acorn
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Msg: 151 | |
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Naamah
| | Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 152 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/15/2009 12:22:39 AM | If i was a chicken id worry more about getting my babies taken away and eaten than my living conditions.
Errrm...calling an egg 'a baby' is about as accurate as calling rooster sperm, 'a baby'. Even with heat applied, the eggs won't ever produce any 'babies' in them unless the hen has access to a c0ck.
Oh look, there's one. | |
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/15/2009 12:49:34 AM | | ^^^^ Naaah that's not a c0ck, here borrow my binoculars, it's just a pr1ck and a small limp one at that. | |
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acorn
| | Joined: 9/17/2009
Msg: 154 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/15/2009 7:22:33 AM |
Why do chickens lay the eggs?
do they want to have them to make babies, to rear and love?
or do they want humans to take and eat their young???
If i was a chicken id worry more about getting my babies taken away and eaten
Sounds like your heart's in the right place but I wonder if you have read this thread from the beginning...because you seem to have skipped a few beats.For example..
most here admitted that they eat the young but then say its cruel to eat eggs from CAGED HENS, what a laugh
Most here will say that they eat eggs but it is your misunderstanding that has you refer to them as the young.What's cruel is the sh1tfull conditions these creatures are forced to endure in order to supply the eggs.
I'm sure that if you were to read the posts of those who have researched the subject ,who have given their posts considerable thought and those who are actively involved in turning the tide on this cruelty,assuming that the subject actually interests you,then we will all see that your heart is in the right place and that you have something valuable to contribute. | |
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Naamah
| | Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 155 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/15/2009 5:40:58 PM | ^^^ It's lovely of you to be so earnest...but your earnestness is wasted on a troll whose only interest is stirring. It's as close to being passionate about anything as some people get, and I think they are just really uncomfortable with other people caring about anything. It's always easier to kick a sandcastle down if you lack the ability to build one yourself. Just let him do what he needs to do to feel ok. It can't be easy being that way.  | |
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/15/2009 8:25:08 PM | "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg."
Samuel Butler (19th century British author)
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Posted: 12/15/2009 11:41:07 PM | | thanks namaah3 for putting all the facts so descriptively. I always buy freerange eggs, I hate the hideous things done ot chooks caged and barn..I hear Great Britain is outlawing caged eggs..is that true do you know. When are we going to do the same? | |
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acorn
| | Joined: 9/17/2009
Msg: 159 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/16/2009 6:29:22 AM |
It's lovely of you to be so earnest...but your earnestness is wasted on a troll whose only interest is stirring.
Oh damn..was I being earnest again!!?
Thanks Naamah,I guess I still have a lot to learn about about the forum world.
(I'm just popping off now to look up earnest in the dictionary....I'm sure I'll find it just above egg) | |
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Naamah
| | Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 160 | |
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Naamah
| | Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 161 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/17/2009 5:09:03 PM | You said:
whether or not i believe in what i wrote that doesnt matter
And the site defines a troll as:
# Troll noun, adj., verb (discussion board slang)
1. Can be someone who is "trolling" for Responses, the Way a Fisherman trolls for Fish - he puts a baited Hook in the Water and sees how many Nibbles he gets on it....
3. Any Series of Forum Messages from a Poster who is set on causing Conflict or provoking other Posters. Also called "Troll Post or Posting".
4. Continuously calling upon, drawing out and challenging a Poster(s) by Way of personal Comments, offbeat Remarks, Insults and Attacks to press for or provoke a Reply.
can someone tell me how to report people?
You can do so here. http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts12578637.aspx | |
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/17/2009 9:58:32 PM | i went into bunnings last year as i was thinking of buying a cheap chinese drill. I spoke to the old bloke that helps customers out and I told him about how amazed that I was that they could build a drill and sell it for $15 at the time.
He told me that it was less than half that price on the docks at freo. So I started to think about all the metal being used in the drill and copper winding on the electric motor and the gears that had to be made and the assembling of it by workers ..... and I wondered how much the chinese workers got from a single drill....probably close to nothing...
and here is where it ties in with the topic.....does anyone really care if people are being paid a pittance in an overseas country to make something for them? I dont think so.
I certainly worry more about these people than a few chooks...and while I think the plight of the birds reflects a certain nastiness in our society, it's the fact that a billion people don't know what they are going to be eating today which really causes me to think... | |
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Naamah
| | Joined: 6/13/2009
Msg: 163 | |
| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/17/2009 10:30:55 PM | and here is where it ties in with the topic.....does anyone really care if people are being paid a pittance in an overseas country to make something for them? I dont think so.
I certainly worry more about these people than a few chooks...and while I think the plight of the birds reflects a certain nastiness in our society, it's the fact that a billion people don't know what they are going to be eating today which really causes me to think...
I appreciate your point and yes, I care. Sweatshop labour is certainly an issue. Similar thoughts have been raised in posts 28, 93 and 101 as well. There have been various responses ....
eg. Julian said in post 104
It has been my experience that those of us that are involved in animal rights issues are generally also involved in human rights issues.
And I said somewhere...
Perspective is indeed important, especially when you realise that it's not the suffering people in Uganda and Iraq who are keeping chooks in cruel conditions to supply Australia with eggs, it's Australians. In my mind it's not logical to use the suffering of others as an excuse for us to continue being cruel to animals, but then I am not looking for any.
Battery hens aren't all that matter in ths world, but I think most people have big enough hearts, and brains, to care about more than one issue at a time. This particular thread just happens to be about battery hens.
It's also something we can do something about, easily and simply, through consumer choices. I see no sense in letting the fact the we feel powerless about some of the stuff going on in this world stop us from doing anything about issues that we can have an impact on.
Might as well throw in this quote from The Unbearable Lightness of Being...
True human goodness can manifest itself, in all its purity and liberty, only in regard to those who have no power. The true moral test of humanity (the most radical, situated on a level so profound that it escapes our notice) lies in its relations to those who are at its mercy: the animals.
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 12/17/2009 11:01:17 PM |
i went into bunnings last year as i was thinking of buying a cheap chinese drill hey, did you buy the drill? | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 6:38:53 AM | 7 pages of chooks & eggs
i saw no mention of the fact that its the
ROOSTER that cum 1st | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 8:00:24 AM |
7 pages of chooks & eggs
i saw no mention of the fact that its the
ROOSTER that cum 1st
Really? This is from message 134 - just one page back...
Anyway, the answer to the question of which came first, “the chicken or the egg”?
. . is of course . . the Rooster !
I guess you didn't look real hard hey? Because you seem to have missed the OP as well. If you had read it, you'd know the actual thread topic is -
The issue of caged hen egg production is one that I feel very strongly about (so forgive me if I get on a soapbox a bit with this), and I wondered where others might fall on the scale of having strong opinions about this or never having thought about it.
/snip/
I guess what I'm curious about is how many people think about this stuff when they buy eggs? Do you give any thought to their origins? And do you think there should be more information on egg boxes? (Personally I'd like to see it compulsory to show a pic of what the chooks look like...not glamour publicity shots, but the real deal...and I encourage everyone to google some pics and info on caged hen egg production and see how much worse it is than just being an issue about confining them.) | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 11:09:32 AM | | Of course the Rooter came first - oops Rooster - I had eggs (apparently) found out at age 34 - he turns 16 in April - hope that explains it to all those with NO clue | |
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Posted: 3/14/2010 9:32:40 PM | I offered to pay the difference between cage and free range eggs for a pensioner couple today and they accepted.....so my eggs were bloody expensive but im feeling a bit spesh.
Sometimes its good to be an animal libbing freak.........
In hindsight, if they were rich but tight pensioners im going to be really p1ssed off.......... | |
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Posted: 3/14/2010 9:37:12 PM |
In hindsight, if they were rich but tight pensioners im going to be really p1ssed off..........
awwww they will be thinking about you first thing in the morning for a week...
remember that nice sweet girl.. frank?.. the one who shared her eggs with us..?
ha ha ha ha..
ok.. i just woke up from my nana nap..
IM purely amusing myself..
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 3/15/2010 3:23:08 AM |
The difference is, saltytowers, people have CHOICES and the right/freedom to make those choices.....those poor chickens do not have the same rights....
Yes. This is because they are chickens. | |
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 3/30/2012 1:03:05 AM | Apparently yesterday saw the end of all battery cages in the UK and the EU. Makes me wonder why its so hard here.  | |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 9:49:33 PM | With you on this 100%!! I am a vegetarian primarily because of the way these industries operate rather than the actual principal. I have no issue with people eating meat but it needs to be humane,
I have my own chookies but buy free range if I need additional. Good karma I reckon! | |
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| The chickens AND the eggs
Posted: 4/1/2012 4:20:45 PM | The difference is, saltytowers, people have CHOICES and the right/freedom to make those choices.....those poor chickens do not have the same rights.... Yes. This is because they are chickens.
Actually it's not 'because they are chickens'. It is because humans are in the position of dictating what freedoms and rights other species have, and we say chickens don't have any. We have assumed the position of giving and taking rights...so if it is because of anything, it is because we are humans.
Perhaps you merely meant to indicate that this is the reality we exist within at this point in time - a reality where humans do not allow chickens any rights of choice or freedom - and if you'd said that, it would indeed be accurate. But I guess to say it that way would be to acknowledge that it is our doing, and our responsibility, and something we do have the capacity to change. Instead, the way you lay it at the feet of the chickens for being chickens, and state it is "because" they are chickens (with that sort of 'well derrrr' tone of response to someone) is really just about trying to attribute some sense of justice or inevitability to humans treating animals badly when really it merely stems from our own sense of righteousness about our human entitlement to deny rights to those we have deemed inferior.
Of course you can argue that it is the way of nature that the strongest, or those in power, make the rules for those in a weaker position. Certainly cruel dictators who assume power and inflict atrocities onto other humans who are of some religion or race or ethnicity that they have deemed inferior, and, accordingly, have decided to strip of all rights of choice and freedom, are known for attributing blame to the victim for whatever nasty treatment they dole out. "They deserve it, because they are nothing but lowly (insert whatever the point of difference is)." And they probably believe that wholeheartedly, from their rosy position of greater power, pleasure and convenience. We've been there too, when our society still denied rights and freedoms to women and slaves...because they were women/black. Saying that was the reason didn't make it just or right even then, even though it was indeed the reality of those times. These particular kinds of situations do not arise because those enduring suffering are what they are, but because the dominant group or dictator is in a position of dictating and inflicting, and they are what they are. It is merely more comfortable for the perpetrator to blame the victim for their own cruelty. That it might be a reality at that point in time, does not imply that it is in any way just / fair / right / natural / inevitable / the only way to do things.
There is nothing about being born a chicken that comes with any more or less capability to exercise choice or freedom than any other species born. And really, there is nothing about being born a chicken that comes with any more or less right to exercise choice or freedom than any other species born. For all life, it is the circumstances it is born into that will dictate what rights and freedoms are afforded, rather than being some sort of genetically preordained thing as conveyed by the phrase "this is because they are chickens". It is a sad fact for chickens that humans have set things up for their own convenience and pleasure with scant regard for pain inflicted on their species. But it strikes me as pretty blinkered thinking to believe that this is somehow just and fair, or to gloss over it as being all their own fault by being stupid enough to be born chickens, merely because we humans are on the winning end of the arrangement. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 9:05:36 PM | | I've worked in the industry. It's not hormones, it's extra protein which they are fed with thier grain. This plumps up the muscle on a bird, the same as it does in a human: therefore you end up with a bird whose bosum is so plump, she can't stand. It used to take 74 days to incubate an egg; it's reduced to 56. I was raised on a dairy farm and if you cant eat it or wear it; forget it. Bugger humane..wtf is grain fed cow all about hey? Cows used to eat grass...seen where mc donalds source their beef and chicken from lately? Soap-box big businesses. They care about as much as I ;-) | |
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