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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 1:24:18 AM | Quadmom, nope, no place to go, no place to hide, left me with nothing to get there with. I thought when I met him at least I had nothing to lose. I was wrong. I could still work and had a pretty good sense of myself and where I wanted to be. Now all I know is "elsewhere".
One of the hardest things I'm finding is that in past relationships, I could get some kind of closure. With a narcissist, I keep remembering things we did or good times, then thinking, but it wasn't real. It was all fake on his end, he never loved me. I just have to keep reminding myself that I DID love him, and that part was real, and I enjoyed it very much. He may not have deserved it, but that's not the point.
Honestly, once I'm away from here, I don't think he'll bother me. That would take effort. Anyway, I'm real. He's found cyberlove. Much easier to lie, and he doesn't even have to have real sex. The ultimate univolvement, he can flit from female to female, have them all think he's soooo wonderful without ever getting close enough to learn the truth. I'm sure they will all hear about his talented X who he nursed through many a long illness (which he actually caused) and finally, tragically, died. So having me show up alive would kind of put a crimp on a real-life situation. He is so focused on being Mr. Nice Guy, cyberland is the only place he can live without being caught. Luckily, he at least can't physically harm anyone else that way.
Funny, one of the things we did have problems over was his obsessive computer use. So your Matrix comment is sooo true. Only he lives back in the days of knights and dragons and fair maidens that he always rescues...then rides off to the next dragon and fair maiden. If you ever really read the Arthur legends, Lancelot was kind of a jerk too, he had a wife at home while he was mooning over his best friend's wife. And we met at a Renaissance event. He really comes off as "normal" and charming there, because that's where he believes he should be.
InTheSwim, the big guy is an African serval. He's my baby! Yeah, I could see why they would make GREAT spys. It would also give them a great excuse to keep relationships at a distance "I could tell you I love you baby, but then I'd have to kill you." 
NOT funny at all is the Munchausens By Proxy. I had no idea until this little life episode that it happens with adults. I think a support group for him would be a great idea. Help him see the truth through all her BS. Also, he just hit his majority, he's excaping from her legally, so she's pushing the buttons as fast as she can. If he is ADHD, there are a LOT of symptoms to play with from that alone, but it's not that bad if you know you have it. Lots of ways to deal with it. But it would be a devil's playground for a MBP.
"Only YOU can prevent Narcissism!" I love it. You can buy blank bumper stickers and print them with your computer. I might just give that one a run through. I know where he parks. If you can't find them anywhere else, maybe I should start producing them!
Lone56Wolf, some take the "no" word without a flinch. They just bide their time until they have you thoroughly hooked and believing they are wonderful, then they just erode over time until you never notice how far down you are. But yeah, first date, run awaaaaay! Mine always said and acted liked he hated to say no to me, he rarely did. But then, I was very well trained not to ask for anything either, just be so grateful he was there. Ick, ick, ick, ewwwww! | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 7:52:39 AM | NOT funny at all is the Munchausens By Proxy. I had no idea until this little life episode that it happens with adults. I think a support group for him would be a great idea. Help him see the truth through all her BS. Also, he just hit his majority, he's excaping from her legally, so she's pushing the buttons as fast as she can. If he is ADHD, there are a LOT of symptoms to play with from that alone, but it's not that bad if you know you have it. Lots of ways to deal with it. But it would be a devil's playground for a MBP.
Just like you, I had no idea of things like this...before...what a way to get an education.
You are right about the buttons. She's been playing them like a piano... However, her last shot at the prize was a few years ago...I hope. 18 is the age of majority here. I am wondering though, if she's found another way to "cash-in" on his so-called disabilites even though he's now 21. This has been one of her focus things...Lot's of social programs ripe for the picking. If there's something there that she can milk, you can bet she'll be all over it.
As far as the ADHD goes...I don't know how anyone could possibly be otherwise when they are living in a house of mirrors, and, constantly under a motar attack.
Closer to PTSD I suspect. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 8:01:47 AM | WOW! Just stumbled upon this thread! Quad, you are soooooo fortunate he didn't "go for" the children!
My sis is going through a nightmare divorce from my Bro-in-law who is a classic Narcissist...he's by the book in all aspects. Even has a Narcissist as his lawyer. AND they are court-ordered to live together through the entire divorce proceedings!
He realized her only vulnerability is her love for her children (4 & 6) and of course that has been his target. He has sued for custody and is fighting her tooth and nail to get them ...he manipulates them emotionally, and physically, every waking moment.
He manages to charm all who come into contact with him, and constantly attempts (convincingly) to portray her as unstable and inept. This is a man who barely noticed his children until the divorce began! Now, he's playing the "Mr Mom" role to all observers. It's terrifying to see.
The worst part is that, statistically, these men win their custody battles in more than 75% of the cases!!! They have Advocates who go to court with them, and who teach them how to win over the Judges. (They also pursue custody in order to avoid paying child support to the "enemy"...the ex.)
They are very convincing, and even Court appointed psychologists are rarely capable of recognizing this disorder. I know. I have met with the court-psychologist on my sister's case and when I convinced her to explore Narcissistic Personality Disorder online sites , it was an eye opener for her.
These people are very obsessive, and very convincing. When one first becomes involved it is flattering to be around someone who "mirrors" you. After awhile the "mirroring" fades and if you don't keep up the adulation, they soon become nasty. Very nasty.
Unfortunately my sis lives in a VERY Patriarchal state (Ala) where the men win more than 80% of custody suits. I shudder at the thought of this cold, soul-less creature gaining total control of two young children!  
I wish more people knew, especially in the Courts, about this Personality disorder...I think it would make it easier on those who end up in relationships with these people. Outside support in escaping. But it is like reporting rape. Social stigmas of it's "the victim's fault" are still rampant.  | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 8:23:43 AM | | WOW!!!!! I have read most of the replies for this thread and I truly admire all the women.... the courage you all have.... I wish all of you the happiness you deserve in life .... | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 8:51:08 AM | islgirl- Maybe your sis could put together a little bit of research to give to her lawyer. I know chances are slim that it would ever even be able to be presented in court, but its a way of explaining his attempt to portray has unstable and why.
Knowledge is always powere. I'd try my best to find a way to get this disorder noted with the judge. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 9:29:47 AM | Well, now that I've read this thread, it appears I was involved with a woman who has all the signs of NPD. I am still hurting about it, but slowly, and surely, I am realizing she has no feelings about anything. When I first suspected her lies, I called her on it, and she just attacked me for being nosey and invading her 'privacy.' But no real answers about any of her actions. So, the more I looked at everything she wrote (in chat and emails), and the more I thought about our interaction off the internet, I suspected she was a pathological liar and have called her such. Would you say the two go hand in hand? Being such a constant liar and having NPD?
I am finding it very helpful to gain this kind of knowledge from others in the forums here. I had heard of men being pathological liars, but never did I imagine a woman I was attracted to could be the same.
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 11:36:38 AM | "cyberlove"
The internet is the greatest thing to everhappen to people with NPD. Here, they don't have to PROVE ANYthing. Their lies can be as deep as the ocean...and the person on the other end doesn't have many ways of finding them out.
Thats how my ex got me. Online..where I believed that both of his kids were by the same woman and she was from HELL. I believed that he was in the midst of a custody battle to get said children. I believed he was getting his business off the ground (which I COULD have checked into..but we it never even occurs to us innocent types).
I am sharp as the proverbial tack this time around. I looked for ANYthing that could be a lie. And my poor guy suffered for it dearly. But hey...its something thats embedded in our psyche forever isn't it? | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 5:33:10 PM | Hi Quadmom,
Sorry to hear about your relationship with one of these satanic beings that roam about society legally. I never heard of the word narcississ until about three months into a relationship with a woman who was married to a man who was cheating on her with six other women...on and on. All lies to make her look good and her husband seem like the evil prick. They use all kinds of lies to make you feel sorry for them or show you how great they are how beautiful they are how nothing is their fault etc, then once they have you hooked, its hell time. Check out my profile, I use the term narcissistic personalities traits as tendencies I'm not looking for. I have spotted one woman here, that I'm almost positive is one of these life sucking mutations. I didn't have much contact with her, but just by watching her profile, testimonies, images, fav list numbers, I can see the traits pile up over time. It's hard to beleive the public is not protected in our society by these vampires. They should be marked ...666... on their foreheads for everyone to see, to protect the innocent. It takes a long time to heal from their damage, and yet they walk away with no pain, ready for another victim.  | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 5:40:55 PM | I'm pretty confident that I was married to a man with several personality disorders including Narcissism. Lots of drama, impossible to please, lots of emotional issues and never willing to admit or seek any form of help - of course he thought he was perfect. From my research on the topics, it explains the emotional abuse he put me through.
Now that I understand it and have gone through partnership to this, I feel like the small issues in life are nothing. It's a blessing in disguise to teach you how to handle stress, exert patience, and know yourself. But, from my understanding... it is ridiculously impossible to try to help through therapies. If I recognized this in anyone else, I'd run for the hills. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 6:54:05 PM | Hi Quadmom
Smart lady you are for sure
You come across very intelligent and smart also and good for you for being able to leave him
I don't know if I ever dated a narcisisist but ya got me thinking
I for sure was "Aquainted" with a narcissistic women and never met one before to my knowledge and to start she introduced herself as a narcissist not joking
I asked her if she knew what that was cause it was such an odd thing to say
I thought it was just someone that loved only them
This women loves herself and won't listen to anything I had to say so I called her on that one day and said quote do you ever care what anyone else ever has to say besides yourself
She said WHAT I always care and I said I don't believe you
I have read this whole thing and I thought narcissim was just unbelievable vainity
I helped her with all her problems and she suddenly just dropped me one day and was nasty bout it and then said lies galore behind my back and 3 neibours told me what she said bout me cause they knew she was trouble
Sitting at my place she would often just take out her pocket mirror and start staring at herself She stole alot of stuff from me
This horror story goes on and on but I got rid rid of her aft 4 months with police assistance
She can not legally bother me anymore or she will be charged
She is known as the nightmare of this city
She only has friends for 5 minutes so to speak and is always drinking and disturbing many people and she is the talk of the town literally
She stole such precious things from me and won't admit to it
The 4 times we went out in public together she was embarrasing to be with and at bars twice I had 2 men separate times pay alot of attention to me instead of her and each time she became enraged
Everyone stays clear of her
She comes across very strange and conceited and Loud so until I read all of these I did not even know narsissim was an illness I thought it was just total self absorbsion
She did introduce herself as a narcisist and I said why would you say that and she did say my doctor told me I was one
I should have figured this all out
Anyway either way this person blames everyone for everything like I have read here and twists everything and can no way no how be trusted has no friends and thinks she is IT
Thank you Quadmom and all for the insite here a lesson learned for me as well
I just walk by her and she me now but she is legally not allowed to even speak to me now or I can charge her with harrassment
Even after our blow up and not the biggest one just when she suddenly dropped me after she felt I had helped her enough she wanted to be friends again trying to talk to me compliments to me that were fake anything to get me back as a friend I just ignored her each time
Thanks to all on here and I wrote down a site someone wrote on here on NPD that I will be reading
Interesting like I say here I knew she was strange and very vain and hurtful especially talking lies to my neibours about me but I did not ever know till this post that narcisism was an illness
Thx for the info and good luck to you so much so Quadmom enjoy your life and children now
Now this was a female friend has me wondering I am sure I may have dated at least one narcissist let me think.............   | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 7:23:35 PM | | Well, you have to understand that even if they know they have a problem, they call it a mental disorder because that is what it is. It is not something they can just turn off. I feel very sorry for people that have this disorder, ASD, PTSD, or any other mental illness. Sad statistic is that roughly 80% of all people will experience some form of mental disorder in their lifetime. But, you are right to be concerned and I would not be able to handle this. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/24/2007 10:31:39 PM | I am SO grateful for all the emails and posts here that have reinforced my thought that posting something about this illness would help myself and others.
So happy to know that it doesn't take being stupid to be used by one of these assasins. And I'm calling them that because they kill the spirits of others. Deliberately and with malice. This man assisinated the woman I used to be. My only hope is that the woman who has replaced her now, after the fire, is one that I can be proud of.
So glad that this is helping other people and not just me! | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 12:04:15 PM | Hi Again Quad Mom! Yes...my sis has compiled a plethora of info on Narcissism and the Judicial system. And is paying her lawyer for his time in reading it. Old adage ..."know thine enemy" comes to mind.
I read some books put out by several experts who have studied, extensively, this disorder, and the conclusion has been, across the board, that this is 100% INcurable.
And it is very difficult to have sympathy for one who has this disorder, in that they are almost always completely unaware they have a problem,& if they are aware, do not care. If they do feel isolated, lonely, it is invariably someone ELSE"S fault, not theirs.They do not take responsibility for anyone else's pain and they have an innate incapability of feeling and expressing empathy. They are soul-less.
This syndrome is totally different from plain old selfishness. Or those with inflated egos. That usually indicates insecurity and self-esteem issues.
Narcissists are empty inside. They are chameleons and change tactics as soon as they sense they are about to be exposed. They rarely have deep personal opinions and belief systems...it's usually all about what they are certain will impress their contacts. They often suddenly "find religion" and start proselytizing regarding the "morals" of others and their own above-reproach lifestyle.
But one thing I've observed and read, is that they hone in on those who tend to be emotional "pushovers". Those who are very giving,loving, and very compassionate. And those who tend to be quite trusting.
They are like muggers. Pick their victims out in advance.
The strong, slightly cold, and very independant turn them off.
My sis is a hell of a stronger, more independant and challenging person now that she has mucked her way through 9 years of emotional abuse at the hands of this man. She was like the proverbial Doe with fawns...now she is the fierce Lioness with cubs. And she can now spot that "personality" a mile away!
Which is a GOOD thing.
And once you figure them out, they are sooooo predictable.
Actually,narcissists are pretty easy to manipulate because they ARE so predictable.
Glad to see more and more people are recognizing these "types" and learning how to avoid, and how to deal with them.
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 12:41:52 PM | Wow, good for her islgirl. So glad she has empowered herself. See, my ex went wrong in his choice with me. I AM that sweet, unselfish, comapassionate girl..thats me. But once I'm pushed to the limit I become a complete b!tch. And now he knows it. I'm sure he shakes his head many a night wondering where he went wrong now that he's seen me do what I have to do to get him out of my life.
Just wanted to post my experience with my NPD ridden ex today. He met my S/O a couple of weeks ago, and true to his tendencies he played it cool. Shook hands with the all so important male "whats up man?". I knew I hadn't heard the last of it though.
True to form, he shows up for his vist today with "You don't know that guy, how can you let him around MY kids?" You can guess what I did in response, right? 
Ya, I let him have it with both barrels. To summarize, I said something to the effect of how dare he question WHO I see when he screwed half the women in the midwest DURING the marriage. See, he was mostly upset over the pic he seen on my computer of my boyfriend and my daughter together. He went all nuts with "people are seeing that all over the internet and thinking that she is his daughter." Which is SO true to form. He's more worried about what OTHERS will think of HIM for having an ex that had the audacity to move on and be with a man whose bonded with HIS kids.
When I told him in no uncertain terms that I could do as I please, his response was "Ya, you'll be doing as you please SOON." WTF??? I, ofcourse, asked if that was meant to be some kind of threat. (I have a order of protection against him that he is only to be within 500ft of me when he comes and goes seeing the kids) Any way, he backed off real quick when I asked what he meant by that. I then said "If that was a threat, you know what I do with threats...take them right downtown to the courthouse" He abruptly kissed the kids goodbye and left.
I'm proud of myself for not backing down and lettting him know that my life is my own now. I wish I could just remain calm and aloof. I know that getting upset just feeds into his ego. Oh well, I still win this round. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 1:09:34 PM | You know, NPD is a recognized disorder and is ONLY diagnosable by a qualified professional.
You can't diagnose someone. Your therapist can't diagnoses someone you've described..and in fact, THAT would be a very irresponsible thing to do (at the least).
When going through a divorce, or being in a difficult relationship, it's natural to try and figure out "why" the person behaved/behaves the way they did/do. And if you go read any of the descriptions (from a reputable site) covering the various recognized disorders, it's very human to start thinking "Oh, I do that!" or "Yeh, he does that for sure." But we ALL do some of the things from the list. And for the most part, we ALL fall into the normal range. Ever take a psychology course? lol You end up thinking you and the people in your life have half the illnesses described.
Sure some people are jerks or aholes, and may even exhibit some to all of the traits of those with NPD, or any other disorder, but that doesn't mean they have the disorder. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 4:27:34 PM | Arugula,
While you are correct about "you can't diagnose" NPD or any other disease unless you are a qualified and licensed medical practitioner-- however--that said:
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and lays eggs that hatch baby ducks, there is a VERY GOOD CHANCE it may be a duck.
A "medical diagnosis" of NPD is only made by someone who is qualified, but a person deciding that the person they are living with is NPD by observation may be right or wrong, but the observation of that kind of behavior, and the recogniition that the person is exibiting the signs of NPD are no more "improper diagnosis" than if you observe a person with a high fever, and a bad cough, almost unable to breath, sore chest and you say "they probably have pneumonia" and need to see a physician. You may be totally wrong, it may be the flu, or asthma or bronchitis, but never the less you have got the basic problem down pretty close.
In dealing with "mental disorders" or "personality disorders" if you will educate yourself about the signs and symptoms of these even the lay person can come close to a "diagnosis" many times. Having been in the mental health profession before my retirement, and being at that time licensed to make diagnoses I have worked with nurses aids that have been around it for some time that can almost look at a patient, or talk to them a few minutes and get pretty close to the right diagnosis. Ditto nurses and even sometimes the unit secretaries.
There are some behaviors common to several mental disorders and personality disorders, and there are some that are generally specific to one or two, sometimes people have dual or triple diagnoses. A person can be "bi-polar" (manic depressive) AND also be a sociopath, so having one mental disease doesn't exclude one from also having multiple personality disorders.
This thread isn't trying to be a internet college to train medical or psychological professionals, but it is to try to point out common threads of NPD and other personality disorders so that the "ordinary" person can spot one of these folks BEFORE they get involved with them because they are the TOXIC users that they are.
There has been a big debate in psychiatry for years about if this is hereditary or environmental, and the current thinking is that it is a mixture of both. I take special interest in personality disorders of all kinds because my biological father is a card carrying sociopath that makes Charlie Manson look like the tooth fairy. Fortunately, my mother divorced him when I was 3 months old and I didn't get to know him until I was 18, and even then I was smart enough to figure out he was a "mean S. O. B."  and I haven't had the displeasure of seing him since 1966--but when I got into mental health and started studying "sociopaths" the LIGHTS CAME ON and I realized that he is a perfect, text-book example. At the time, though, and being young, I couldn't figure out why he was so "mean" to me when all I wanted to do was love my biological father as I did my adoptive father. Like a lot of kids who are mentally abused, and then physically abused, I was led to believe it was "my fault"--the only thing that "saved" me is that I had grown up in a loving home and didn't stay around for his abuse. My mother had never talked bad about him to me, she didn't think that was right, but I wish she had warned me at least some. Heck, might not have done any good, as his own father warned me and I didn't listen to him either.
I can only imagine what it must be like to actually be married to one of these people for many years. I only had a short and painful relationship with my bio-father and the hurt from that lasted a decade. I ca'nt imagine how I could continue to interact with an NPD who was the father of my kids, knowing he would be using them and abusing them too at least mentally.
I'm not a violent person at all, but like the sweet lady OP if I am backed into a corner I can come out fighting like a mad mama badger protecting her kits. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 5:08:06 PM | http://samvak.tripod.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_Personality_Disorder
http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/
We are all born narcissistic.
The narcissist never grows out of it.
Narcissist usually has an overbearing, controlling mother and a weak or absent father.
Never heard of one being treated with medicine. Only therapy will work. Narcissists don't believe there is a problem, so therapy usually doesn't work either.
Run like hell from them. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/25/2007 6:21:43 PM | Bless you, Oxdrover. Couldn't have said it better.
And for the record, Arugula some of us did indeed get a diagnosis to solidify our hunch about the people were were dealing with. My ex was in therapy for a short time. He ultimately stopped going because, ofcourse, he didn't think there was anything wrong and "they weren't helping" him. | |
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| Anyone Ever Dated A TRUE Narcissist?
Posted: 2/26/2007 3:24:02 AM | I was engaged to a man that was a narcissist...Nice looking, came from a well to do family..I guess he really did love me at one point..until he became wealthy(inheritance)..he quit his job and spent most of his time buying things...for himself. His mother became his best friend and spent many hours shopping.....
I was working and only had the weekends to spend with him...then all of a sudden he wanted me just to hang out at his parent home..we didnt go anywhere..and they lived over an hour away...since they didnt work..I was .entertaining THEM... I felt like I was visiting the KING AND QUEEN and the PRINCE was my fiance'...they all had too much time on their hands..
I saw the movie "Titanic" and thought to myself....If a boat capsized.. ...would he save me????
Probably not............. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 12:18:00 PM | Hey quadmom and all....
I was all over this thread when it first got posted, but the last while I've been just reading and reading all about it. And this is my new insight.
NPD's usually end up in relationships with BPD (borderline personality disorder). The only NPD I know was in fact in a live-in relatinoship with a BPD just before I met him. Okay so here's the thing. They attract to each other because NPD have a need to be admired and adored. BPDs are clingy and insecure (some of the time) and will do ANYTHING to keep the relationship going. They both serve a need that the other has. And so to be completely honest, this knowledge has me researching BPD now. And you know...its possible that those of us who have had relationships with NPDs may need to look into our own psyches and see if we have issues of our own that had us gravitate to these men. And if we are strong and insightful people....well, we almost always will find something. And to be honest, I do find traits in myself that would attract a narcissistic person. The suggestion is the BPD tries to heal their own pain (that they are in denial about) by fixing the NPDs pain...which mainly is the fact that they have not received enough recognition or validation for the wonderous, special soul they are. NPD think too much of themselves and BPD think too little of selves.
So BPD need to kneel and NPD need to be on a pedestal. And both push others away when emotions get too intense or another is getting to close to the real them.
blah, does this make any sense? I guess I'm saying anybody who has had involvement with NPDs need to really look hard at themselves and work on the issues that attracted the NPD to them in the first place. But not only BPD....the literature says that many people with personality disorders are in relationships with other personality disordered people.
I'm not saying we are to blame...I'm just saying we have a better chance of fixing ourselves than an NPD fixing themselves.
And last, there was some question about whether NPD is from parenting....of all the personality disorders, NPD and BPD is the most highly attributed to childhood abuse/dysfunction. As in physicla or emotional neglect or abuse by parent(s)...also when the parents have a dysfunctional realtionship and the mother lavishes all the attention on the son...thats a factor in developing NPD too. The boy thinks he is more special than his role model (father). Also if you were a child of NPD parents, you're at high risk of having a PD.
So...has anybody else, in their learning, come to realize that they may have some traits that need fixing too? I mean nobody is perfect, we all know that, but if we find ourselves in more than one relationship with this type of person, then I think its fair to wonder if our own dispostion is attracting them...thoughts? | |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 12:24:44 PM | | There is a great book called something like "Why is it always about you?". It answered alot of questions of WHY for me. Was married to one for 18 years and had no idea. Good luck to all invlved in a relationship with one of those individuals as sooner or later you wll need luck. | |
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