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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/26/2008 3:29:06 PM | Which sport is tougher..... Hmmmm........... Well running back and forth and back and forth and back and forth will ware you down a bit. Having that puck hit you in the teeth or your face. Slamming someone into a Plexiglas wall with a slap from the stick to the back ......... hmmmm Tougher
Oh wait Pedro would say they are sissies because they where padding and protective gear. Hmmmm where do I stand now. Hmmmm ............. Hockey is still tougher | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/26/2008 3:50:02 PM | I said from the very outset that I am a fan of US sports but that I thought it was silly to refer to a domestic league winner as a world champion. So how exactly does that make me not a fan? Wandy, how could you win THAT argument...there's nothing to argue with there.
The only thing you tried to prove is that I bashed US sports like Frankster and Pedro until you actually went back and read the posts and realized that they were the ones making insulting comments about hockey and so there was nothing you could quote from me showing that I didn't like US sports. The only things I said I didn't approve of were the doping scandals (which I said was a world problem) and the insistence on calling yourself a world champion when you're not. When you strip away all of your hysterical remarks, you'll find that you've not actually made a case AT ALL... | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/26/2008 5:25:41 PM | This thread is tougher on my body than EITHER sport......
It's time for this sucker to die, already.
Put a soccer player on a hockey rink, and put a hockey player on the pitch somewhere and see which one lasts longer. The soccer guy would be diving for the ice like he was shot with a bazooka long before he took the first hit. Case closed.
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 1:52:48 AM | | I don't post on many of the threads going currently about Clemens, over-rated quarterbacks etc because, unlike a number of other people who know nothing about soccer (i.e. YOU I've seen some of your posts on soccer...you're a laughable idiot) for example, I don't consider my opinion to be particularly well informed concerning games where my experience is quite limited. Unlike others, just because I've thrown an American football around, or played a bit of baseball or played on a basketball team, I don't think that makes me very knowledgeable about any of those games. Soccer or rugby...I've been playing those at a high level since I was a child and know the sports inside and out. And, while I lived in Boston, I followed baseball in particular quite closely and watched pretty much every game (went to quite a few as well) because I fell in love with it. If someone's pitching well that's one of the best things to watch...so what exactly is your problem? Where did I say something in particular about baseball...you really are beginnng to sound like a demented little muppet on speed...make a point...not an empty accusation...you're boring the hell out of me...it's not even a challenge... | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 8:25:58 AM | kirk763, I'm glad you are admitting that your knowledge of North American sports is limited and that you're not really a fan. Like you said this is also true when North Americans comment on soccer. All of us really should limit our comments on sports we have little or no knowledge of. I admit I am not a true soccer fan but I have played it many times, I just find it less interesting to North American sports. I am, however, trying and have subscribed to a sports channel that has soccer and am planning on watching the Euro Cup. This is a small step for me. I do find it odd that so many Europeans are so defensive when someone bashes soccer. Usually when someone bashes a sport they also support their comment by giving a reason why they don't like it. It seems that the Europeans response is to bash an American sport, but not giving a valid reason eg. Football(NFL) sucks because they wear helmets and padding. Is this a reason why the sport sucks? of course not.
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 9:02:47 AM | Oh I see....You are a part-time US sports fan....When you feel the need to be a US sports fan. Gotcha! 
And, while I lived in Boston, I followed baseball in particular quite closely and watched pretty much every game (went to quite a few as well) because I fell in love with it.
Are you sure its not "loved"?
The only soccer I follow is the Portuguese BwinLiga....Benfica, FC Porto and Sporting. You musted have heard them before. I am a Sporting fan. I also "love" watching the Euro Cup and World Cup. Its a shame we have to wait every 4 years. I can't stand the EPL, but love how Man Utd won the UEFA Champion for only one reason, Ronaldo, hate Rooney. It was disappointig he missed that kick. The outcome on that game had me on my toes because I thought Chelsea was going to win it after Ronaldo missed. I love it when it goes down to the penalty shootout.
My knowledge of soccer is quite more advanced than your US sports.... | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 9:12:23 AM | My knowledge of soccer is probably more than Kirk's as well. What I don't like about soccer comes down to 2 things. 1 not enough scoring or chances for that matter and2. penalty kicks deciding a game. After playing for 90 minutes as a team and then having penalty kicks where the goal keeper has to guess and hope for the best which way to dive. You might as well toss a coin to decide the winner and that in my opinion is no way to decide a game.
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 9:17:22 AM | | I don't think so. I watched every regular season baseball game and went to quite a few when I lived there. You can't get baseball on tv in Ireland so I don't pretend that I'm still up on what the rotation is for the Red Sox etc...however, I followed it a lot more closely than what you guys are describing. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 9:21:52 AM | | So admitting that it's difficult to get US games on Irish tv means that a lot of my comments about US sports are in the past tense. It doesn't mean that I suddenly decided they were crap just because I can't watch them anymore. As for the guy who wants to see more scoring in soccer. The very fact that you say that means that your claim that you know more about soccer than I do laughable. I don't think you'd even know as much about baseball for heaven's sake. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 9:43:26 AM |
You can't get baseball on tv in Ireland so I don't pretend that I'm still up on what the rotation is for the Red Sox etc...
There is always Dish Network.... Or any satellite provider you might have in Ireland. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:01:40 AM | Sorry Kirk I made a mistake when I was posting. I meant to say that my knowledge of soccer was more than your knowledge of North American sports. I admit that my knowledge of soccer is limited, but not as limited to your knowledge of North American sports. That's what I meant to say, again I'm sorry I realize that your knowledge of soccer is way more than mine.
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 11:02:10 AM | Well. I never watched as much ice-hockey as baseball, basketball or football...but I would have known more about those sports than what you guys are saying about soccer. And a number of you now refer to Europeans "bashing" North American sports. I never did that, wandalina is confused about who did the bashing, if you read back you'll find that it's Pedro and Frankster said derogatory things about US sports. I stated that while I was a fan of US sports, I thought some of the bigoted attitudes expressed towards soccer and some of the provincialism and isolationism was pitiful. I also openly stated that I consdidered hockey an extremely physical game and went against another European on here who said that it wasn't.
To be fair...how can you possibly "know" what my knowledge of US sports is? I lived there, watched and followed teams and when it came to one sport was a joint season ticket holder, had a fantasy football team etc etc...how many top flight competitive soccer matches have you guys been to in the European leagues? | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 11:12:07 AM | | For example pickmynose...your complaint about soccer betrays a basic lack of appreciation of the fundamentals of the game. It makes about as much sense as criticizing the current rules in baseball. If one is fortunate enough to witness something like the Big Unit throw a no-hitter or Clemens get 2o strike outs in Fenway or anyone else get a shut out...was it Nomo that did it again in Fenway circa 2000, a no hitter that is...I'm not suddenly going to say, well I think they should change the rules so that there cannot be low scoring games or whatever. In soccer, defending well and organizing your players is as important as trying to score. Watching a well organized tactical battle between two great teams is in some ways similar to watching two great pitchers go head to head. If you can't appreciate that part of soccer, then, I would submit, you don't really understand it. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 12:55:13 PM | Kirk, I can appreciate low scoring games when both teams play well. A no-hitter in baseball is much more exciting than a 1-0 soccer game because a no-hitter is something that only happens very occasionally ( the Toronto Blue Jays have only had 1 in fanchise history 31 years). A 1-0 soccer game is the norm and because of that it's not appreciated. An analogy would be the summer season would not be appreciated if it was hot all year round, you need the cold winter to appreciate it.. I agree that usually a 1-0 game is because of good defense, but many of those games also have few chances or shots on net which can become frustrating to watch.
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 1:33:41 PM | | And most soccer matches involve a number of goals. A bad soccer match between bad teams is no more boring than bad games between bad baseball teams. When the top teams close each other out, it is every bit as gripping(for me more gripping to be honest) as a pitching duel between two top pitchers. Some of the best games ever played are low scoring games between the top teams... | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/27/2008 3:59:16 PM | I see two problems with the high level of difficulty of scoring in soccer.
1) Because there is no real mechanism forcing one team to eventually give up the ball like basketball's shot clock or baseball's 3 outs to a side, teams that are ahead often slow down the game even further or turtle. It seems like the team that scores first nearly always wins (admittedly, the amount of soccer I have watched is very limited).
2) Because scoring is so difficult, every goal means a lot. This in itself is not a bad thing (some would argue it's great). However, because penalty shots are such high probability shots (2/3+) and the officiating of fouls seems, mmmmm, imperfect, there is a fair chance a game can be changed by a questionable call or questionable tactics (flops). | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/28/2008 1:40:05 AM | | You can look at that complaint very differently. In soccer, you don't have nearly the same level of "automatic" possession. It is more free flowing. There aren't nearly as many stoppages. In the other games the TV networks can schedule multiple ad breaks per quarter/inning because there are far more interruptions. Once a half starts in soccer, there are no interruptions until half time since the play doesn't really stop for 45 minutes...These are just differences between the sports. Once you understand soccer, you understand that you are in almost a physical chess match that gets you to checkmate...sometimes a move that brings a goal, depending on the time and the manner in which you play afterwards can be enough to secure checkmate. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:49:53 AM |
To be fair...how can you possibly "know" what my knowledge of US sports is?
Because you say it....
Unlike others, just because I've thrown an American football around, or played a bit of baseball or played on a basketball team, I don't think that makes me very knowledgeable about any of those games.
1) Because there is no real mechanism forcing one team to eventually give up the ball like basketball's shot clock or baseball's 3 outs to a side, teams that are ahead often slow down the game even further or turtle. It seems like the team that scores first nearly always wins
I can somewhat agree to that.... | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:46:51 AM | Right...so you've watched a couple of games from the Portugese league on tv LOL...you know next to NOTHING about soccer but it doesn't stop you making inane comments everywhere on other threads...I OBVIOUSLY know more about say baseball than you'll ever know about soccer and yet I don't go running my mouth about it because I haven't had a chance to watch this season.
I see you failed to Answer my question too.
When I lived in Boston I was a season ticket holder at Fenway and watched ALL regular season red-sox games on tv. How many Portugese top flight matches have you been to, how many times have you been a regular season ticket holder for any of the top European leagues???? You're a moron wandalina...you can't even meet your own criteria. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 5/28/2008 7:52:50 AM | This thread is amusing. We are afterall comparing apples to oranges. Soccer and hockey are both sports like apples and oranges are both fruits, but they are completely different.
Now I know both sports, having played both in leagues and organized teams. I was born and lived in England, so I learned to walk with a soccer ball at my feet, but I came to Canada when I was 10, so I got into N.A. sports. While I have always played soccer( it is my passion), I have played baseball, softball, ice hockey, ball hockey, volleyball and indoor soccer in organized leagues, both youth and adult. By far the hardest sports on my body, have been neither soccer or ice hockey, but hybrids of both. Indoor soccer and ball hockey have been the hardest sports on my body. But I think that the worst would have to be LACROSSE, that sport is just psycho! | |
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