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 sombient
Joined: 2/7/2007
Msg: 51
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Im not sure were you have been for the past 50 years of science, but as long as I have been alive physics must be measured with some numbers.


For 30 of the past 50 years, I have BEEN a scientist.

When you speak of cause and effect on a physical level, you use physics to test and study it, you MODEL it with mathematics.

The question here is whether thought waves can influence matter at a distance. That is the realm of physics, and its why physicists were asked to review the film for its technical content.

Their conclusion was that the movie is chocablock with dangerous pseudoscience.

The site (http://www.rickross.com/) is temporarily down due to server upgrade.
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 52
Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/9/2007 6:59:25 PM
You continue to use measurement even as you answer posts... I can admit when Im wrong..

"...thought waves.....matter....distance" grade 8 science can clarify what I mean ...

How are these measured?? are your going to tell me the are measured by theory and models and not by math.. you say you are a scientist, even I am by definition. Its just that you have choosen the wrong point to argue.

"chocablock with dangerous pseudoscience" <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>

..for those of us who can read and count know very well, who dont need such reviews, remember what we learned as children "never believe what someone tells you, prove it!" I would not suggest scientists dont protect the public and confused people, but to clarify so they dont destroy good work/faith in new/theoretical science...

I think your saying that with NO MATHEMATICAL BACKGROUND OR RESEARCH asides from what your profession requires, I have mentioned and keep mentioning quantum PHYSICS alongside the string theory as a begining point for you reaserch. You have not suggested anything new asides from quotes that defend your opinion of someone else's opinion <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0> ; which I have noted. I mentioned early on that curiosity lead me to my RESEARCH then I confirmed SOME of my REASEARCH with some of the mathmatical discoveries made with such theories. I can only invite you to share your RESEARCH and view my RESEARCH. Then you can understand you are flawed in you opinion of an opinion.

At this point I will stop repeating myself. Thank you for your post. I await to view your attempt to provide EVIDENCE or REASEARCH not mere propaganda your read somewere..

EDIT: I will eagerly await the return of the site you mentioned earlier, Im glad someone is protecting people who dont have the time or capactiy to REASEARCH what other people tell them..I will then finally have a cute disclaimer to add to my research.

~nolochemical -We can only attemp to reverse engineer the future..for now!!

 saltytowers
Joined: 1/28/2007
Msg: 53
Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/9/2007 7:02:42 PM
OMG! My spoon just bent! All by itself

Of course the discussion being held here...and science and sceintists trying to prove or recreate the process through mechanical means is....ummmm

Indigenous groups and societies have been employing energy based communication and manipulation of matter for eons.

I suppose if someone brainwashed me saying I couldnt walk over and over..I would eventually stop walking.

Not that I cant walk. My belief that I can walk has been destroyed. My actions based on that belief would create the physical fact after a while. The physical facts would then be held up as proof that I can indeed not walk, which would actually be true, provable and proven.

Lets go back a little way to PRE indoctrination times.

Forget preconceived (aka learned) ideas.

Has anyone simply 'tried it'?
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 54
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Posted: 3/9/2007 7:14:12 PM
...I though about a cute girl for years, she finally gave me her number one day, i wish I had set a timeline for when I wanted to be with her..she turned out to have some real bad morning breathe...think I wasted to much time thinking about her...

seriously..I am in the process of testing the theory..Im trying to get a scholarship or grant from Harverrd (not a typo - harverrd doesnt give scholarships.)to get my PHD in Mathmatics oh and a goldfish..I thought if I did at least one it would be confirmed..

~nolochemical - We can only attemp to reverse engineer the future...for now!!
 sombient
Joined: 2/7/2007
Msg: 55
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Posted: 3/9/2007 8:29:22 PM
Sir, the burden of proof lies for you to provide, not I.

Physicists long past their college days, who have been active in research for decades like myself, they have called the DVD that has you completely snowed, hogwash.

You think its possible to prove - do it. Show us your evidence.
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 56
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Posted: 3/10/2007 12:14:49 PM
I have nothing to prove to you or anyone, Im not selling you brand new flying vacuum ... I never once said its possible to prove with math or otherwise, I suggested with the reasearch I have found, its highly probable that the ideas and theories described in the dvds AND this statement " Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ? " are true. I once again find myself repeating myself...

You as a self proclaimed scientist should know a good percentage of what we expect to be true is based on or was at one point based on theory. In the spirit of learning and sharing knowledge I will provide some articles to view that have brought me great insight.

~nolochemical - We can only attempt to reverse engineer the future..for now!!
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 57
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Posted: 3/10/2007 1:02:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory - Great general info

http://superstringtheory.com/experm/exper2a.html - I have provide the advanced model, there is also "beginner/simplified data" for others to read here.

http://superstringtheory.com/history/index.html - timeline of mathematics and theoretical physics - here you will find everything you need for the "technical side" of our conversation.

http://www.qtp.ufl.edu/flayman.html -
Interesting article, its on the main page - Hendrik J. Monkhorst Research Group

http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quantum.html
-States and Quantum Numbers -
..systems are described by the set of possible states in which they may be found...

I will not be presenting calculations about human mental capacity and molecular measurements untill I can get better correlations with the numbers/models. The work being done in this area is still very new and theoretical. Yet with the technical data provided you would have 80% of the equation done for you. You would only have to find a source you trust to use there human technical data.

1)calculate the characteristics of molecular motion and how it applies to physics.
2)Use the human data you collected to see the relationships with molecular movement and intentional/unintentional thinking :
A)the number of molecules "working/active" in the average human brain during intense thought and intense emotional stimuli.
B)number of molecules during sleep and wakefulness - wanted to see if the numbers changed much.(optional for reasons I wont explain here..)
C) Tests completed on subjects in a controlled environment

This is an extremely simplified explanation, so much more reasearch will need to be done to sharpen any characteristics you will find...It has taken me years. I will not share any of my personal research unless you are up to speed with the calculations and
we had an understand about confidentiality. I think I mentioned before that there are undisclosed thinktanks around the world trying to confirm these and many other theories, join one so you can gather realtime data about current models and discoveries.

~nolochemical - We can only attempt to reverse engineer the future ..for now!!
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
Msg: 58
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Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/10/2007 1:47:10 PM
I visited a website back before the BCS Football Championship game. They were keeping track of how many hits the Ohio State web site got, vs. the Florida web site. The Gators web site got many more visits than the OSU web site all the way up till game time.
Does this prove anything ? No, but it is interesting and this sort of study has been done many times before with the same results.

If you went back in time and tried to explain 4th dimensional geometry to Euclid himself he probably wouldn't understand it. He certainly wouldn't understand Calculus.
There are a great many interesting things which happen around us which we don't understand. Yet, who's to say that 100 years from now these things will be easily understood and even practically utilized in our everyday life ? Some future Newton or Einstein might invent a new way of looking at things which will seem so obvious to them, yet mysterious to us now .
As the astronomer Neil De Grasse Tyson says...
There is only %2 difference genetically between humans and chimpanzee. Imagine that in 10,000 years, humans have evolved who have a %2 genetic advantage over present humans and they could have the same understanding of the universe compared to us, that we have compared to the chimpanzee.
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 59
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Posted: 3/10/2007 3:02:48 PM
I think its a bit more interesting because we are inbetween discoveries.

In a few months there will be a brand spanking new toy - "Large Hadron Collider" - http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/AboutCERN/CERNFuture/CERNFuture-en.html to test theories with. When and if the public will get the real data who knows, but the possibility is there that we as humans can get one step closer to reaching our full potential.

If that entails gaining X-men like abilities, hey why not?
I think if Euclid or any of the past scientist were alive they would be pretty excited to know that they could test or confirm there theories.

~nolo
 2findU
Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 3/10/2007 4:54:19 PM
Frankly, I don't think so. That's more like Sci-Fi.
 regularguy52
Joined: 1/14/2007
Msg: 61
Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/10/2007 5:34:10 PM
I don't know on the molecular level, but at the quantum level:yes. It's a place where two objects can and do occupy the same place at the same time, and is likely the place/time where multiple dimensions touch and perhaps occasionally interact. It's very much like the entire universe in miniature. In reading other posts there is a huge divergence of opinion. All I can say is it's a good thing Columbus, Einstein, the Wrights, Enrico Fermi, Galilao, Copernicus to name a few didn't listen to the prevailing "wisdom" of their respective days.
 Mr H2O
Joined: 10/31/2006
Msg: 62
Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/10/2007 9:33:33 PM
Wow, very few posts about how the brain really works,
yet people are posting about string theory and quantum mechanics.
Perhaps it's better to do a deep dive into what makes our brains tick first.

Here is one for everyone to consider
- we use all our brains, not just 10 % .

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

 deagleninja
Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 63
Can thoughts influence things on a molecular level ?
Posted: 3/11/2007 8:24:12 AM

For 30 of the past 50 years, I have BEEN a scientist.


Well I don't know if 'technical oracle' qualifies for being a scientist Sombient...

...but On Topic, there is some evidence that thoughts influence randomness.

I was watching a program where people were put in rooms with random number generating machines and over long periods of time the machines 'leaned' in the direction of the subjects rather than getting closer to a stastical average. Pretty cool stuff actually.

It reminds me of Enrico's posts about particle physics.
 raraavis41
Joined: 9/20/2006
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Posted: 3/11/2007 7:55:00 PM

I was watching a program where people were put in rooms with random number generating machines and over long periods of time the machines 'leaned' in the direction of the subjects rather than getting closer to a stastical average.


Gee, I wonder if they "leaned" the other way after a longer period of time? Without a statistical significance of whatever you are describing, you'd do just as well trying to control a coin flip.
 Undamagedgoods
Joined: 3/4/2007
Msg: 65
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Posted: 3/11/2007 7:59:16 PM
well, let's put it this way, the average cathode ray tube television has about a quadrillion or more order of magnitude over the joules( energy) over the human mind's total content.
Have you ever seen any objects in your television room move due to a change in your TV's picture change?

Also, 1/100th degree change in your body temperature will change the movement of air molecules due to convection currents. And that still is trillions of times the measured energy in the human mind.

The answer is a decidedly NO.
 wmike82
Joined: 1/24/2007
Msg: 66
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Posted: 3/11/2007 8:25:33 PM
What if you 'discovered' how to use temperature change and a chemical usage energy currently unused and/or un'discovered'? On top of this, it first takes the understanding of the basics about how a brain works, and keeps other 'unconventionally' functioning organs working for a lifespan (huge requirement of conscious understanding of the human body).

If you set out to optimize the basics, you can get to your goal. You just need to learn to learn more than 'just' what your focusing on learning about!
 box within a box
Joined: 4/17/2005
Msg: 67
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Posted: 3/11/2007 10:14:45 PM
"We can't "see" these particles without bouncing something off of them, either light (energy) or another particle (matter) and when you do this, you change the characteristics of the particle.

imagine trying to tell which way a billiard ball is moving and how fast by either squirting it with water and see where it splashes, or hitting it with another ball and seeing where it bounces. You might get a measurement, but you also change the velocity of the ball.

the fact that an observation is being made isn't what changes the particle,
it's just that there doesn't seem to be a way to observe a particle without changing it."

I don't know what this^^ has to do with influencing things using thoughts but thanks for explaining to me uncertainty principle...: ), finally I understand something

I think that our electrical impulses in the brain and the physioligcial affect that comes as aresult of them can affect others' brain impulses. Like if you are exhibiting really negative energy you actually create a stronger magnetic fild around you maybe...haha maybe they tested that I don't know. But people do definitely have auras of energy around them like when theyre happy or mad. Is htis aura actually electo-magnetic in nature I dont know.

Also, radio waves, microwaves, brain waves, are passing through the same space time...sometimes if i have the coomputer and music and tv on at the same time I get aheadache...so there is a connection between all these different waves producing intereference patterens/. So yeah, I think our brains have an affect on other people but only indirectly by means of the human aura...this soundsso metaphysical...there is my pseudo-scientific spout for the day..ahhhhhhh
 nolochemical
Joined: 11/18/2006
Msg: 68
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Posted: 3/12/2007 8:55:00 AM
"We can't "see" these particles without bouncing something off of them, either light (energy) or another particle (matter) and when you do this, you change the characteristics of the particle.


I dont quite agree with this statement...Alot of the theories about particle movement are mainly being tested with "bouncing method" beacause it shows the affect of the bouncing. So while we want to keep the natural characteristics of the electrons movement intact, we still need a way to view the movement.

Scientists are using the methods that are practical yet very complex. Electrons move so quickly its very near impossible to see where one would came from,where they are going, or if its the same one that you started following..

So what do you do:

A) create a starting point to make measurements from
B)by knowing the starting point you can 'follow'/'predict' what movement is actually taking place ex.. we bounced it about here , by our calcualtions it should be halfway to the objective.
C)view the characteristics the electron makes at the 'finishing point'

This is an extremely simplified version of what happens in a particle accelerator. It would be a great human milestone to view electron movement so easily.The technology required to view rapidly moving electrons like stationary objects does not currently exist, publicly anyway. Thats why we spend billions of dollars to construct a 'smasher' tens of miles longs. A few posts ago I mentioned the new collider(a variation of the accelerator) which is almost complete at the CERN laboratories, you should check out the process its quite interesting.

~nolochemical - We can only attempt to reverse engineer the future..for now!!
 fifth element
Joined: 11/14/2006
Msg: 69
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Posted: 3/13/2007 10:17:26 AM
the second....you make intention or thought........it sends out a vibration\freq.\ through out the universe..... the best example is healing- the healer raises there energy and the sick physical body automaticaly(patient) raises to meet the higher vibration....
this is a universal law.........................the "coral castal" , was built by both intention and the octave of 12........... this is a acient science........ we all can manipulate "aether", but only adepts understand................................................
 UrbanX
Joined: 10/26/2006
Msg: 70
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Posted: 3/13/2007 11:44:08 AM
All evidence to date is that thoughts cannot influence anything directly, but can achieve absolutely amazingly mindblowing things indirectly.

After all, it is thinking that has led humanity into space, the deepest extents of the oceans and to the smallest particles. It is thinking that has enabled us as individuals to see people on the other side of the world and talk to them. It is thinking that has enabled us to fly across the country or around the world. It is thinking that has doubled our lifespans. It is thinking that has allowed the enormous esthetic achievements of humanity.

Why look for something else than enormous glories like this? Why aren't people satisfied with being magical, beautiful, long-lived creatures if viewed through the eyes of a peasant from the dark ages?

Yes, thought has led to humanity having the ability to do molecular manipulation. Not with the unaided power of brain waves, but with the machines built by thinkers.

Cheers,
Mike (compare and contrast: Merlin's powers versus your technologically-enabled abilities)
 Horizon Hunter
Joined: 5/31/2006
Msg: 71
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Posted: 3/16/2007 5:43:57 PM
WOW.... Mr. H2O you're starting excellent topics!!!!!

I just responded to your one on what is time???

Anyhow... I haven't taken the time to read ALL of the above responses, but some of them are very insightful.

I would like to take a quick moment to remind people of the Global Consciousness Project. It is a project utilizing random number generators strategically located in various parts of the world to detect fluxuations in human consciousness. Two of the most significant fluxes have been with the death of Princess Diana, and of course the tragic 9/1/1 . :( ............
........In these however, the random number generators would generate numeric patterns which in turn would produce pixilation printouts on a computer. These pixilation printouts would ressemble very small patterns of color imprintation, but would have remarkable pattersn during global events that seemed to ultimate effect the thoughts and feelings of people everywhere...

Another interesting experiment is the one in which people are shown random calming pictures.... and then suddenly shown one of a horrific or terrifying scene. The brain wave reader.. (LOL.. I have no idea what to call it scientifically)... picks up stimulus impulses related to the horrific picture before it appears!! It's suggesting that we somehow have a connection with stimulus, and in particular matter that is Pre-time.
Strange but true. Of course this leads back to H2O's earlier question... what is time?
 sombient
Joined: 2/7/2007
Msg: 72
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Posted: 3/16/2007 6:08:16 PM
Something seriously WRONG with that Global Consciousness Meter!

When we got many thousands dying in wars. We got major-ass earthquakes, tsunami and hurricanes, with huge loss of life and property.

You trying to tell me that the death of antiquated Brit Royalty wannabe registers as a big shockwave?

Jesus H Christ.

Guess you'll wanna head down to the Religion and the Supernatural subforum where there is a thread on EPV (or whatever it is, sounds like the name of a Japanese minivan model). You can use your GCM to listen for I dunno...extra-terrestrials, I guess.
 nipoleon
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Posted: 3/17/2007 10:41:06 AM
When your dog sits in front of your stereo and he hears the music.
He doesn't understand what music is, but he can conceive that there's something going on.
We see and experience the universe around us. Some things we understand, some things we don't.
We sence there's something going on, but our minds arn't developed enough to understand what it is.
I don't think it's possible to actually influence things to happen, at our present state of mental development. I do think it's possible to tune into the natural flow of events and use them to our advantage. Rather like the ships captain who sails when the winds and tide are favorable.
Awareness is most important now, later, we can think about actually making things happen.
 Creammy
Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 3/23/2007 8:21:37 AM
How's this thought for influencing a molecular level
 silivros
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Posted: 3/23/2007 7:10:41 PM
Indeed we do use all of our brain. The 10 % is all that the religion that is known as science is able to comprehend at this moment.

Argue for your limitations and they are yours.

Love this post dihydrogen oxyide.
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