| Canada ban on Perfumes
Posted: 4/14/2007 3:05:18 AM | I worked in a building with 1400+ people where all scents were banned. I found it frustrating since I like to wear a light scent, but the problem comes from people who wear way to much combined with people who are allergic.
Even though there was a very clear no scent policy, one day an employee had to be rushed to the hospital because she was severely allergic to scent and someone who was doused in perfume walked by her desk. It caused this woman's airway to swell up. Ambulance attendants who rushed to the scene even had a hard time inserting an airway to assist her breathing after she had passed out. It took three days for her to recover enough to be released from the hospital.
Admittedly, most people's reactions aren't this severe, but I have to wonder how difficult it is for someone with this extreme of an allergy to do day-to-day tasks. A simple trip to the grocery store could result in an unexpected hospital visit. After seeing how serious some of these allergies can be, I can understand why the gov't is considering some scent allergies to be disabilities.
I really wish there was a happy medium somewhere, but that would require being able to regulate the amount of perfume/scent someone wears. It's far easier to just ban scents altogether, which is why so many places are taking that approach. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 7:39:20 AM | Upstream
I am truly sympathetic to people who suffer from allergies and asthma's. However, you need to start thinking of this issue logically instead of emotionally. There will always be emotional reasons to comply with government control. The slogans are already well established in our minds and social conciousness
"If it saves even one life, it will be worth it"
"Its for the children"
Almost 2 Billion spent on gun registry on the grounds that "if it saves even 1 life...it will be worth it" - How about spending 2 Billion on upgrading crumbling infrastructure like sewage and water treatment plants? How about spending 2Billion on the 1 out of 5 children that live in poverty.
I and society cannot save or protect people from the effects of their own disease! If you are allergic -you are allergic! There is absolutely no evidence that avoiding exposure to allergens really helps your health in the long run. If you are that allergic - you need to be well informed about your disease, have an epi-pen ready and make sure emergency procedures are in place in the event that you have an attack!
Very few people are allergic to only 1 thing and the allergens in perfumes are also found in other sources. For this reason alone, banning all perfumes will not protect those with allergic reactions. Many of the same organic compounds exist in ink, white-out, gasoline etc etc.
What about people who are allergic to pollen? Shall we decimate all vegetation in order to protect them from their disease.
What about people who are allergic to pet dander? Shall we ban all pets so that people don't carry the dander in to work on their clothes.
You are focused on 1 source of allergens. But if you decide that there is a reason to ban perfumes - where do you stop? What else do you ban in order to protect those who are allergic? Peanut products of course, eggs, and all shell fish. Its not fair that people allergic to shell fish can't walk into any restaurant they want and sit down and eat. Ban all shell-fish!
Why aren't you focused on the real problem? Why are all these life-threatening allergies popping up now? These wasn't a problem in previous generations. What changed between then and now?
As far as that is concerned, we are now seeing the consequences of smoking bans. Once the population agreed that SHS was an irritant that could not be controlled and minimized by ventilation - then the sky became the limit - the flood gates are open.
Why not ban perfumes? It has the exact same characteristics as second hand smoke.
Why not ban peanut products? - if it can save even one life, it will be worth it?
Why not ban pets? - people shouldn't have to put up with being exposed to pet dander if they don't want to be?
Why not ban drive-thru's?
Why not ban pesticides?
Why not ban the planting of gardens with plants that irritate the neighbours?
Why not ban the eating of meat - your vegan neighbours shouldn't have to put up with smell of meat cooking and have their senses assaulted by the sight of your ripping into the flesh of defenseless animals while they are trying to exercise their right to a healthy life-style choice of a humane vegan diet.
Why not ban????? whatever it is that irritates and annoys you personally?
We can then use more money and hire more enforcement officers and ensure compliance can't we. Until half of the population are in jail and the other half are guarding them!
Think of the lives saved! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 11:50:43 AM | You mean no more Halston? No more Happy?
Man, whats next? By the time Im 80 the right to have rights will be banned..... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 12:17:29 PM | I wasn't trying to say that I approve of total bans on scents, and would actually be quite upset if that happened. I wear (light) scent myself. I was actually just trying to say that it is a serious issue for some people, but that it probably wouldn't have reached the level of hype that it has if some people didn't go way overboard in their use of scented products. I'm not allergic myself, but I have passed people before who have worn enough to almost make my eyes water.
My experience is that large corporations cannot easily monitor how much scent each individual uses, but are bound to provide a safe work environment for their employees (at least here), so in some cases they just ban it completely if even only one employee comes to them complaining of a scent allergy. In our current political environment, it's politically and legally safer for them to inconvenience the many than to risk the health of the few. In a lot of cases nowadays, the majority certainly does not rule. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 12:30:47 PM |
Good lord....we are being controlled to death. Whatever happened to free will or freedom of choice?
When people refuse to use common sense, when people refuse to show common decency, when people keep putting their "personal" preferences above another person's medical issues the government imposes bans. It is easier for them to say you can't do something rather than teach everyone why their bathing in over powering scents can kill someone. Yes I do mean "kill" someone. I think the use of a little scent is better than gagging everyone around them. There are extreme cases as shown in a previous post where people can die from this. But if trying to kill someone is something you can live with, by all means...go ahead and put yourself above your neighbour. I would be curious to see if there ever were an incident of a person having such a sever reaction to a scent and death was a result, would the offending person wearing the scent be charge? It is a form of negligence. Not something I could live with in all good conscious. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 1:04:49 PM | Why is it that all these bans are coming about ? 10 years ago people wore perfume, you never heard of someone wanting to place a ban on it. It's crazy to much trying to protect everyone from every little thing that might harm them or cause them discomfort. Life isn't like that.
Call me crazy but I think all these bans are steps towards a socialist society. Everything banned for your own good.
I even read a post on here saying that people who knew they were at a 50 per cent more risk of having a child born with a disease should have to pay for that child's medical expenses out of their own pocket instead of insurance paying for it. The poster was Canadian and I guess they have socialized med. or something and they said that would be one way of keeping health care costs down which in turn would keep taxes down.
I found that statement to be appalling, it reminded me of Hitler and the master race theory. No one with illness or a disability should be born. I just don't understand people now days. What do they want, a perfect, safe, life ? Life isn't perfect, life isn't safe. Stop being so afraid of the inevitable. We all are going to die. Ban smoking, ban perfume, ban handguns, enact the fat tax, and discourage people from having children that won't be born perfect. Do all that and more, but you're still not going to get out of life alive.
All you're going to do is end up living like a controlled bunch of little robots. But you'll be "safe" and "healthy". And do you really think it will lower taxes ? rotfl Even if it did, who would want to live in such a restrictive society, is it worth it to have my personal liberty restricted so that my taxes or health insurance premiums will go down a few dollars ? No to me it isn't. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 1:10:47 PM | ^^Kinda reminds me off that movie Demolition Man....I wonder if our future holds having sex with a headset as well..... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 5:38:32 PM | "All you're going to do is end up living like a controlled bunch of little robots. But you'll be "safe" and "healthy"."
But it is not your safety, that is at risk, in this case, is it?
I have noticed a great decrease in the consciousness of people for others. I am very pleased to have a government, that will step in, when some of it's citizens do not seem to understand respect or care for each other.
The world is getting smaller, and we must live, in close range, with each other. If we do not care for each other, but only think of ourselves, well it is going to be one heck of a mess. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 5:43:41 PM | Once the perfumes are banned, it'll be people trying to ban body odour!!!  | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 7:31:30 PM |
<div class='quote'>. I am very pleased to have a government, that will step in, when some of it's citizens do not seem to understand respect or care for each other.
The government has no business legislating things such as respect and caring for your fellow man. It drives me crazy when someone says we should all be respectful, and kind, and caring, and if you're not going to live up to how I think you should think, and act then I want the government to enact laws to make you a respectful, and caring person.
What if I don't want to be a respectful and caring person ? You think the government should enact legislation that says I have to be caring and respectful ? I don't want government trying to make this into some kind of Utopian Society, trying to legislate personal values.
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I have noticed a great decrease in the consciousness of people for others
I have found just the opposite to be true. I think that through education, making the public more aware of social issues in general. has made people more sensitive and caring towards others. I find that if you speak to someone in a polite way about an issue or a problem that you are having with something they are more than willing to go out of their way to accommodate your special circumstance. It's when you start legislating and demanding that people get their hackles up.
The way to make a more pleasant society for all to live in is through education, making the public more aware that some people are allergic to this or that, that most people find heavy scents annoying. Educate the public on courtesy, good manners, showing each other respect, but don't try to legislate them.
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Posted: 4/14/2007 8:24:27 PM |
But it is not your safety, that is at risk, in this case, is it?
Butbutbutterfly, I have a disability that does cause me safety concerns at times when out in public so I can relate all to well to someone who has concern for their safety. I and many other people with disabilities and medical issues cope with safety issues everyday. Maybe you should learn all the facts before being sarcastic with someone. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 10:05:09 PM | | It's unfortunate that a few make it bad for everybody else. I've walked past some people and felt the purfure go down my lungs. It's awful. | |
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e-wok
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Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 163 | |
| Canada ban on Perfumes
Posted: 4/14/2007 10:19:19 PM | Halifax has already banned perfume in public places. That happened
in 2000. The ban is expected to spread to other cities...so basically,
secondhand perfume is only allowed in the privacy of your own
home. As a smoker, I just have to laugh because I can still smoke
but just not in bars or patios etc...but once the perfume wearer's
put it on, they ain't goin' no place.
Next time there's a fuss over smoking, we smokers won't be there
to back you.
BTW: Ottawa is the next city that appears to be getting set for
a city wide ban.
Vancouver; A bus driver kicked a perfume wearer off the bus a few
weeks back....so it looks like the ball is about to roll here too.
Hey, Angie, wassup? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 10:19:23 PM |  here here suju.....i have severe asthma and let me tell ya theres been days at work where ive left hacking and with major migrains....perfumes.....hairsprays and chemicals that they clean the washrooms with make any asthmatic very ill.....so i say keep ur bodies clean with soap people and all will be well  | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 10:57:01 PM | kaygraj67
Aren't you in the slightest bit curious as to why there has been an approximately 600 % increase in asthma in the last decade. Certainly can't blame it on smoking. As a matter of fact, the increase in asthma started in the 1960's. And just keeps increasing.
Why the increases in life threatening allergies, autism, ADHD?
Why are you so interested in a band-aid solution instead of finding out what the hell is going on! Wasn't the anti-smoking campaign supposed to lead to decreased health care costs and benefits for all! A case of lung cancer costs about $24,000 US but a lifetime of asthma costs far far more.
I don't know, anymore than anyone else, what the heck is going on but some scientists have theorized that our world is too clean. That our immune systems are not sufficiently challenged to develop normally. This theory applies not only to bacteria and viruses but also the air that is too clean. Don't forget - for all of the history of man - our bodies developed by evolution in the presence of smoke from burning organic matter. Wood, coal, oil and even manure. Whatever we could lay our hand on that would burn - we burned it to heat our homes and cook our food.
Asthma is a hyperactive response to environmental stimulants. If your immune system and your lungs are properly challenged as a child, then you don't develop asthma.
What has happened in the last 10 years that is turning our children into emotional and physical cripples. The only thing I can think of is that in the last 10 years - 82 % of Canadian homes went non-smoking. We have an entire generation of asthmatic, allergic children with higher rates of autism and ADHD.
The only other thing I can think of is that this generation of kids has been kept tied to the apron strings alot closer than previous generations. Kids aren't allowed to leave the yard until they are 10. All activities outside the home are supervised. Kids get driven to and from the activity. Perhaps a drastic change in physical activity. A change that doesn't allow our children to get the exercise they need to develop properly.
Perhaps parents who panic and run to the dr as soon as the kid start breathing hard. The dr. then prescribes asthma and gives the kid inhalable steroids. Or perhaps the overuse of antibiotics with kids never allowed to fully fight minor respiratory infection by themselves?
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babs3
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Joined: 7/30/2006
Msg: 167 | |
| Canada ban on Perfumes
Posted: 4/15/2007 12:37:39 AM | My son's best friend has a peanut allergy. His mom has taught him what to avoide and what to do if god forbid he ever has an allergic reation. When this kid is at my house I make sure what I am serving the kids for dinner or snacks dosen't include anything with peanuts..mainly not to make him feel left out and because I am resonsible for him when he is at my house. However, his own Mom has told me that they do have peanut butter in the house and a few other products that are not peanut-free. Iwas was kinda surprised at that but she told me she knows the rest of the world won't be peanut free anytime soon and her son should start learning how to deal with his medical allergies now, so when he grows up he will know exactly how to take care of himself.
I have to say, I agree with that logic.
How can anyone expect the majority of the population to conform their lifestyle to meet the needs of people who have these health issues? I think most people who have a friend or family member with this type of health issue (severe allergies) are probably respectful and out of common courtesy take the neccessary measures to ensure a safe enviroment....as they should....but even with the sympathy I have for people with allergy related ailments....I am not prepared to change my lifestyle everytime I walk outside the door on the off chance that I will run into someone who is allergic to the scent I wear or the cat hair I may have picked up on my clothes. If people who are in the minority with these kinds of health risks actually expect government to inflict these types of bans on the rest of us in the majority.....they shouldn't be surprised at the reaction I share with most of the posters...and perhaps should consider segregation as a soloution instead! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 2:22:11 AM | | I have to admit, I am flabbergasted. I thought people were just not aware of the problem. Artificial scents are such a frivolity, yet to argue that it is one's right to force them on others, endangering some and making countless others uncomfortable? I am afraid I just don't understand. | |
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e-wok
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Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 169 | |
| Canada ban on Perfumes
Posted: 4/15/2007 2:32:56 AM |
Artificial scents are such a frivolity, yet to argue that it is one's right to force them on others, endangering some and making countless others uncomfortable?
One's health should take a back seat to those that want to smell pretty. | |
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Msg: 170 | |
| Canada ban on Perfumes
Posted: 4/15/2007 3:03:20 AM | butbutbutterfly,
The outrage to the banning of perfumes has got very little to do with perfume....If you think it does...your not looking at the bigger picture here. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:13:48 AM | | ....freedom of choice...........stay home if the outside world offends you so much''Whats next?.wake up people'' | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:15:13 AM | | ....freedom of choice...........stay home if the outside world offends you so much''Whats next?.wake up people'' | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 8:06:11 AM | kayqraj67: Oh, your majesty, how else can I change my lifestyle to please you?
People like you who think that THIER issues should dictate MY life really tick me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still have the right to decide what I put on my body and I will damn well use that right. *get a nose plug, you wuss. | |
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