground is obviously important and for me, chemistry seems to be found in a passion for creativity, music and Art. Just the way it is!
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Posted: 4/10/2007 8:03:59 PM | You've been eloquent and expressive in your point of view - isn't that artistic/creative? yes....
but not to the same extent that a talented painter, musician, or poet is artistic/creative
As some other posters have mentioned throughout the thread, perhaps everyone may be creative or artistic to some extent.
But I was really wondering about the people who's creativity or artistry is central to their lives, and how they relate to others.
We may all be slightly creative, but that does that mean that we'd all be able to relate to a talented artist who's life revolves around their art?
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Posted: 4/10/2007 8:30:43 PM |
As some other posters have mentioned throughout the thread, perhaps everyone may be creative or artistic to some extent.
But I was really wondering about the people who's creativity or artistry is central to their lives, and how they relate to others.
We may all be slightly creative, but that does that mean that we'd all be able to relate to a talented artist who's life revolves around their art?
I haven't read every post in this thread, but I think it's an interesting question, and one I've struggled with my entire life--although I have usually keep a foot in the real world in terms of "real" jobs when needed, etc. I am an artist (musician/writer) first and foremost and my life choices around this have been absolutely unfathomable to a couple of my past partners who were not artistically inclined--not to mention family, co-workers... I gave up long ago trying to make people understand that I'm driven to do whatever artistic project strikes my fancy--even though it takes the entirety of my time and, sometimes, resources--my friends (who are all artistic types) understand my motivations and support my projects...
...and why was I with these people? That's something I think about fairly often as well--opposites attract--perhaps they were attracted to the bohemian in me--maybe they'd like to be more like that; I sometimes want to be more traditionally stable and I admire that sometimes... but ultimately, it's oil and water and I haven't found a happy medium. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:59:59 PM |
Do people who are artistically talented, tend to seek out relationships with other artistic people?
Probably not. There was a paper that came out about a year ago (I think) that showed people select as a mate somebody that has attributes they don't have for the reason that their offspring will tend to be somewhere in the middle and closer to the societal norm. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 10:46:35 PM | | i'm not creative. creative people scare me. things are fine the way they are. creative people disrupt the equalibrium. that's not good. we need not tamper with the fabric of the universe. our lives hang in the balance. creative people are a threat to us, each and every one. you're either with us or you're with the creative people. the administration is drafting a zero-tolerance-for-creativity bill as we speak.... | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 11:47:30 AM |
you're either with us or you're with the creative people. the administration is drafting a zero-tolerance-for-creativity bill as we speak....
I don't know... that sounds pretty creative to me... | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 12:00:15 PM | Creative people have such fecking huge tempremental egos it makes me sick.......not least because their work is shite compared to mine...... 
Bottomline: You will a lot more in common with SOME artistic folk.....others just produce dross...(oops being subjective again)......
Seriously......do 'us creative' folk really think that bricklayers go around finding other bricklayers.......i bloody hope not.
NOPE....give me a woman who sky dives or is a ships captain anyday...or a chef...or housewife...or miliner...or dancer...or coffee maker.....of McDonalds employee.....give me ANYTHING as long as she has.......................SOUL  | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 12:38:26 PM | Hey...I have no idea who you are....but if you know your stuff I bow to your superior knowledge......NOT
I didn't say money equals ignorance.......go back to basics and read your art history. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:59:46 PM |
creative people scare me. things are fine the way they are. creative people disrupt the equalibrium. that's not good. should we still be living in caves, killing anyone who attempts radical change, such as discovering fire, or walking upright???? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 9:33:14 PM | Great question!
Being, myself, an artistic/creative people, I do quite often seek out like-minded people to hang out with. I've had relationships with both artsy fartsies and "normies," people without an artistic bone in their body, with varying results. There are hundreds of stereotypes that can be thrown around right now, but for me personally, the best relationship I had was with someone who wasn't very prolificly creative, but had an appreciation for and in-depth knowledge of the arts. We could still relate and talked often about all sorts of artsy things, went to galleries, concerts, book releases. It was a good situation because she didn't feel lost when I started working on projects and I didn't feel like she was an idiot or being apathetic when I got excited by an exhibit at the MOMA.
On the other end of the spectrum, I went out with a very, very art-oriented girl for a while that turned out to be disasterous because she became extremely emotionally dependent (beyond normal into unheathily so) and insecure, requiring my approval on everything creative she did or she would throw it out. That got to be a chore and a difficult situation to get out of.
I guess my point is that, while I do look for people who share my interests, it doesn't always mean we'll be compatible. A willingness to try new things and be open to new experiences can be as good as knowing all the nuances of Picasso's Blue Period or how to wire a homemade smoke detector. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:20:57 AM | If truth be told I like girls who have an INTEREST in the arts but don't create....why? Well it gives me a chance to show them new things and find out their opinions.
On the flip side it also means they can show me about the things they do which is always interesting.
If I have another 'art' discussion with an art person its ok, but its like when chefs get together and feed each other...........there is ALWAYS a sub-text. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 4:29:05 AM | i love having someone as a co-creator, more or less...someone to bounce ideas around with.
but i can't stand 'yes-men.' these people can't stop complimenting my work. i don't need that. i need someone who can dig deep and challenge me to go beyond what i envision. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2007 10:01:38 PM | I am a creative individual. I enjoy most anything to do with colour (watercolours especially), poetry, music (I play guitar and used to play coffee houses back in the day)
creative cooking is also a hobby of mine. I tend to work solo...party with opposites..more gregarious then myself and gravitate to very challenging men...
for the stimulus to create...
not deliberately. This is the pattern.
One day I may find a balance. Which causes some anxiety...I have a fear of losing my creativity...so I seek this destructive stuff to create... stupid I know!!!
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Posted: 4/17/2007 4:28:52 AM | I play an instrument, and play in a community band. I am the President of the organization, and also run another organization that promotes community music to the Houston metropolitan area...most "normal" people don't understand the passion I have for music, or the passion I have for the two organizations I am in. So, I usually don't date them. But, I have found a few people who are still supportive, even though they really don't know anything about what I do. But, to answer your question, out of my 30 years on this planet, I've dated 2 non-music people. Neither worked out, obviously. I tend to stick with other music/artistic nerds... | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 4:44:05 AM | artistic soul attracts another artistic soul. my tool is photo camera and there is always some musician around me. drumers guitarsts singers.. all of the mare bit..es but wat can i do. can stop falling in love:) | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 6:40:58 AM | | I have an art background (mostly interior design and oil painting). I really love being with other creative people but when it comes to a relationship I would rather be with a more left brained individual. I guess it is for the sake of balance. Life is more than art and has a practical side to it too which I sometimes don't care to deal with. I feel more "grounded" with a non-artistic person provided he is supportive and interested in what I do. If he tries to discourage me - forget it. Being an artist is a very difficult life. There is the constant struggle with money, people telling you to get "a real job" and depressive moods. But my art is what holds me together. It comforts me in a way no human being can. It is what I turn to when I am alone. It oftentimes brings praise and encouragment from people when they see my work. That can be a real high. And yes, creative people are definitely independent thinkers as well as social activists. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 7:23:00 AM | people telling you to get "a real job"
That is indeed a great problem in relationships of people in creative activities/work with non 9-5 (or in reality 9-8 jobs). I seriously think that it is this workstyle/lifestyle difference that makes rels difficult. As well as that "puritan work ethic" logic re what a "real job" is!
PS. Creative and a-typical work schedule jobs are not necessarily related to Art per se! Eg a business person can have a creative content and atypical work hours workstyle (eg a strategu consultant). Or an investigative journalist. Let's face it, some people do not like people who a) enjoy their work b) do not fit the mold. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 8:22:15 AM |
people in creative activities/work with non 9-5 (or in reality 9-8 jobs). I seriously think that it is this workstyle/lifestyle difference that makes rels difficult. I guess working hours is related to the thread topic.
I can see how a self-employed person, practicing their art for a living, would lead a differently scheduled life than a 9-5er
However, "work schedule" can be a totally seperate topic. As it applies to many other walks of life.
a-typical work schedule jobs are not necessarily related to Art per se! Exactly.
I'm not creative. Yet I'm self-employed without a "normal 9 to work schedule".
Also, when I started this thread, I wasn't just thinking of self-employed artists and writers, who make careers of their artistry.
I was also thinking of the people with regular 9-5 jobs, who's painting, or poetry is the hobby they do, in their spare non-working time. There's many more of these "hobby artists" or "hobby writers" in the world, than there is people pursing it as full-time careers. | |
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