| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/5/2007 12:23:04 PM | so why is it that footballers break their knee ligaments??? do you call it a minor damage??? please! it is perhaps the worst damage in sports.
someone saying that football is not a contact sport shows ignorance, have you ever played or watched it??? | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/5/2007 9:03:49 PM | I used Canada because those are the stats with which I'm familiar. I can only surmise that other countries, with larger populations, have similar RATIOS. I can assure you that there have been more bullriding injuries in the US than in Canada as well. Duh. But the fact that you, as such a huge MC fan, could only retort with a couple of guys in wheelchairs tells me how often death happens in in MC in the States.
Like I said, MC in Canada is a tiny fraction of what it is in the US. Instead of speculating do some research. I can't think of that many bull ridres that have been killed either.
And as for the guy who says "footballers" don't dive?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............that's ripe bro. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/5/2007 9:29:23 PM | Instead of speculating do some research. I can't think of that many bull ridres that have been killed either."
Speculating? Who's speculating? I gave you facts: that one person has died while in a motocross race in Canada and that wasn't even a crash-caused death! YOU are the one who should do some research. All you can say is that Canada is relatively inconsequential in numbers, as far as motocross is concerned, but you can't come up with any kind of numbers that weaken my argument while strengthening yours.
Once again, your retort to my comment about motocross deaths was to mention a couple of serious injuries - no deaths that you can think of, even though you are into the sport. If motocross was so exponentially bigger in the States than in Canada (of which I have no doubt...10x the people, longer season, it's only natural that it would be bigger in the states), you should be able to rattle off a dozen deaths off the top of your head.
On the other hand, again in your own words, you say you can't think of "that many bullriders that have been killed", which, in itself is an admission that you have heard of some bullriders killed, just not "that many". So clearly you agree with me, that bullriding is a far more dangerous sport than motocross. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/6/2007 1:37:06 AM | I can't even believe how long this argument has gone on. This is crazy, guys!
Watch a hockey game, and then watch a soccer match. Both sports offer a good chance of injury, just different types. But hockey injuries tend to be more severe, by far. Nobody can argue this fact. Just watch a game.
Bodies colliding is a hard, physical thing. I'll give you that. But, ice is hard. Boards are hard. Sticks are hard. Grass and balls are not. I'm not saying that it's a treat to be hit in the head with a soccer ball. I am sure that it is not. But, who would you rather be? The guy jumping for the semi-soft leather ball falling out of the sky, or the guy laying his body on the line to block a point shot from a 100 MPH frozen piece of rubber (no matter where it hits you)? Would you rather catch the end of Al MacInnis' stick in your eye, or a finger?
All sports are hard on the body. Hell, even baseball is tough. Just imagine playing every day! EVERY DAY, running, sliding, colliding, etc.It is a difficult thing to do! Grab a bat and take ten swings. I'll bet that you're tired! Now, block that guy from reaching home plate. Then, squat back down to catch and/or block pitches for the next half hour.I dare you to throw 100 pitches! Did your arm fall off half-way through? I'll bet it did! Now, add pressure. Cover first base on this play. Now home plate on that one. Oh, did I mention that you have to do it all over again in a few days? | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/6/2007 5:42:34 AM | sprawl,
how the bloody hell did you break your ankle and shatter the tibia with that high protection you use in Hockey??? i understand fracturing any finger but the rest................. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/6/2007 9:15:36 AM | "how the bloody hell did you break your ankle and shatter the tibia with that high protection you use in Hockey?"
Simple. a Puck made of condensed rubber hits you going 100MPH. Or you get crunched into wooden/fibreglass boards by another human being skating at 60kph.
You think the equipment they wear makes them invinsible realpedro? Clearly you've never played the sport before. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/12/2007 7:54:59 PM | | i know alot of people who jog more than 90 minutes a day....everyday and thats continuous. so i think soccer players can do the 3 games in 4 nights. soccer is alot like football(nfl), the only reason they have long breaks between games, is the preperation it takes to get ready for the next team they have to play. ive played football and soccer, it was mostly practice and one game a week. we practiced soccer everyday, so i think i could of played everyday. oh yeah...put on a pair of skates and go all out for that 20-25 minutes a game, you'll see how sore your feet get. low inpact, my ass. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/12/2007 9:22:21 PM | when i played soccor, in a tournoment we would play like 5 games in 3 days, or even some days i would play 2 games back to back(if a team needed a call up). there is no real reason why soccor players couldnt play a nhl style sced. nhl players are the toughist players in all of sports.
mc isnt even a a real sport anyway. and its off topic. so stop bringing up usless ideas you have. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:15:41 AM | | when i think of tougher on the body, i think of wear and tear. so based on that i would have to say hockey. i've seen a lot of games and they really get destroyed out there and the amount of padding they have to wear must put a strain on the body because of all the weight. i also think it is tougher because there's so many injuries in hockey, people losing teeth, black eyes, blood everyone. so in my opinion hockey is tougher. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/14/2007 1:24:53 PM |
moto cross doesnt belong in this topic
Say what???
MX is far tougher then an stick and ball sport. 40 minutes plus two lap motos, no yellow flags, no TV time outs, no sitting on a bench.
Hockey players are wimps. They play a quarter to a third of a game.
Soccer players shuffle around for a good part of theirs.
I'd like to see any of them hang with a guy like Rickey Carmichaels training routine. Could they run 5, 6 minute miles, bicycle for an hour, hit the gym for weight training, and then go out and ride a couple of practise motos???
Auto racers face a heart rate of 180 beats per minute for the entire length of a GP. I'd like to see any stick and ball player withstand that.How many stick and ball players have resting heart rates below 60, cause of their conditioning??? Whats the chances of fatal/debiliating injury if they make a mistake???
The quoted survey is full of it IMO. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/14/2007 5:40:44 PM | "Hockey players are wimps. They play a quarter to a third of a game."
I'm sure if the could SIT DOWN for the majority of their shifts, like Motocross riders do, they'd be able to play a higher percentage of the game!! | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/14/2007 6:30:52 PM | Island jokester:
Dude, please..........You have NO IDEA how physically demanding motocross is, and for you to say "sitting down".......wow......how far off can you be from the truth. Even when a MC-er is sitting on the bike he is tensing every muscle in his body trying to hang on and control the power, which is literally trying to spit him off the bike. You think Bull riding is demanding? Fine. Think of MC as riding a bull for 45 minutes straight.........TWICE (two motos). You just don't get it do you? Go out and ride a 45 minute moto at the level that a Ricky Carmicheal rides, and then come back here and tell me about "sitting down". Until you do, your opinion is being dismissed. MC is generally considered to be among the top 2-3 most demanding sports. The others being Soccer and don't laugh..........Water Polo. Tread water non stop for 30 minutes and you'll find out what tiring is. I have total respect for those guys. And I can't swin for ****!
Pedro:
I broke my knee and thumb in a horrific crash where I hit another rider in mid air off a jump in a MC race. I landed with my knee straight and the knee broke sideways completely tearing my ligament and shattering the top of the tibia. I broke the ankle ice racing without even falling off the bike. The studs (basically what amounts to a sheet metal screw with sharp edges on the hex head) on another riders rear tire grabbed my boot and pulled my foot in under his rear fender and turned my foot backwards 180 degrees. I finished the race and came in and then raced the next race. At the hospital the x-rays showed that my ankle was snapped off a little ways above the end of the ankle. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/14/2007 7:04:31 PM | Why is this thread even going on still?
It's obvious just about any sport is going to be demanding and will wear a players body down, especially at any pro level. Take someone like Bobby Orr, or Steve Yzerman.. late in their careers they could hardly even skate because their knees were so worn out. If anyone happened to have caught Coaches Corner today (Saturday) you would have seen the clip of Yzerman blocking shot after shot and then getting to the bench and collapsing in the hallway because he couldn't stand.
And you don't have to be a moron to realise the effort, as well as the dangers, that come along with motocross.
Each sport comes with extremes, and difficulties, and trying to say anything otherwise just makes you look like a dummy. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/14/2007 11:31:45 PM | Sprawl, relax about me not knowing how tough motocross is. I know. I've been around the sport long enough (in fact, I'm heading to the park for the first race of the season tomorrow). I was simply taking a shot at the guy who claimed that hockey players are wimps. Sorry the dripping sarcasm of the comment was plain enough for you to see.
As for comparing a motocross ride to a bullride, that comment is so inane it is hardly worth a retort, only to say that in motocross you're riding a vehicle that YOU control the speed of, the turning of, the acceleration and the braking of. When you're on a bull you're on a half ton of living being that has ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE to have you on its back and would just as soon kill you as have you saddled to it.
I hope you've wiped your a** well, otherwise it must really stink having your head so far up it.
Incidentally, while water polo is generally considered one of the toughest of team sports, I beg to differ on the soccer...you must have pulled that one out of your a** when you came up for air. Show me where you got THAT info from.
Triathlon is much higher up the list than soccer, for all the obvious reasons. As are numerous other individual sports, not the least of which is tennis, believe it or not. Most tennis players would relish the idea of playing one 90-minute match, once a week.
Anyone who thinks that soccer players run for 90 minutes straight never played at a level higher than junior high school, where all 20 players on the field ran after the ball like in a Disney cartoon. The person who covers the most territory on a soccer field is the referee. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:03:11 PM | The Bull riding reference was in relation to the stance and rider position and thus the muscles that you use. And apparently you have never ridden over your head because that's usually when you get into bad situations in MC. A first lap fall or a bad start often results in a rider racing way over his head and thus pushing himself much harder. Often FAR out of control. I've had races where I was doing at least one tank slapper a lap.
Triathlon is not relavant to the topic because it is made up of three SEPARATE sports (running, biking and swimming). And they are essentially marathons in each separate one. If you want to make comparisons like that then lets include the BAJA 1000. The topic was comparing how tough or demanding individual sports were (hockey soccer etc).
BTW: if your gonna keep calling me on my sources, why don't you post links to the claims you are making or would that require YOU pulling your head out of your ass? | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:11:45 PM | http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills
So you want a source here's one. Too bad it's totally unscientific and flawed as hell, as are most of these comparisons. Look at some of the scores they give the sports. weightlifting gets only a 9.75/10 for POWER??? There is no question that weightlifting, esp powerlifting is a 10/10 for power and strength. There are no other sports that would rank abover powerlifting in strength, period. Their methods of determining the scores is totally subjective and in some cases laughable. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:38:49 PM | "Triathlon is not relavant to the topic because it is made up of three SEPARATE sports (running, biking and swimming). And they are essentially marathons in each separate one."
Love the spin on that sprawl. So tell me...why is triathlon irrelevant to the topic, but motocross RELEVANT?
The topic of this thread is: Which sport is tougher on the body: HOCKEY OR SOCCER?
Nowhere do I see any mention of "individual" sports, or "ie soccer" by the originator of this thread, So why is it that you can go completely off-topic, with motocross, but when someone else mentions a sport that is CLEARLY tougher, you claim it's off-topic? Nice try.
As for sources, you want sources for bullriding deaths? Ever heard of Lane Frost? Brent Thurman? Those are a couple of the better known AMERICAN bull riders to die in competition. Go ahead, Google the names. I'm sure you'll come up with about half a million references to each one. Better yet, go to your local video rental store and rent the movie "8 Seconds", or "Cowboy Up". The former cover's Frost's life and death. The latter is a documentary, hosted by another rider (can't remember his name) that was world champion when he shattered his spine and became paralyzed.
I don't remember what the name of the cowboy in Leduc who died was, all I remember is watching it happen from the fifth row in the bleachers. | |
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| Which sport is tougher on the body: hockey or soccer?
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:52:44 PM | Um, I think it's pretty obvious that triathlon is THREE separate individual sports, while MC is one sport. Is it clear now?
The topic was comparing soccer and hockey true, but the thread has bounced around form one topic to another WITHOUT my help.
It had nothing to do with whether triathlon is tougher, it had to do with that fact that it is three separte sports.
You want MC deaths? Ok:
http://www.motocrossjumps.com/injuries.html
That's just a few. The fact that few big name riders have gotten hurt is more likely due to the fact that national level riders will not accept unsafe track conditions, are more skilled, and less likely to make mistakes than lower level privateers or amatures. I would assume it's that way in bull riding too. I'm sure that there are more deaths in small time rodeos than on the professional circuit. Both would also likley have better emergency services than small time events. | |
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