| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/10/2009 1:24:38 PM | So?
Richard Armey and Bob Barr have worked with the ACLU...........Closet Commies?
The ACLU defends many Nazi free speech issues.
Commies defending a Nazi.
Or Socialist....
No longer is Socialist the scary term the right talkers hoped. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/10/2009 1:40:48 PM | You can't really win this argument. McCarthy and Hoover et al won it before we were born. When I was a kid there was a show called "FBI" starring Efram Zimbalist. Apparently they were taken from "real" case files. It showed Efram courageously taking on Communist cells every week. I believed that there were commies everywhere.
McCarthy outed Communists in the entertainment business, but he never subpeoned Lucille Ball. Lucy was a genuine card carrying member of the Communist party as a young woman (she loved her grandfather and he was a member), but she was too popular.
There was a time when the political dialogue in the US was much broader and inclusive. But a concerted effort to demonize the left has brought us to the point where you can accuse a conservative like Obama of being a Socialist and many believe it. The dialogue in the US has become so narrow, and so right wing that you couldn't actually even discuss a leftist issue. The groundwork of understanding necessary to have a conversation wouldn't be understood by one in a thousand. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/10/2009 2:31:01 PM |
Thursday, April 09, 2009
Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better. Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better.
Adults under 30 are essentially evenly divided: 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided. Thirty-somethings are a bit more supportive of the free-enterprise approach with 49% for capitalism and 26% for socialism. Adults over 40 strongly favor capitalism, and just 13% of those older Americans believe socialism is better.
Investors by a 5-to-1 margin choose capitalism. As for those who do not invest, 40% say capitalism is better while 25% prefer socialism.
There is a partisan gap as well. Republicans - by an 11-to-1 margin - favor capitalism. Democrats are much more closely divided: Just 39% say capitalism is better while 30% prefer socialism. As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 48% say capitalism is best, and 21% opt for socialism.
Maybe your over 30? hahaha
I remember "I lead three lives"........
Evenly divided under thirty...Just like the Gay marriage issue............how about a gay marriage poll on a college campus.
Most people know Social security has never missed a check, Medicare takes care of the elderly. Fear?
Socialist does not have the impact the Right talkers desire...........
They have been screaming Socialist for 6 months and 1/2 the adults do not care....the poll is proof. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 2:51:26 AM | ^^^ Holy Carp! I am shocked and amazed by those stats, maybe even a little pleasantly surprised, since it would appear unbridled capitalism will be the undoing of the U.S.
OT: From their website - The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country.
These rights include:
Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
Your right to equal protection under the law - protection against unlawful discrimination.
Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
The ACLU also works to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including people of color; women; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people; prisoners; and people with disabilities.
If the rights of society's most vulnerable members are denied, everybody's rights are imperiled.
I don't understand the right's downright scathing hatred of the ACLU, they are freedom fighters are they not? Since when does the right hate freedom and liberty? Methinks they speak with forked tongue.
Some rightee, any rightee, help me understand?!?  | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 7:50:34 AM | I hope the ACLU doesn't try to "defend" my liberty (according to them)...
in reference to:
The ACLU also works to extend rights to segments of our population that have traditionally been denied their rights, including people of color; women; lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people; prisoners; and people with disabilities.
The emphasis on disabilities.
With regard to Terri Schiavo's right to live, where was the ACLU?
Then there's the ACLU's stance on "abortion rights" Without Limitation.
No unborn child has ever been represented by the ACLU.
Why not.
This is CLEARLY a Liberal organization.
I know these "rights" have been debated ad nauseum, so I don't intend to get into all of them.
My point was that the ACLU was and remains a Socialist group.
I do not think Socialism is the answer to our problems.
I hope that helps a bit. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 10:40:31 AM |
I hope the ACLU doesn't try to "defend" my liberty (according to them)...
From the ACLU brief filed on behalf of Terri Schiavo.
http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/schiavobrief10-29final.pdf
INTRODUCTION
This case is not about whether Theresa Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state from which she will not recover, nor is it about what her wishes would be if she were now able to decide whether to prolong her life through artificial measures. That case was already fully and conclusively decided by the courts of Florida, which determined that there is no hope Mrs. Schiavo can recover from her current condition, and that after 13 years in a persistent vegetative state, she would have wanted to be removed from artificially provided nutrition and hydration. Whatever one thinks about those decisions, that chapter is closed.
This case is instead about whether the Legislative and Executive Branches of the State of Florida can nullify the decisions of the courts of this state and can suspend the operation of the Constitution of the State of Florida with respect to a single citizen. That is precisely the effect of HB 35-E, which gives the Governor unfettered and unreviewable discretion to “stay” the withholding of artificially provided nutrition and hydration from Mrs. Schiavo and prevent her from dying with dignity. Nothing could be more repugnant to the Constitution of the State of Florida.1 This Court should invalidate HB 35-E because it eradicates Mrs. Schiavo’s rights to privacy and due process, is an example of
1 HB 35-E violates both the state and federal constitutions, but this Court should decide all issues on state constitutional grounds. This brief focuses on the state constitution, drawing on federal precedents where useful to illuminate state constitutional guarantees. As discussed below, the Florida Constitution’s provisions concerning the right of privacy and the separation of powers exceed those of the U.S. Constitution.
Legislative and Executive overreaching prohibited by the separation of powers enshrined in the Florida Constitution, and violates a host of other state and federal constitutional provisions.
The ACLU did defend your right to sign a "Do Not Resuscitate Order" ...........
Jeb Bush cannot keep you hooked up to a machine when you are DEAD...........
You believe Terri Schiavo was alive?
How about lets keep all the Oldsters signing "DNR's" on machines.......... | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 9:11:33 PM |
I hope that helps a bit.
Not really, but thanks for taking the time to respond. I suspect it’s another one of those things that will never make sense to me.
Isn’t it ironic? Schaivo’s “condition” resulted from an electrolyte imbalance. She had an eating disorder. Let me assure you, the last thing she would have wanted was a feeding tube. The ACLU, whether they knew it or not, gave her exactly what she would have wanted.
No unborn child has ever been represented by the ACLU. Why not.
I am not an expert on the ACLU, but probably because they represent the unborn child’s mother, can’t represent both. Incomprehensible to me how the right can moan and carry on about government interference and then expect women to turn over their most personal and private matters so the government may interfere in them. Boggles the mind!
This is CLEARLY a Liberal organization.
Liberal is in fact, not a four letter word.
* open-minded, willing to consider new and different ideas or opinions
* tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
* a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
Liberalism is a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.
Hmmm, and that’s a bad thing?!?!?!?!
I hope the ACLU doesn't try to "defend" my liberty
I imagine right up until the point that you do. : ) | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/11/2009 9:58:12 PM |
so⋅cial⋅ism
/ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Msg. 80:
My point was that the ACLU was and remains a Socialist group.
I do not think Socialism is the answer to our problems.
I'm sorry. I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Could you explain what you mean a little better? How was Socialism involved in the Terri Shiavo case? And how is Socialism involved in abortion cases? | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/12/2009 12:37:48 AM |
This is CLEARLY ...
Politically partisan flamebait...much like the OP, shrill, chest-beating hyperbole of the kind usually uttered by mobs bearing pre-tied nooses, torches and pitchforks and not reasoned arguments.
I haven't seen this kind of red-baiting since I last saw a transcript of the HUAC... "Joe" is that you? Is there a Bolshie under your bed?
Luni-tardiness of the kooky kind.
Someone needs to tie this poster down and have a tape of Tommy Douglas reciting his "Mouseland" speech over and over into their ears until they have an aneurysm. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/14/2009 11:59:26 AM | | We may need the ACLU more than we think... Obama said he was resolved to halt the rise of privacy. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/15/2009 3:04:53 AM |
We may need the ACLU more than we think... Obama said he was resolved to halt the rise of privacy.
Doesn't matter what party has been in power, the ACLU has always had work. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/15/2009 2:35:00 PM | Yeah, we know. And from the beginning the ACLU's mandate in their own internal documents has shown that their WORK is to disable and confound the US Government until it is a Socialist order, or it is destroyed.
Heck, even the History Channel showed that in their show on the ACLU. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/15/2009 4:24:36 PM |
"somewhat" of an extraordinary claim...
Use your Red Rider code ring............ | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 4/20/2009 2:56:21 AM | Watch the History Channel episode...then make your own conclusion :)
The WHOLE episode... | |
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