| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/2/2007 8:39:07 PM |
full cages get in the way. limits vision.
Way to totally miss the POINT.
Dude, as someone who has played Hockey, Lacrosse, competed in TKD, BJJ and Motocross I can tell you without doubt and without bias (I actually LIKE BJJ best of any sport I have done) that Motocross is by far the most demanding sport I have ever done. I have NEVER felt the level of pure exhaution and weakness that I have from Motocross. In fact it isnt even close. I have NEVER come home from any competition and needed to be helped from the car to the bedroom as I did when I raced MC.
You claim that a crash may or may not happen, but in hockey all of those things you mentioned may or may not not happen during a game. Getting hit in the head by a shot is rare, it SELDOM happens and it isn't that bad. And getting slammed into the boards doesn't even compare to crashing at 60 mph from 20 feet in the air, and then having 220 lbs of steel and Aluminum smash down on you. Try hitting your head on the ground at 60 mph and compare that to getting hit in the helmet by a puck.
see your point about motocross isnt really a good one.....a crash is a mess up. in those grounds were going to worse mess up.......sports like base jumping, ski diving, would be way ahead.the two.
Except that crashes in Motocross are commonplace (It's not uncommon to crash several times in a race) and having your parachute and your reserve parachute fail are EXTREMELY rare. Poor analogy. You also clearly have no idea of the injuries that you can sustain without even crashing. Jamming your knees in a turn, jamming your ankles if you case it on a double jump, whiplash from whoops, etc. All quite common in MC. In fact I broke my ankle without even falling off the bike.
Hockey: 2 minute shift followed by a 6 minute rest (assuming you have 4 lines). Some players play on more than one line. Even a player who plays a lot still rarely sees more than 35 minutes a game, and he gets RESTS between shifts. Much of your time is spent standing still doing very little. Motocross: working ALL of your muscles for 45 minutes non stop. You MUST charge full out the whole time. And there are two motos as well so that's 90 minutes total. In most studies I have seen the top sports for being physically demanding were always Soccer and Motocross with SUPRISE...DON'T LAUGH, Water Polo being right up there as well (if you doubt it just try playing a game). | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/2/2007 8:43:12 PM |
only kids wear cages dude, were not euros ethier. the eye sheild isnt even required.
This has nothing to do with the point I made. Claiming a sport is dangerous because players decide not to wear a peice of equipment that IS AVAILIBLE to then is silly. The sport is not inherently dangerous FOR that reason. The players ACTIONS are dangerous. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/4/2007 10:56:21 PM | I wanted to debate a point made by elzo earlier. He stated that running is harder on the body than skating. While this is undoubtedly true (purely skating is a low-impact activity), we are talking hockey here and not just the act of skating.
It's not like these guys are just skating. They are colliding with boards, turnbuckles (where the glass ends), bodies and nets. All the while being hacked at with sticks, and all other types of mayhem. I don't see how you can compare the two activities, really.
At the end of the day, I would say that the typical hockey player would last a lot longer on a soccer field than a soccer player would on the ice. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/10/2007 6:27:00 PM | Hey sprawl,
Motocross is a grind, I'll give you that, but you haven't ridden anything until you try riding a bull.
Bullriding, and rodeo events in general, are tougher on the body than any other sport mentioned in this thread | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/12/2007 9:22:41 PM | Bull riding is intense. Those guys are definitely tough.
I think however it would simply be a matter of circumstance. You could have 20 rides on a bull and not get hurt, and then Bawango! One ride with your hand caught in the rope and you are in for some pain (or a nice stomping). And I'm sure there are times when guys have several tangle ups in a row, and are lucky if they ONLY get away with a couple sprains and broken bones.
Likewise with Motocross, it's all a mtter of IF you crash. I've had days were I've practiced all day and not fallen, and days were I've hit the dirt a dozen times. Crashing from 15 feet in the air at 60 mph is not fun. You're basically taking the falls that someone would experience in most sports and adding SPEED and HEIGHT to the equation.
It would be hard to say which sport is tougher on the body, but there's no doubt that they are TWO of the absolute worst. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/12/2007 11:20:13 PM | I played both and found as a halfback in soccer, it was tougher on me. I would play the whole game in soccer though too.
I should add, when i played hockey i played in the position of goalie. :) | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/15/2007 10:45:37 AM | "I think however it would simply be a matter of circumstance. You could have 20 rides on a bull and not get hurt, and then Bawango! One ride with your hand caught in the rope and you are in for some pain (or a nice stomping)."
I'm going to have to call you on that one.
Show me someone who has ever had 20 rides on a bull without getting hurt and I'll show you someone who has ridden nothing other than those coin-operated bulls in bars...and at low speed at that.
Fact is that 8 out of every 10 bull rides end with the rider being tossed. Almost 70% of bullriders leave every competition with some sort of injury. Now granted, a lot of them aren't serious, but here's something to think about: in bull-riding, only 30% of injuries are considered "serious". A "serious" injury, as defined by bullriders, is anything broken. Separated shoulders, hyper-extended elbows and concussions are not considered "serious" injuries. They are looked upon as hazards of the trade.
Concussions in bull-riding are so commonplace they are usually not even diagnosed, unless it's considered a "severe" concussion. Remember, concussions aren't a result of banging your head, but rather a result of your brain being shaked and bouncing into the skull. Most doctors agree that it happens to some degree on ever bull ride. The same could only be said about every motocross ride if motocross was done without a helmet.
How many deaths have there been in motocross competitions? I know of only one in Canada. Terry Painter died on the track in Campbell River in the fall of 2002, and the cause of death was proven to be a heart attack. He was actually dead by the time of the crash. I know for a fact there has been more than one death in bullriding. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/15/2007 11:04:23 AM | [You claim that a crash may or may not happen, but in hockey all of those things you mentioned may or may not not happen during a game. Getting hit in the head by a shot is rare, it SELDOM happens and it isn't that bad. And getting slammed into the boards doesn't even compare to crashing at 60 mph from 20 feet in the air, and then having 220 lbs of steel and Aluminum smash down on you. Try hitting your head on the ground at 60 mph and compare that to getting hit in the helmet by a puck.]
Im definitely not dissagreeing with you on the fact that MC is tough on your body, but you make it seem like getting hit in the head by a 100 mph slapshot isn't bad. Even if your fortunate enough to get it in the helmet rather than an open face it can be very serious if not fatal.....yes it doesn't happen as often as an MC crash but every MC crash doesn't necessarily involve your head either and you do have on a more complete helmet.
I do completely agree that in a whole MC is very tough on your body, your using all your muscles constantly but really every sport is tough on your body in different ways and different spots. Especially without proper conditioning!! | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/30/2007 8:26:25 PM | How many deaths have there been in motocross competitions? I know of only one in Canada. Terry Painter died on the track in Campbell River in the fall of 2002, and the cause of death was proven to be a heart attack. He was actually dead by the time of the crash. I know for a fact there has been more than one death in bullriding.
Both David Bailey and Danny "Magoo" Chandler are now in wheelchairs after crashing. There's two profile guys right there that are at least partially paralysed. And as far as MC deaths Canada is the last country to really look at for that stat. ONE motorcycle store in California sells more bikes than are sold in all of Canada in a year. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/31/2007 2:25:16 AM | fact is hockey requires you to play 82 games a season plus post season. you will play back to back games or 3 games in 4 nights. no player makes it through the season without some form of injury. not all keep the guys out of the line up.
i take one team as an example flames have played 77 games 221 man games lost to injury. now thats only the injuries bad enough to keep the guys out of the lineup. there is no other sport that demands such punsihment on your body to win then hockey. after winning the stanley cup guys are so beat up and batterd they cant move.
ok take a 220lbs of steel or a 220lbs person and they have the same force on the object they are hitting. now nhl hockey players skate at around 20-30mph combine the speed of a open ice hit blam your getting nailed at anywhere from 40-60 mph. defencemen block upwards of 200 shots a season(more in playoffs) if your slamming your ankle and shins that many times in one season you must not be any good.
fact is 82 game reg season, playoffs, speed of the game, size of the players, speed of puck, and the hitting are all reasons why hockey is the toughist sport on the body. yu dont even need to add in the stick work, elbows, fights, and boards to put hockey up there. i;ll also add in hockey has the most dangours play in all of sports, diving down for a blocked shot.
plus the fact hockey is a start and stop sport vs mc being a race for 45 min doesnt really mean anything. they take different types of training to achive the best resluts. its hard working on the abilty to go full out then stop then full.
your a bloody fool if you think a puck to the head isnt bad. can i take a slapper and hit you in the helmet? ever hear of a concussion?
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 3/31/2007 9:02:09 AM | Hockey by far. In fact I think it's probably the hardest team sport on the body.
The level of conditioning to keep up to the pace of the game as well as the grit required to endure the hits and collisions. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/1/2007 4:59:31 PM | "Both David Bailey and Danny "Magoo" Chandler are now in wheelchairs after crashing. There's two profile guys right there that are at least partially paralysed. And as far as MC deaths Canada is the last country to really look at for that stat. ONE motorcycle store in California sells more bikes than are sold in all of Canada in a year."
I used Canada because those are the stats with which I'm familiar. I can only surmise that other countries, with larger populations, have similar RATIOS. I can assure you that there have been more bullriding injuries in the US than in Canada as well. Duh. But the fact that you, as such a huge MC fan, could only retort with a couple of guys in wheelchairs tells me how often death happens in in MC in the States. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/2/2007 6:36:07 PM | | I've played both and, IMO, hockey is more tougher on the frame. Every game involves some good (and bad) body contact. Soccer, however, only the odd time did I get tripped or cleated by some wanker. But these pale in comparison to say, aussie rules football. Now there's a wicked game where rules seem to be non-existent. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/3/2007 9:40:24 AM | a sport with a lot of helmets and pads being tougher or harder than football??? ridiculous comment!
those helmets and pads you use in hockey DO avoid you suffering any damage, it may be hard someone hitting you but you suffer NOTHING AT ALL WITH THAT HIGH PROTECTION.
on the other hand you have football, also called soccer by north americans where you do not have any protection so when someone tackles you, elbows you, heads you or hits you with boot studs you really suffer. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/3/2007 1:10:21 PM | "If someone tackles you, elbows you, heads you or hits you with boot studs you really suffer."
How would you know, really? Slow motion replay has proven time and time again that there has never actually been a single recorded instance of bona fide contact in the entire history of soccer. There's like a 12" wide zone, kind of like an aura, and if anyone enters someone else's aura, the victim goes down like he's been shot. There's nothing more painful than "Aura Invasion". | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/3/2007 3:08:31 PM | depends on your defination of tougher.
hockey is rougher by defination, you will break more bones in hockey than in soccer. i can atest, my brother just broke his collarbone from taking a hit badly. also, hockey plays have more momentum because they're skating makes the hits harder to take, thus the padding. that way, they are probably the same because the impact in hockey would mildly be absorbed, and there would be less of an impact in soccer.
and i think the OP needs to take into consideration not just professional sports. the only hockey that takes 15 minute breaks before periods is the NHL. the rest dont.
all in all, if you take most things into consideration, they're pr0bably about the same. you need endurance and sprints for both. while hockey players use their upper body more, soccer has more fancy footwork. and various other things. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/3/2007 3:33:01 PM | My two fav sports and hard to say which is tougher on the body. Both are very tough but in different ways. Having played both at a fairly high level, I have had more injuries by far playing football rather than hockey. Mainly because in hockey you are always expecting to get hit, and the equipment is so good that you are very well protected.
Some ppl have said that a hockey season is tougher because of the number of games and length of season. Well ask any players on Barca, Man U , Chelsea etc how long the season is! They basically play 10 months of the year for their club teams and then play in international tournaments ( world cup, Euro Champs) during the summer and as a result get maybe a month off if lucky. If you play for a team that does very well you are playing in 4 competitions for your club team as well as 1 for your country.
As for our buddy in the flames jersey saying something about visors limiting your sight and thus ability, well Sid seems to do ok with his!!!
Very interesting debate, but like someone said Aussie Rules and Rugby are both ridiculously demanding | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/4/2007 11:45:23 AM | msg 46 "the victim goes down like he's been shot"
now there is no doubt you are ignorant about football and your ignorance is clearly worrying, lol
let us inform you Sir: if you lack protection and a rival elbows you, heads you or the boot studs destroy your body, say, knee, ligament, leg, etc it is not that you are shot but you are really dead.
why is it that footballers very often suffer one of the worst "nightmares" that a sportsman can ever have, you know, a broken knee ligament???
now i leave you with your hockey and those helmets and pads protecting your players | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/4/2007 2:59:22 PM | pedro.......How about you come to Canada, put on the equipment and I'll (I'm sure many others would also) slam you about a few times. Then see how tough you are. Have you ever played a sport? Anything? And I am not ignorant about football so spare me the wah wah BS. Seeing football is NOT a contact sport, running around with a cup/shinpads is good enough, however, hockey is a contact sport, hence the equipment. And players get hurt all the time. The equipment just lessens the damage done (most of the time). I'm sure what buddy was saying (and I'm in total agreement) is that way too many footballers dive like they were shot(Ronaldo comes to mind).
Lower foot/ankle injuries are more common in football, obviously, but overall, hockey is more the injury prone sport. The equipment does not stop someone from tearing an ACL, getting a concussion and so on. I have played both sports and hockey was more tougher, injury wise, of the two. Oh, getting cleated, sprained ankles, etc is not fun but not an everyday occurence, but in hockey....hitting IS an everyday thing. But you think what you want, your entitled to speak your mind...but once you have actually played both sports, perhaps don't be so quick to think hockey is a wuss sport. | |
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