| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/14/2007 8:48:05 PM | I was filling out a form for school awhile ago, and one of the questions asked was "Are you a member of a visible minority?" Now as a woman, I can CHOOSE to answer yes, or I can choose no(which I do). This is such a grey area, do I want preferential treatment because I am "the weaker sex", or do I want to be able to stand on my merits alone? I choose the latter, because I have worked very hard to prove myself, and do not want to be given a free ride just because I was born without a penis.
One thing I do take exception to is the entrance requirements for certain courses, and how they vary dependent upon your "circumstances". In order to get into nursing, I was required to have a MINIMUM average of 84 percent(mine was 94-not the point, but yay me!!!). They set aside a number of spots for other groups, some visible(whatever that means) minorities, some for persons with permanent disabilities, international students, and those of aboriginal ancestory. For the students of aboriginal ancestory applying, the minimum grade average was 60 percent to qualify. Now I ask you, is this fair?? I worked my butt off to acheive the marks that I did, face tough competition to get into this field, and someone else can walk in with an average that is 34 percent less than mine, and be accepted right away. And all because they were born to a race that is considered a minority. I think everyone should be held to the same standards, regardless of race, sex, whether they're beautiful or ugly, gay or straight, fat or thin. As a society we perpuate these stereotypes, and then squawk about racism and prejudice when someone commits a hate crime or a racial slur.
I'm not sure I made a very good point here, I guess I dream of a world where we are all judged solely for our strengths as human beings, not because of what we look like. That's basically what it comes down to, we're all judging one another by our outward appearance and making conclusions based on this. I could go on(though I'm sure you don't want me to), pointing out how a biker is portrayed, a girl who wears short skirts and tight tops, etc., etc., etc. We are all guilty of some form of bias, or prejudice, or racism at different times in our lives. We are able to live with it because we find ways to justify them to ourselves, or worse yet, are completely oblivious to it. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/14/2007 11:39:16 PM |
I think everyone should be held to the same standards, regardless of race, sex, whether they're beautiful or ugly, gay or straight, fat or thin.
And regardless of religious affilliation or lack thereof.
That is the real cure to racism. Make it so it doesn't matter, because race should not matter in your ability to get an education, job ... anything.
Giving bonus points due to race is essentially saying the race getting the points is inferior. Its an insult.
The ones who prove that they are equal to or better than thier competition have the pride of thier accomplishments. The ones that ride on the minimum level possible tend to be the ones who complain the most.
Denying pride in accomplishment is harmful to self esteem. People with poor self esteem don't even try to do thier best. The current setup with bonus ponts for race actually helps keep the people the bonus points were SUPPOSED to help from achieving thier true potential.
We are building a society of dependance. True freedom comes from being independant. I don't mind giving someone who needs it a hand up... as long as they are willing to work to help themselves.
If you just give people handouts, you end up with lazy bums.
Think about the pride you got from ACHIEVING a difficult goal. You don't get that special "high" from anything else... and its addictive... and its a good thing because being addicted to working to achieve helps all of society. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 2:41:32 AM |
I was filling out a form for school awhile ago, and one of the questions asked was "Are you a member of a visible minority?" Now as a woman, I can CHOOSE to answer yes, or I can choose no(which I do).
So you consider yourself a minority because of your gender? WTH? | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 6:40:39 AM | ^
Your shear ignorance of the racist and sexist policy called "affirmitive action" is showing.
It is women and "visible minorities" who receive preferential treatment under this policy to the disclusion of white males.
Basic understanding of a subject is helpful when posting on a thread.
You might want to put your head back in the sand now. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 6:56:32 AM | Oh poor cedar, cant get a job , because of his race!!!!!,................ please dont you dare compare your situation to what millions of non- white males go through every day of their lives  | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 7:22:53 AM | ^^^^
What's the difference between his complaining about workplace prejudice against whites, and your complaining about workplace prejudice against minorities?
Are you suggesting that it's "fair" to elevate people over others in these situations based on their skin colour? And if so, why do you believe that it isn't racism ?After all, you're promoting the idea that certain groups "deserve" preferential treament over others....based solely on skin colour. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 8:12:07 AM | Oh poor cedar, cant get a job , because of his race!!!!!,................ please dont you dare compare your situation to what millions of non- white males go through every day of their lives
I think your post is very dramatic!...for someone who's sleeping.
Don't dare to patronize me ....I do quite well thank's.
I have no idea what you mean by "can't get a job" ....I run my own business in a dog eat dog free market without any special priviledges.
I think you're looking for "affirmitive action" in term's of who can seek a more just society..which of course isn't justice....typical.
It's ironic that equality is the ideal and yet in your own word's "please don't dare compare"...do you recognize your paradox?
What's the difference between his complaining about workplace prejudice against whites, and your complaining about workplace prejudice against minorities?
The difference is that discrimination against white males is legal and the policy of our government.
Discrimintation against visible minorities is illegal and rightfully so.
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 9:49:36 AM | No ilegion, I do not consider myself a minority because of my gender, that is why I don't check that box. But many people do, and I could take advantage of this sad fact. That was my point, which I apparently didn't make clear. Gender discrimination exists as well as that against race, religous affiliation, sexual preference, etc. Ask most women and I'm sure they have a story or two... | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 9:52:19 AM |
I commented on how great she looked in her pictures and asked her if she dated black guys!
Please someone enlighten me as to why black men ask women this? It's the only race I've ever seen do this. | |
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T-Gro
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Joined: 1/11/2007
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 10:19:57 AM | I ask this question because people (me included) may be friends or activity partners with lots of different type of people. But dating, relationships and love have more merit. In my experience its something that i ask early on because it is usually the first roadblock.
It would be similar to asking a athlete if he/she is left or right handed. Just a question that you ask a fellow player when you start a game, but would decide what position he/she plays or what glove, stick or other equipment they would need!
T
ps man i had no idea this would turn into this such a heated debate! Keep it friendly people! | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 10:50:53 AM | | Well, coming from someone on the receiving end of that question, it's really annoying and puts me in an odd spot. Trust me, you can only hear it so many times and you want to say ewwwww no! | |
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T-Gro
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Joined: 1/11/2007
Msg: 63 | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 11:25:46 AM | | A female friend of mine used to be asked that question all the time. Especially if it was known that she had turned down a date with a black man. By just turning down that date she was labeled racist. It didn't matter that she had turned him down because she didn't like that one man. The only thing that was focused on was that she turned down a black man and therefore must be a racist. | |
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M2k7
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Joined: 1/18/2007
Msg: 65 | |
| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 12:30:08 PM | T-Gro...
Racist and prejudice, although the come from the same root of hatred are slightly different. If she doesn't hate black people, but just won't date them. - Prejudice. Similar if someone won't date someone who is 100lbs overweight, or someone because they are handicapped.
Racist is a deeper root of hatred. Hating you because your black or asian or even white without qualifying it.
Victim of prejudice - yes. Racism - not enough to go on. | |
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M2k7
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Joined: 1/18/2007
Msg: 66 | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 2:33:44 PM | I'm beginning to think my mother dropped on my head as a child? T-gro what does asking a athlete if he/she is left handed or right handed vs asking a Caucasian woman if she dates black men?? I can see if you're a manager of a Professional baseball team and its the bottom of the ninth, runners on the corner, two outs, tying run on third, and you have a left hand reliever and a right hand reliever 
I think Dorfkfully was spot on with her last missive, It is very annoying when someone asks me that question as well, to some of us people are people regardless of ethnicity,religion etc etc etc. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 4:04:21 PM | "The difference is that discrimination against white males is legal and the policy of our government.
Discrimintation against visible minorities is illegal and rightfully so."
Like i said cedar, poor you . has the big bad government stepped on your god given rights , please get over yourself, you come across as a poster boy for the KKK | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 4:18:04 PM | I just think it means that she does not date black men.
Seriously, instead of trying to play the "race card", just move on.
All this racism stuff is getting old......
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 4:24:18 PM |  Just because my inicials are KKK dose not mean that I am Klan Related...
 Just because I am of a somewhat lighter shade of brown than you,dose not make me a racist,infact I have not even had a speeding ticket in years...
 But I have been ripped off,mugged,beaten,blackmailed,vandelised,sued,threatened and black balled by every other race other then my own...
 Could I be a victem of Racism??? Nope, just another White Guy with a tan...    | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 5:14:30 PM | AAYUSLASH:
Like i said cedar, poor you. has the big bad government stepped on your god given rights , please get over yourself, you come across as a poster boy for the KKK
Reverse discrimination DOES happen.
Any person, regardless of their skin color, gender, age, sexual orientation or religion has a right to complain if they are denied employment, housing or medical care on their ascribed status alone.
YOU are no better than those who oppressed your race for so many years if you truly have the attitude you express here.
OT: It means she isn't worth your time and it's better that you have the benefit of learning that now. | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 5:17:23 PM | Like i said cedar, poor you . has the big bad government stepped on your god given rights , please get over yourself, you come across as a poster boy for the KKK
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Who can reason with that cr*p?? ....so tiresome and nowhere ...thank's for your effort's there AAYUSLASH ...the golden rule hey? | |
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| How do you tell if your a victim of Racism?
Posted: 2/15/2007 6:03:41 PM |
Please someone enlighten me as to why black men ask women this? It's the only race I've ever seen do this
Believe me when I say that black men aren't the only ones who ask that question. White men ask black females the same thing!
I figure it's because there are many out there who won't date outside their race so some feel it necessary to ask that question up front before pursuing anything further. | |
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