| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 5:43:03 AM | And... talking of our universe and atomic clocks to measure time, but humans arent machines and we dont have the innate ability to measure things so precisely and we are applying all these principles to a universe outside ourselves as if we are purely a pile of matter, but what about the energy we are? Like energy that causes interference to radio waves eg solar flares.
Couldn't we ourselves be those forces that might distort time?????
Why does it have to be something outside of our universe or our world or even outside of ourselves?
Its like not seeing the forest for the trees.
Perhaps instead of looking outwardly for answers we should be looking within.
Maybe we are underestimating our power in it.
We are so busy looking at all the elements involved but we forget that we are part of the equation. | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 10:27:10 AM | If a person can't explain what they know to grade school age person,
(without using notes, google, etc) does he really understand the topic ?
The most complex things in the world can be explained to anyone,
in terms they understand, providing one has decent grasp of the subject to begin with.
The neat thing about POF is that many people see different perspectives of the topic.
We learn a little something from each person who posts on here. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 2:01:00 PM | Well -- if someone can explain the nature of time — even using notes, Google® and PowerPoint® (even an unlicensed version or a SUN® equivalent) I would be much obliged — I started studying time at about age 13 — it was my primary focus in physics and math for at least a half a dozen years of formal education — I did a webpage TIMEWHERE on time in the early 90's when there were about 127 or 128 webpages on the whole www — and I really haven't got much further with my basic understanding in close to half a century of thoughtful analysis.
as if we are purely a pile of matter
Actually that's exactly what we are — even if the truth hurts our sense of species self-importance. A bunch of chemicals, molecules forming various compounds and membranes to secure them. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 3:26:41 PM | | I know what it is. I just don't have the time to explain it. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 3:39:00 PM | time is not separate from space. that's why they call it space-time in physics.... two sides of the same phenomenal coin of material existence. plus, "matter" is nothing more than condensed energy.
i see time as a frequency. or a whole world of different frequencies, all interpenetrating each other without ever affecting the other frequencies. if i'm right, that certainly allows the existence of parallel worlds. and other interesting things. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 3:45:07 PM |
f a person can't explain what they know to grade school age person,
(without using notes, google, etc) does he really understand the topic ?
I can't agree with that at all .... not after experiencing a few university professors that were unable to explain their 100 level courses because their brains couldn't leave their phd level thought.
Also had a math teacher in high school that wrote the book we were using to study from but was unable to get his points across to 80 percent of the class... Only us top students understood him and we had to explain it to our other friends.
Teaching is very different from knowing and understanding.
time is what you make of it
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procrastination steals it from you. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 9:21:02 PM | "These two clocks, cell division and circadian cycle clocks, are carefully coordinated in action. Recent studies of these timer processes linked dysfunction of the clockwork with the pathogenesis of cancer. Disruption of circadian timing (as occurs in jet-lag, shift work and dementia) thus has far reaching consequences for normal regulation of cell division."
Yikes! are you saying disruptions create pathogenisis of cancer, or that it has been found that in cancerous patient, there is a disruption of circadian timing? (layman's terms please) | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 9:24:22 PM | Time tripper..."Couldn't we ourselves be those forces that might distort time?????"
deep thoughts...I am sure that most of us are missing..."our part in the equation"... | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/25/2008 9:36:40 PM | HO2
mmm....I'm a teacher...I don't know everything. I know alot. I also know that organizing oneself...is important in helping others understand what you are saying....and having notes...is also important if you want to make sure that you don't forget important points that need to be made...One distraction in education, is the student...is live...there with you...interacting with you...and it is verrrrry easy to get carried away with answering a student's question...and you can have a question outside of your expertise, that is still relevant to the topic at hand. (I LOVE when this happens).
The important thing in teaching, is to pass on AS MUCH knowledge as possible, and not to be limited by what one knows...I hope that if I were a student...asking a thought provoking question, which included information that the instructor was not completely certain about--that the teacher would feel comfortable, exploring that...even if it meant...hopping onto google...helping me FIND the answer in context....making connections...is what is important...not knowing the answer....is what motivates us to move forward....and with ALL the modern knowledge and technology...well...knowledge is snowballing just like technology is...we hope...and the very latest answer isn't going to be in a school book that is FOR SURE...and I hate to say it...but its not going to be in the mind of a recent college grad either, no matter his accomplishments...it will be online...and the MOMENT its posted...it begins to change...and grow...so be sure to keep an open mind...and don't think you ever know it all...and the best teachers (leaders in education) will be those who are willing to learn alongside students...because knowledge is going to be hitting us hard and as fast as you can say...satellite or fiberoptics! | |
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Posted: 11/25/2008 9:37:25 PM | | lol.....you must have a life....or..you must really know...lol | |
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Posted: 11/26/2008 12:39:45 AM | | Time outsmarts all in the end. Thankfully we have memories. And if we don't,let Father Death spirit us away quickly. Definitions of time are like definitions of God. Not easily proven. Debate of time becomes shallow quickly. | |
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Posted: 11/26/2008 1:37:03 AM | hellooo...anybody there? uhm...I was just wondering...what time is it?
anybody? helllooooo???? perhaps its time...to rest. Good night. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 5:49:57 AM | I still debate that time is tainted by the standards we put on it.
We measure it with instruments that we make and the measuring of it can only be as good as the instruments, as technology expands we find more complex or intricate ways to measure it, but we are still measuring against what we set in the first place. Time is a concept, its not some thing physical and even if it was its still limited by our ability to examine it.
For instance we thought the world was flat then when we found out it wasnt. We thing we know what orbits our earth and then on day with new technology we find a new planet. Our understanding of how things work is limited by what we already know, but it is the believing that there may be more that we make new discoveries.
Its by thinking outside of the box and having the courage to examine those unorthidox ideas that makes the great discoveries.
All you have to do to understand that is watch some old sci fi movies and see how many of the way out unbelievably ridiculous ideas are now part of our everyday world.
Its late here, Im off to bed. Night all! | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 9:13:25 AM | I think everything possible exists in the space-time contiuum NOW (all forms of energy) and given infinite amount of time everything will happen...Perhaps Time isn't linear; there may be no beginning or end to it.
We of course don't have the ability to see this...we are limited by our senses. If you had the whole of consciousness perhaps you'd be able to see it?????
It's like a motion picture with frames, you can't view the each frame simultaneously and get the movie, you must view each frame individually to give you the impression of "change"...giving you the ability to view the movie..
I think right now we are all just viewing one possibility in the space-time continuum. Yet that doesn't mean the other ones aren't there.
Another interesting thing to think about is try to define what PRESENT is.....your present right now was your future moments ago and now that present has slipped off into the "past"....
So yeah if you asked me what time was, I'd tell you I don't know. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 2:20:09 PM |
Time isn't linear
In fact it's rather likely time is circular ( or at least closed ) but it's a rather big "circle" | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 3:06:43 PM |
In fact it's rather likely time is circular
That's why clocks are round. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 9:09:26 PM | Clocks are round so we can do things 'round the clock. One o'clock... 2 o'clock... 3 o'clock... rock.
People predicted that the idiom "clockwise" would outlive round clocks when the first few digital wristwatches showed up. Now nobody wears a watch, yet everyone knows the price of time, but not the value of "quality time". | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 9:57:55 PM | | to the average person, time is just a word we use to mark happennings as t relates to what has transpired, and the measurements are used to gage put an educated guess on what we hope will and sometime know will transpire. That it represents a form of energy...or is closely related to movement, that everything is actually happening all at once and our ability to see it amd measure it ..is limited a by the apperent lad because of our proximity to things in the rest of the universe, is a small reprentation of just how limited our view of the universe is. Time is only a form of measuring the flow of, and uniform marking of a portion of energy. we use it to help us speak the same langue...perhaps the circular calendars were trying to represent that time is a tool which can be carried... the closer you are to the core of something...the more immediate something seems to transpire...change the center of reference...and you change the perception and interaction with energy that is being measured... | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/26/2008 9:59:24 PM | | to the average person, time is just a word we use to mark happennings as t relates to what has transpired, and the measurements are used to gage put an educated guess on what we hope will and sometime know will transpire. That it represents a form of energy...or is closely related to movement, that everything is actually happening all at once and our ability to see it amd measure it ..is limited a by the apperent lad because of our proximity to things in the rest of the universe, is a small reprentation of just how limited our view of the universe is. Time is only a form of measuring the flow of, and uniform marking of a portion of energy. we use it to help us speak the same langue...perhaps the circular calendars were trying to represent that time is a tool which can be carried... the closer you are to the core of something...the more immediate something seems to transpire...change the center of reference...and you change the perception and interaction with energy that is being measured... | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/27/2008 8:38:02 PM | | I highly recommend that all on this posting imbibe in some psychedelic drugs like L.S.D. It would certainly bolster your arguments... but can you realistically stay there? I think that the measuring of time is relevant, sensible and worthwhile. Until you are over forty-five and they throw you into the dustbin of the has-beens. Geez, thats a poem.Time is indeed something that continues and continues. And does not confer favours as it passes. It leaves you high and dry and on your own. Without apology. Of course this does not apply to well-educated and financed beings. That is definitely a different story. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/27/2008 9:13:20 PM | mmmmmm donut ......
lsd ..... mmmmmmmm .... donut ......
time is like a donut
isn't it?
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/27/2008 9:38:47 PM | | Time stands still with Dragonmead and good friends, at least for a few hours. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 9:52:26 PM | | LSD and time arguments were never that silly....ummm...donut...etc. Visuals sometimes were.... BUT not the inside of the TIME you were in. You could easily lose your identity and then what the hell did TIME matter. Time is firstly a luxury, then possibly a threat. Explore, enjoy, explore...then let go. | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/28/2008 1:18:59 AM | The word "time" has often times been used inappropriately and then just absorbed into our phrases.
Time is used to measure the growing and aging process in people, but we know that that is not a accurate measure of aging in different people. Take a group of 50 year olds and evaluate their physical condition and you will quickly realise that measuring a persons aging process by the orbit of the earth is not a successful or useful tool, and we wont even go into using that to evaluate a persons mental maturation.
We all know how individual we are in our physical and mental make ups and also spirtually if you are open to that, yet we insist in using the cycle of the earth as a measure in the evolution of our individual lives and that of humanity. Gees, we even allow that dogs dont fit in with our earth year and give them the couteousy of "dog years".
We are not a planet that orbits through space.
I like clocks, their slow rythmic ticking is like a gentle calm heartbeat.
Ah maybe we should measure time by the beating of our hearts!!!!! | |
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| What is TIME ??
Posted: 11/28/2008 5:43:15 AM | "Perhaps instead of looking outwardly for answers we should be looking within.
Maybe we are underestimating our power in it."
I think we can never underestimate our power to learn about the physical characteristics of the universe we live in by turning our sights to what's within ourselves.
"I still debate that time is tainted by the standards we put on it."
I'm with you on that, too. Down with US Eastern Standard Time! (GMT -5.00h.) | |
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