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Posted: 4/17/2007 1:06:20 PM | I cannot know what the OP had in mind when writing the OP. All I have to go with is the OP.
My point simply put is that people who are creative for a living have work hours as well as "what is real work" mentality "conflicts" of thinking with those who do not.
Of course not all self employed - people are "creative" or "artistic" but creative and artistic people usually are. Inspiration based and intelectual work in general falls outside the typical work and living formats, hence these are premises for incompatibility in typical relationships with others, IMO and experience. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 5:55:47 PM | ^^^^
I do know what the Op had in mind when the thread was started.
I do understand your point about conflicting ideas of work, between the self employed artist, and the mainstream society. It is a good point, and would be a factor in these people's relationship.
However, it only applies to the self-employed artists, who are making a living off their art.
It won't apply to the majority of people who could be classed as artistic or creative.
Contrary to your insistence: the majority of creative/artistic people are not full-time self employed in their art.
Re-reading the first few pages of this thread, and checking the profiles of those who responded that they consider themselves "artistic" and/or "creative"; I did notice a couple of people listed their art as their career. But they were in the minority. Among the many artistic/creative people responding, I see "Internet Service Provider", "Medical research ", "Education", "customer service ", "Engineer", "carpenter", "Consultant", "social worker".
These all seem like mainstream, "9-5 type" careers to me, despite the fact that the people described themselves as artistic.
The reason I'm pointing it out is, in my life, I don't personally know many artistic people who are fulltime employed at their art (in fact: almost nobody)(I know such people exist, I likely just don't meet many due to where I live).
But I do know of several people who have other careers; yet they have art as a hobby, passtime, or a sideline. These people are all creative or artistic, but they do have the mainstream 9-5 lifestyle.
Interestingly, if I were to have a relationship a person such as that: they'd likely be the one with the 9-5 job, while I'm the self employed one, without regular hours, and who's lifestyle is aso my career. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 7:25:28 PM | I merely wish to point out again the perspective that creativity is or can be a key characteristic not only in art related jobs or activities or even hobbies, but even in many "business" activities. Eg marketing consultant, innovation consultant, strategist, entrepreneur, as well as writer/analyst, philosopher, poet, etc. All these activities do not fit the typical work model not only in terms of hours worked but also productivity! It is no surprise that people who are accustomed to a "protestant/puritan work ethic" of hard/manual (and even "executive") work consider many of these activities "not real work" (because many cannot grasp its modelities, eg the process of coming up with a new idea, be it artistic, marketing, strategic, scientific, etc). That brings up compatability problems in rels, in my experience. That's all!
Edit: Msg 206: "I guess I consider that to be a type of creativity".
I agree! | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 7:35:10 PM | As a former musician I found that I had a tendancy to date actresses (or those aspiring to be). I don't know why that is other than just due to availability.
What I'm attracted to more than anything is a woman who is a free thinker. Someone who can form her own opinions; doesn't always follow the crowd. I guess I consider that to be a type of creativity. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 8:12:58 PM | | People and arts.... artistic ones , give you the freedom to do whatever and when ever you want to, as long as you leave them alone, ....only they ask for is some companionship. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 9:34:41 PM | Would it help or hinder the thread to suggest that "creativity" for the sake of arguement is any process which allows self expression?
Maybe that's too vague. Would the OP prefer to stay strictly within the classic sense of creativity as it pertains to the field of "fine arts"? | |
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Posted: 4/17/2007 10:47:42 PM |
Would it help or hinder the thread to suggest that "creativity" for the sake of arguement is any process which allows self expression? That's a good question.
Since there's no firm lines defining creativity, or artistry, I don't really think that using a broad definition of creativity, which includes all forms of expression, would hinder the thread.
If anything, if this thread includes all forms of expression it will allow more room for discussion.
This thread was really just a broad, vague, question anyway. When I started it, I figured there was no need to specifically ask about only painters, (or sculptors, or poets, or musicians, etc) since there's no real need for a seperate thread, asking repetitive questions about every type of artist, and recieving similar answers.
With one broad thread, there's wider variety of discussion. I do believe that there's similar, overlapping traits among all creative people. (Also some different traits among people with similar creative talents) Therefore a broad thread is likely suitable.
However if someone wants to start a more specific thread, regarding any one specific type of creative people, they may get more definite answers regarding that specific type of person???? | |
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Posted: 4/18/2007 12:15:32 PM | Well, creativitity is a broad thing, in my view of it. You can see that at work, where there are some people that will do the exact same job, in the exact same way, for decades. Other people will see things, and say "why not" ?
Some people find comfort in doing things one way, and others see it as a death sentence for the soul. Personally, the world we live in today demands the ability to constantly recreate oneself, as great changes occur faster and faster in society , as each decade passes.
I see that a bit as life today being, in a strange sense, art. 
Creative people , for me, tend to be more able to adapt in times such as we live in, in a much healthier way. Especially when it comes to relationships, creativity is one of the keys to keeping it fresh and interesting for both parties. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2007 12:46:06 PM | | I went to school for 4 years for art. Then ten years as a photographer and many more years as a multi instrument playing musician, When I was younger I also did a little acting. I don't need to be understood so much as I'ld rather understand you. Creative people can be endowed with a huge ego and two giant heads don't always fit well in the same house. For me it's a need to know what everyone else feels so I can record it somehow. I don't care who gets it. An artist does their thing for themselves because we have to. At the end of the day it's about the comfort someone can bring you. We want to share our feelings, or not, like everyone else and just want someone who can share theirs as well. Artists can be very passionate. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2007 4:16:20 PM | Ya, I really like this thread...good one. I am one of those "artistic people" ...and I
personally find myself attracted to other "like minded" people. I HAVE to have
SOMETHING in common with that person. Boring people like boring people, fun
people like fun people, vegetarians like the same. SOme things are just a MUST, and
sometimes you can find something in common other than just art. But I've always
been a free spirit... never wanted to conform. I have various talents,....and I found
more emerged as I got older. So, I am way more into it now. And ya, very artistic
people use another part of their brain....compared to non-artistic types. They are
very unique. It is a thing called talent. And some people have more than others....
or none at all, because they have'nt found it, or don't nourish it. Regardless, I have
had relationships with non artistic types, but I mostly enjoyed the ones who were the
same as me.....I feel more comfortable with musicians, as I am one. But..really I
don't like to be around men who just "work" and come home and do nothing, or we
don't have anything to talk about. ART is in the eye of the beholder.... it all depends
on how u see it ?? What is art to some people, is trash to others. What is trash to
some people..is art to someone else. But, we must'nt cloud our view....from a pre-
concieved notion. Be open minded.  | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:20:42 AM | as a artist myself even tho i get on with most people i feel that non artist types dont really get me ,, for me art is my life so it would be great to share my ideas with someone open mined
take care everyone
rich | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 8:14:48 AM | to get into the problems of a relationship with alternate creativity we will find that overly creative people have a tendancy to change therir ideas often. This confuses and frustrates lots of less creative people.
I have found my spiral opinions and ideas do cause misunderstandings and arguements when all I was really doing is thinking out loud.
My ex hung in there for 16 odd years and I couldn't believe how she did it with a smile most of the time. My projects were non commercial and unorganized spontaneous installations of juxtaposed objects that at times just look like junk. Design and taste in decorating clashed often with her not being able to spacially visualize things in her head and me unwilling to draft plans that would be in stone so to speak. I love spontaneous creativity and she needed more symetrical design. It did cause us to stop working together on our living space and that did aid in the destruction of our relationship.
I would not say she was uncreative == just focused differently. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 6:42:46 PM | Thorb, artists do not change their ideas often, I wish it was true.
The IDEA is what drives them... they may change the approch, the way to espress themselves, the mean to show the idea. If they did, they would create art every day.
Interior Design is not art... it has a program, you do something for someone else, not youself.
Art, is expression of feelings, it's obsession... not all have it. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 7:13:30 PM | I am 20 years old and have a degree in Media Arts, major in Photography.
I dont care if the person is creative or not however sometimes it is good to have some one the you can talk to about art musice and so on and they understand what your talking baout. But then again you can have other like minded people for that like friends. I think it is good to be with someone that has different intrests as an artist it is hard being with another artist spec in the same field because you do feel thretened by them like if you were two lawyers you will always be in compotition with each other and thats not healthy.
Its good to have a bit of varity in a relationship it makes it intresting and not so competitive. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 7:22:50 PM | I've had a hard time finding a creative woman with her head on straight or has any idea how to take care of herself and her business.
I'd love to be able to discuss, as my screenname suggests (lol), the philosophical attributes of classical/hip-hop fusion or something, but when the only ladies who would have any interest in the same are also PCP smokers, enjoy orgies, have been evicted numerous times, and kick puppies for fun, it becomes something I have to get flexible on. If I insisted on the certain criteria, I'd be doomed to lifelong bachelorhood, which is already a big enough risk just by my being a musician.
Now, at the opposite extreme, philistines and completely artistically apathetic people aren't that interesting to me either. *shrug* | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 12:48:08 AM | | I dont think so. I seem to attract many creative and artistic men and i love it! They have often as complicated mind and thoughts as I have and I like that. Men that have technical jobs often tend to be bad in expressing themselves... | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 1:00:46 AM | My tests at work told my employer that I am wired to mainly
use my left side of my brain yet I yield to the right....wonder what that
means. The right side is the artistic side....the left is about logic.
But reading about the right-side thinkers, it's not hard to imagine
why there's a lot of depression among that population. Everything seems
to be geared to emotions. It certainly explains why the creative people
don't fair as well as the non-creative.
LEFT BRAIN FUNCTIONS
uses logic
detail oriented
facts rule
words and language
present and past
math and science
can comprehend
knowing
acknowledges
order/pattern perception
knows object name
reality based
forms strategies
practical
safe
RIGHT BRAIN FUNCTIONS
uses feeling
"big picture" oriented
imagination rules
symbols and images
present and future
philosophy & religion
can "get it" (i.e. meaning)
believes
appreciates
spatial perception
knows object function
fantasy based
presents possibilities
impetuous
risk taking | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 7:11:08 AM | "My tests at work told my employer that I am wired to mainly
use my left side of my brain yet I yield to the right....wonder what that
means. "
Yeah I've done a couple of those tests and found out that I use both sides equally. I don't know what all of that really means other than it helps psychologists stay employed. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:01:42 AM | | What a great post. Personally I do tend to seek out & connect better with other creative minds in both my platonic friendships and intimate LTRs. When I think back on past relationships, the ones in which a man had creative endeavors were definitely infused with a passion that was missing in others. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 9:21:23 PM | Let's pretend I am artsy. Not an "artist". I don't like the term. Makes me feel pretentious, and that I'm obligated to prove it... and then balk from the pressure.
It's not about them being an "artist" for me. Sure, I say "art_sy_" in my profile, but not "art_ist".
I go for depth. You don't have to make works of art for a living to appreciate things creative, and to have your own sense of passionate expression. It's about having a sense of _feeling_. Some people appreciate creativity, but lack the ability to say so. Just as some people have very deep and complicated thoughts, but can't quite express things the way someone with inborn talent can.
These people aren't dull or stupid. They aren't artists or geniuses. But they _do_ have _depth_.
Admittedly though, give me a bashful benevolent brainy beauty of a Byron babe... and I'm golden
My last relationship wasn't with someone who was an "artist" so to speak, but she did appreciate the arts. She could play the piano nicely enough, and really appreciated my poetic talents.
I think it's more about finding someone who understands and appreciates you. An artist has a higher tendency to see things from outside the box, but that doesn't mean that someone who isn't, won't. And as a few other people said, it's also about balance, and finding someone who _complements_ you, not who _is_ you : P | |
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Posted: 5/15/2007 8:36:48 AM | I think humans are a lot more creative/artistic than they're being given credit for. But also, a lot of that is beat out of them by parents and teachers before it's given a chance to take hold. In my observation, a lot actually fear it in others -- as if saluting it would then make it necessary for them to do something on their own, a something which they know is there but which terrifies them.
Case in point: I was married to an electrical design engineer who, according to his peers, was an f'ing genius at what he did. I thought that was way cool, and told him so. What I got in return for my own writing and sculpting was derision.
So ya -- I do look for someone who actually understands the value of what I do. And it hasn't always been artist types. But more often than not it has been. And that's an easier way to go, than checking out the coal miner on the off chance that he'll be able to. . . . Interestingly, mathematicians and physicists do better than one might expect.
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Posted: 5/15/2007 9:20:32 AM | | Ok... I do a lot of creating in my job (drafting) and my spare time (painting & drawing) and it never seem to do me much good as far as starting a relationship. Maybe the artistic type's don't attract each other. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2007 9:44:24 AM | I am an author, artist, music conneseur... Lol. I try to find people who can appreciate what hard work writing, drawing, composing etc is. Rather than people who just look at it and say "Oh, thats cool." If I can find someone that is actually interested in what I do, if they can read my novel and say they really enjoyed such and such a part, that means alot more to me than "Oh you wrote a novel?! Thats amazing!!". Like, I know how much work it was... I would just like to see it go appreciated in my relationships rather than the person just taking it in stride.
Its a part of who I am, and if the person I'm seeing or dating is interested and is interactive with what I do, then that scores major bonus points in my book. They don't have to be artistic, just as long as they know how to appreciate works and books etc. I guess I err on the side of intellegence rather than flat out gorgeous looks  | |
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