| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 2:23:08 PM | By the way .....I would much prefer to be called a "honkey" or "cracker" or whatever racial slur that might be thrown my way....like some black comedians do with impunity.....and I've been called in various circumstances in the past. I'm not soft and sensitive...I actually think a bit of racial venting is a good thing . It's massive "legal" discrimination by my own government that I don't especially care for! | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:07:11 PM | You know Cedar, people like you bother me somewhat, now before you shout from the mountain top that I'm a RACIST or what ever the buzz word this month is......... I would still say the same thing no matter what the colour of one skin is.
People like you and the OP who have to use their ethnicity to justify what ever rejection you confront? Guess what folks, we don't live in Utopia, last time I checked Utopia was a town in upstate New York.
I cant stand it when any ethnic group makes racial jokes or slurs , did you read that? ANY ETHNIC GROUP, I don't like gender jokes either, I think there is no place for it, but thats my opinion.
Do you know how many times Ive been called the N word in my lifetime , even from black folks, and guess what?? personally I don't give a rat a$$, stupid people are just that stupid people and there opinions and views are just that .........stupid.
But to say the White person is being discriminated against from its own government?? how can i say this .................a epitome of ignorance perhaps?
OP, cant recall your profile name, either learn to handle rejection and stop using words like racism or what ever the buzz word this week or grow a thicker skin. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:26:35 PM | Cedar - what do you mean by
I actually think a bit of racial venting is a good thing
Do you mean venting as in "discussing" or venting as in "name calling"? | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:36:54 PM |
But to say the White person is being discriminated against from its own government?? how can i say this .................a epitome of ignorance perhaps?
Perhap's not...but thank's for asking..... First of all white people don't have "it's own government"....not by a long shot...it's all of our government.
Unfortunately our government discriminates agaist white male's on a massive level....now there are those who could justify this policy ....personally , I think discrimination is never good...especially when it is made "legal"..because that's taking something just plain wrong in to a quantum leap. Unfortunately this is not always the most covert discrimination ...since being passed over for a job is rarely detected...or not being accepted in a university ...etc. etc. .....but the socio economic effects are very real......and it definatley is "racism" ...no? | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:42:26 PM | Do you mean venting as in "discussing" or venting as in "name calling"? I think most people are very uncomfortable about this very touchy subject of "race" ...the culture has made this a very emotionally charged subject chock full of projected guilt and misunderstanding. I think that people bottle stuff up and are afraid to be honest and that is not a good thing . It can only be constructive to be sincere and open .....even if it mean's venting . | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:42:44 PM | It is a peculiar feeling being discriminated against but as a Westerner in Thailand it is actually institutionalised. The prices of many things here are much higher for Westerners than for the local population, sometimes ten times more expensive. Local men also have issues with us dating decent Thai women.
The trick is not to become a "victim". Just don't allow it to alter your life. If racist people see they haven't affected you then you turn the situation around as it annoys them so see you aren't affected. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:50:08 PM | Lord Stanley Lord Stanley bring me some brandy, The fact you can say that with a straight face is amazing? last time I checked the Leaders of our nation is caucasian, the Premier of our great province? the Bank of Canada Governor? RCMP chief, OPP chief it certainly isn't Dudley Running Bull? or Vladimir Krutov? or Latrell Jackson? lets see I wonder who the Royal bank of Canada CEO is , it isn't Chung Tam-Wong
Being passed over for a job happens to everyone white or black, so that crap doesn't fly with me, many deserving minorities with excellent grades gets passed over for IVY league schools, because 1) they don't have the money 2) they don t have the pedigree
I went to university based on my grades from High school, the career I wanted well it took a while but perseverance paid off, so please don't preach to me about discrimination. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 3:50:27 PM | I didn't become a "victim" ....and I do quit well for myself despite set backs. However I don't think it's a good idea to paint anyone a whiny "victim" just because they see injustice and would like to make thing's more just. White's are just as worthy of being treated fairly as anyone else is.....and any push for justice is a worthy cause. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 4:03:28 PM | Lord Stanley Lord Stanley bring me some brandy, The fact you can say that with a straight face is amazing? last time I checked the Leaders of our nation is caucasian, the Premier of our great province? the Bank of Canada Governor? RCMP chief, OPP chief it certainly isn't Dudley Running Bull? or Vladimir Krutov? or Latrell Jackson? lets see I wonder who the Royal bank of Canada CEO is , it isn't Chung Tam-Wong Try to keep it civil ... you come across as being a bit smug ....
Yes.. you state the obvious ,they are by far white male's.....but in the interest of social engineering they certainly don't protect the interests of white males.....quite the opposite. White people have no political interest group that works for our interests...no white group is organized to see to it that we don't get discriminated against....we have no race based representation ....other races certainly do !!! Can you imagine the furor if we did?....In fact it might just be illegal ...certainly "the media" would have a hay day painting it as radical and evil....that's how the system work's. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 4:22:35 PM | Smug??? alrighty then................and try to keep it civil? you don't think it is civil sport? The difference between you and I sport is I care for Canada, not just whats best for quote unquote my "race" I confront discrimination on all front, from minorities to sexism,gender bashing to homophobia, to me a Canadian is a Canadian NO MATTER THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN, I rather protect the interest of Canadians
Instead of saying "im protecting the interest of White Canada, Black Canada, French Canada, Native Canada"etc etc etc, form a coalition and discuss and do something about it | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 4:24:58 PM | Like some magical object in a fantasy novel, the idea of "affirmative action" has shape-shifted with chameleon-like facility over the past three decades. At first, the goal sought was equality under the law. This is the first and only legitimate use of this concept in a society founded upon justice, that is, the idea that the law should not take cognizance of someone's race, sex, color, etc., but should instead apply equally and impartially to all. Such a legal environment is built on the understanding that ethics and rights are based upon the individual; that a person is responsible only for the actions and subsequent effects which he personally initiates.
That admirable goal was, unfortunately, cast in clay rather than stone. Slowly, almost imperceptibly, "affirmative action" melted from a recognition of equality under the law to a desire for equality of opportunity. Even when the Federal government acceded to this transformation by enacting new regulations and laws, the champions of affirmative action remained dissatisfied.
With a malleability reminiscent of the reversal of meaning "liberalism" has undergone since the Nineteenth Century, "affirmative action" came to mean equality of results regardless of the objective reasons for any disparities in the economic conditions of our nation's citizens.
The latest twist on this verbal sleight-of-hand comes in the form of the previously mentioned "glass ceiling." Some feminists state that this "under-representation" of women at the most rarified heights of business is a result of conscious decisions and overt anti-women prejudice on the part of company CEO's, presidents, and boards of directors.
Other, somewhat more generous critics see the dearth of female business leaders as an inexorable result of subconscious prejudice: the psychological and cultural fallout of years of male domination in our society. In either case, once again the Siren call for Federal intervention to "correct" such "inequities" echoes across the political landscape.
Two points need to be made in regard to this situation.
The first fact is that to become the CEO or president of a major corporation means forsaking -- or at least subordinating -- nearly all other aspects of life to one's career. Such a level of responsibility along with its attendant financial success requires putting in seventy- or eighty-hour weeks; demands one's almost complete submersion in and dedication to overseeing both the short-term and long-run needs of the business one manages; and results in the loss of time available to spend with family or in recreation.
The desirability of such a goal is not relevant in the current context. What is necessary to recognize is the fact that in our society, more men than women -- for whatever reasons -- are willing to commit themselves to the course of action demanded by such a rigorous goal. Even if there were no prejudice against women in business, the disparate numbers in the pools of available male and female candidates actively striving for this end would lead to a male/female ratio in line with that observed today.
As an example of this general process, consider the health field. In health care, nursing is almost exclusively the province of women and one which is relatively well-paid. Nurses in a large hospital in Iowa, for instance, can earn $25-40,000 a year. Yet many of the nurses I know voluntarily seek and accept only part-time positions. Some of these women want to spend more time watching their children grow; they don't want to miss those early years of rapid change. Others simply prefer more free time to engage in activities they enjoy. In most such cases, the husband works full-time.
In any event, the rejection by these nurses of the full-time careers available to them or of the graduate level education necessary for administrative careers results in a lower average wage for all nurses...and, more indirectly, for women in general. Yet this effect is a consequence of voluntary choices, not prejudice.
Likewise, many women forsake high-powered business careers in favor of the less tangible rewards of greater flexibility in work schedules; of more time invested in the raising of a family; and of wider opportunities for non-monetary personal development.
Overall, women work fewer hours than men; have less job experience and work fewer years; and avoid work in risky or unpleasant jobs which tend to be more highly compensated. Also, marriage and children tend to depress earnings for women when compared to men or single females. Unfortunately, some feminists prefer to focus solely on the issue of wages and promotions as measures of how much society values women. They have no incentive to impute economic importance to a homemaking career. To do so would undermine their case for widespread discrimination. But while material goods are necessary and desirable, they are by no means the sole standard we should use in judging someone's worth.
Even for many women who do devote their full attention to career issues, many fail adequately to understand how much of the corporate world works. Advancement in the business world frequently is based upon principles most men subconsciously learn as they grow up. It operates in ways emulating team sports and the military chain-of-command. Women who fail to understand the importance of office politics, going through the proper channels, and being able to make decisions quickly put themselves at an automatic disadvantage. Corporate life is a game which is not always fair: for men or women. Being able to take risks without making waves, being a team player who can operate independently when necessary, and participating in after-hours activities may not set well with some women, but for the present, the reality of the situation needs to be acknowledged if it is ever to change.
Despite any barriers of prejudice remaining in business and elsewhere, there is no need to invoke conscious (or subconscious) male-led conspiracies designed to deny women opportunities for achievement. Whatever the objective merits or shortcomings of the different goals selected by men and women, the reality of those differences provides a sufficient explanation for most situations. Businesses which continue to hire only males for top level positions out of a desire to maintain a "good old boys" environment will -- in a free society -- eventually find themselves at a competitive disadvantage with rivals who promote more competent, "underpaid" females to do the same kind of work.
The second point to be made on this issue is that all the (invalid) derivative permutations of "affirmative action" and "equality" entail violations of property rights. Even if an employer is overtly racist or sexist, there is no ethical justification for governmental intervention in his business decisions. If someone wants to serve only black people or hire only young women on the basis of their looks, that is his or her perogative and right (even if that action is, itself, actually distasteful and unethical). The function of government is not to ensure virtue but to ensure that no one's rights are violated.
No "right" exists to a job or a product or a service except for those economic goods which one has earned and obtained in a mutually satisfactory, voluntary interaction. Any other course involving the coercive powers of the State threatens not only the freedom of the business operators but, ultimately, the freedom of those who would seek redress of "unfairness" by calling on the State to commit injustices of its own.
IMO.... A good honest sincere article....although it is more focused towards feminsim and affirmitive action ... I think it again show's the danger and immorality of the naive end justifies the mean's philosophy and that these "ism's" are sometimes just a mean's to serve big government well ...and ironically I think that history has shown clearly how governments are by far the greatest threat of real repression and discrimination.
I will leave it at that. I think all races deserve to be treated fairly ...I don't know what could possibly be a problem with that ....case closed. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 4:36:42 PM | I guess it would be a blatant remark against you solely because of your skin colour. I think MANY people are too sensitive to it, and have some sort of chip on their shoulder where they automatically assume that any negative remark to them has to be about race.
I've only been called a racist twice in my life...once by someone on a message board because I stated that I disagreed with affirmative action (and it's canadian equivalent) and another by an old landlord.
He was from India and we got into a scrap about my moving. His nephew was coming over in 3 weeks and he wanted the apartment ready for him. I had a very small child at the time and knew it would be next to impossible to pack and come up with the money for the move.Our laws stated that he needed to give me 3 months notice. I told him that I would try to move if he paid for the moving expenses and hookups in another place in lieu of notice. If not then I wasn't going to be able to do it. He got angry because it was "his" property and did things to drive me out (filing police reports saying that I was freaking out and damaging the apartment, calling CPS every day, and playing loud music in the morning as he lived upstairs). Finally, he served me papers evicting me under the "peaceful enjoyment" clause.
I refused to speak to him at this point, and he showed up with the notice in hand...then proceeded to try and read it out so that I'd "understand" what he was doing. I told him to get away from my door, to leave it in the mailbox and that I would not listen to him. He started a sentence with "Well, if this were India...." and I interrupted him by saying "It's the law here..if you don't like it go back to India"
That man went to every neighbour to tell them how racist I was and I was vilified for it. I got told off by two people for my "racist" views until I explained.
I guess the point of my story is that some people are WAY too sensitive about their skin colour, and have a need to use it as an excuse for not getting their way.
BTW, I was told by a chat buddy of mine (he was black)that I was a sweetheart, but he'd never date me because I was white. Personal preference...sure. Racism? Depends on who you ask, but I wasn't offended at all. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 4:43:10 PM | its one thing to google something and its another to understand it sport, yes thats the smug part of me even articles of a apocryphal nature.
somehow I knew affirmative action would rear its ugly head, at least you didn't disappoint me sport, We can agree that the world isn' t fair, as mentioned before we don't reside in Utopia and Racism isn't a matter of aesthetic preference, it a matter of bigoted exclusion.........words ...deeds…….actions. I've never been a fan of affirmative action, never needed it wont endorse it either, I think Affirmative action was useful in the civil rights era and to think we as a society should of evolved? all affirmative action now a day has done is caused more friction among the citizens of our great countries and reminds certain minorities that they are considered second class citizen in the eyes of some people. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 5:07:00 PM |
its one thing to google something and its another to understand it sport, yes thats the smug part of me even articles of a apocryphal nature.
somehow I knew affirmative action would rear its ugly head, at least you didn't disappoint me sport, We can agree that the world isn' t fair, as mentioned before we don't reside in Utopia and Racism isn't a matter of aesthetic preference, it a matter of bigoted exclusion.........words ...deeds…….actions. I've never been a fan of affirmative action, never needed it wont endorse it either, I think Affirmative action was useful in the civil rights era and to think we as a society should of evolved? all affirmative action now a day has done is caused more friction among the citizens of our great countries and reminds certain minorities that they are considered second class citizen in the eyes of some people.
I agree with your post...very true .....other than your questioning my reading comprehension. Cheers ! | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 5:18:53 PM | Watch the movies:
The Tuskegee Airmen
Men of Honor
They show you real racism in action. They also show you how to beat the racist. Prove the racist to be an idiot by being the BEST at whatever you do.
Don't go screaming about racism, because that simply does not help to cure the racist. All that does is make them laugh at you because they got the reaction they were after.
And remember... racism is learned. 2 year olds don't care what color the other 2 year olds are. That means the problem is 100% cureable.
We've been trying a method that has failed for the past 40 years. If the current "Affirmative action" program was going to work, racism would have been cured already. (except possibly in people over 50)
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BTW.... if you are really proud of being black, white, hispanic, aisian... (whatever ethnicity, and whatever name you prefer that ethnicity be called by) there's nothing wroing with wanting to perpetuate that ethnicity.
Some black men perfer asian women.
Some white men prefer hispanic women.
Some asian men prefer white women.
Having a preference for one particular appearance is not necessarilly racist...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've considered the winner of Miss America to be the worst looking one of the 50 to get up on the stage a few times, for reasons other than skin color. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 6:36:21 PM |
Racism covers a very wide range of behavior. What was said and the context are necessary to give you an answer.
I don't think so. I think racism, racist, and prejudice are some of the most overused and misused words in the English language. It's an excuse that many people throw out when they don't get their way or they disagree with someone's opinion.
I am under no illusions that racism does still exists, but I rarely hear of an incident where the term fits what actually happened. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 6:39:53 PM |
thanks for the input! It started when i messaged a female a couple days ago. I commented on how great she looked in her pictures and asked her if she dated black guys! her answer was "ewwwww no" wtf does that mean?
It means she is not interested. She might be racist person, might not. Either way though it shows a lack of class and if I were in your shoes I would be happy she showed her true colors upfront. Then I would have forgot about it. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 6:46:17 PM |
I'm not soft and sensitive...I actually think a bit of racial venting is a good thing . It's massive "legal" discrimination by my own government that I don't especially care for!
Honestly, I think your original post and this was was just something to start an arguement. But there are people who think everything that doesn't go their way means they are a victim and you might fit that category. I think you are soft & sensitive and probably have an inferiority complex on top of it all. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 7:38:57 PM | ^ Well....I have been accused of being a bit arrogant as well....so put them together and I must be just right...thank's. Soft and sensitive ....nope....except for my Care Bear collection lol I am simply very much opposed to racial preferences...I've been on the short end of that stick ...since you read my earlier post. It is a political hot potato , so that it's not a shocker that there might be some controversy. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 7:40:27 PM | If you have to ask if you are a victim of racism then you most likely aren't.
Now what I have found interesting is how a race can call itself a name yet claim racism when someone of another race uses that name. A prime example of double standards. I have found that most carry a chip on their shoulder, which makes them very sensitive to any thing that they feel implies racism. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism? Posted: 2/14/2007 7:53:56 PM | | Absolutely hilarious..........Too many people get all uptight when the "r" word is thrown out there......nice touch Jill! I've got several good friends who have a "darker complexion"(IE Black dudes) and they would never stoop to using that word as an excuse for someone,something they couldn't obtain....bravo. If life knocks you down, get the F^%K back up and keep swinging! | |
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