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 mystlw

Joined: 9/19/2005
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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/1/2007 9:09:11 PM

The science he uses in his presentation/documentary is, for the most part, true.


Is this the same science that led experts in the 70s to panic about global cooling, and the coming ice age?
Perhaps we'd believe people like Al Gore more readily if they could get their stories straight.
 zxczxc

Joined: 12/6/2006
Msg: 27
Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/1/2007 9:20:55 PM
I have no faith in the human race. There is no question that we will become extinct whether by our own means or not. Don't worry about it. It's a tragic certainty. Struggle and suffer like all the other beings on the planet and then die.
 sombient

Joined: 2/7/2007
Msg: 28
Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/1/2007 11:15:32 PM
I'm with the Hippy (redneck) on this one.

Much as I have respected Al in the past, those of us who have worked in environmental engineering/technology are unimpressed with his movie.

Largely lip service and feel good, short on answers, sloppy science or weak science.

Too bad he didn't use a more knowledgable technical writing staff for the movie.
 Justin Case Sr.

Joined: 11/29/2005
Msg: 29
Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 3:18:12 AM
Yes.....perhaps........

But......

He still created the internet

 CharlesEdm

Joined: 9/16/2006
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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 3:46:27 AM
Geeze you'd think you guys would actually CHECK on one of these claims.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

I guess it's easier just to swallow whatever the Republican attack machine says whole eh?

 get_mad_baby

Joined: 4/9/2005
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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 4:17:36 AM
^^^^

And have a Dittohead think for themselves? Or even question authority. It's much easier to have someone else say which position to take.

Regardless, global warming or global cooling, we, the humans in industrial countries, are taking millions upon millions of barrels of oil, which is carbon and hydrogen, out of the ground, burning it, oxidizing, and it goes into the atmosphere. CO2 is rising, heat is being trapped, and the ice caps are melting, this is what is observed. Al Gore is bringing others peer reviewed science fact to the general populous.

But, how can one try to teach someone. There are people who don't believe in dinosaurs and prehistoric plants, which ironically is now the oil in their cars.

All in all, is Al Gore being a bad person? No, not at all. Redirect your anger to the big oil and the fake war we are now engaged.
 roughpoet

Joined: 7/5/2006
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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 5:02:47 AM
Al Gore is a visionary, worse luck that he is not striding the Hall of Justice right now.

The world needs more Al Gores.
 CharlesEdm

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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 5:15:15 AM
It's a funny thing the criticisms of al gore.

I'll give a real one.

An inconvenient truth doesn't really touch to well on the science of what is occurring, instead it focuses on stirring emotion. In some ways, I don't like it, as somebody who is informed about the topic, I find it's dumbing it down a little, not really giving it the respect it deserves...

At the same time I think the science side of this has been established. Try talking to a geosciences grad about global warming not existing and they will look at you like you're an idiot. The problem is that certain groups are muddying the issue in a similar manner they did with tobacco. To this day people will occasionally state that tobacco isn't bad for them. An appeal to emotion in this scenario is whats left if you want to get the message out. It's the equivalent of those brutal anti drinking and driving adds, or those smoking adds that show people with their voice boxes removed. Are these really the greatest most substantial arguments for these issues? No, but I'd rather take this road and hopefully make a few more people understand what's at stake here. Rather than take the high road and be ignored.

Unfortunately the groups that have no interest in changing the status quo know this as well. Which is why they are doing their own appeals to emotion. As we can see with this perposterous attack on Al Gore here. Like so many other attacks, when you peel away the top layer, you find the same voices, spewing the same lies.

I'm not an Al Gore fanboi either, he creeps me out with his censorship crap.
 rco20

Joined: 4/29/2006
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Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 5:24:15 AM
You are missing the big picture here! Al Gore who cares how much he uses! Did none of you people see this coming before Al Gore made a movie about it? The fact is Al or no Al, people need to lower there admissions. If it's not already too late....The way things are going the human race will never surrvive. Nice hot solar flares from the sun will get through the earths radiation shield and scorch the earths surface.
Oh and as for Al Gore, well as the old saying goes "the rich get richer the poor get poorer"
 rev0218

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Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 6:07:10 AM
Al Gore is not a scientist. He has never claimed to be. The role he took on for himself was to make people aware of the issue. Obviously he has done that job well. All the rest in my opinion is just back biting.
 smitten2meetu

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Is Al Gore a Hypocrite?
Posted: 3/2/2007 9:53:09 AM
If we all owned 20 bedroom house with a Pool house on the property, I know my electric bill would be higher than my 1 bedroom I reside in.

Al Gore name is no longer being ignored when he was the Vice President, Al oscar award documentary has gotten to bring his slide show out to a new level of awareness. Global warming has been brought to the forefront and its due to Al Gore wanting all of us to be aware of our climate changes.
 *Lucky_Van*

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Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 10:04:27 AM
The data shows that warming is happening..
Yes, the information is dumbed down. The average person probably doesn't give a shit about how to measure carbon dioxide. The purpose of the film was to bring awareness to the topic, not for Al Gore to become the leading spokesperson for global warming. He was interested in it, he had the money to make a film based on his presentation so he did it.
And as for the nitpicking about his house and energy bill...who cares..He's rich, he's famous, he has a big house just like any other person in his position does. He obviously cares, he seems pretty passionate it.
 JumpingRaindrops

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Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 11:26:18 AM
The fact that he cares doesn't do squat to lessen his consumption. It's like driving an SUV with a "Be Green" bumper sticker on it.

But that's the problem with all politicians - they pretend to have all sorts of solutions for the ills of society when the truth is, they have never actually lived with the realities that most of us do on a daily basis. They are a privileged class, who rake in more interest on their investments on a daily basis than most of us will earn in the next year. It's nice when one of them cares, but so what? Your life and mine mean absolutely nothing to them - they don't even see us - they are just celebrities whose decisions happen to have a lot of impact on our lives. Which is why they can get all this attention and validation for their ideas - whatever the rest of us may think - but they don't actually have any reason to make lifestyle changes that would indicate their commitment on a personal level.

Kinda like having a draft dodger for a commander-in-chief don a flight suit and strut around proclaiming "Mission Accomplished." Hey, it's not his kids getting killed out there....
 Mutnik

Joined: 8/11/2006
Msg: 39
Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 11:50:33 AM
Whatever happened to leading by example???I guess now adays that only counts if your NOT a lear jet liberal.I do think he is a hypocrite when he makes this "documentary" and tells all of us how we should be driving smaller cars and useing less energy while he flies in a personal lear jet,uses limos and suvs then has this HUGE house to power.If Rush limbaugh had done this,the left out there would be all over it yellin how he was hypocritical etcetc....
 Sierrasman

Joined: 9/26/2006
Msg: 40
Al Gore maybe!
Posted: 3/2/2007 11:52:09 AM
I agree with JumpingRaindrops, and that's why Al Bore, I mean Gore, gets support from all of the Hollywood elite. They don't live like we do either, but they all think that us common folk are a bunch of lemmings who will blindly follow if the right Holywood folk jump on the bandwagon.

But I also think all politicians are the same, Republican and Democrat. It has nothing to do with the people they are supposed to represent. It's all about power.
 zenster60

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Thanks for the Internet Al
Posted: 3/2/2007 12:04:45 PM
You also frogot to mention al's largest achievemnet. The invention of the internet.
Without Al there would be no POF
 Uptowner

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Thanks for the Internet Al
Posted: 3/2/2007 2:38:16 PM
+++You also frogot to mention al's largest achievemnet. The invention of the internet.
Without Al there would be no POF+++

No, Zenster, the most important thing to come out of this thread is a demonstration of how small, intellectually limited, and jealous most of us posters are on POF.

Facts seem unimportant -- first and foremost, Gore never claimed to invent the internet. He spoke of his actions in helping create the internet. In the 80s he was supporting legislation that eased restrictions on and funded research on supercomputers -- together with other items which have evolved into modern high speed communications.

He was at least a decade ahead of me -- so tell me, when were you first on line.

Let's see now -- you have gobbled up hopeless rightwing pap and spread it.
Al Gore saw, 10 years before me, the potential power of the internet and helped further its development.

Uhm -- I think I'll go with Al.
 loversnapper

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Posted: 3/2/2007 4:10:00 PM
to msg.33 - I am glad he has tried to stir emotion rather than display the hardcore science because he will reach far more people this way. If the film was too technical - then he would have many people tuning it out.

I admire what he has done making the average person much more aware of global warming - but I too am not a fan of his looney censorship nonsense years ago.

I do think he should be driving a gas sipping car etcetera but as an ex VP of the USA this cannot happen.

As for flying on a private jet, again, he is an ex VP which means there are security concerns which for the rest of his life must be put out front.
 Ottawa_Chicklet

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Posted: 3/2/2007 5:58:00 PM
Question for y'all who are critiquing Al Gore for not practicing what he preaches. Do you actually think he's going to live like the Amish? Will that be good enough for you? Is that what you expect?

The way I see, Al has got to live his life. And in today's world, it difficult to work, conduct business and just plain live day-to-day without leaving some sort of carbon footprint. Unfortunately, the technology is either not available yet or too expensive for most. Of course, Al is no pauper and can afford to "green up" his and his family's life... and that what he's done:

1) Gore's family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family's carbon footprint -- a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore's office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore's do, to bring their footprint down to zero.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson-and-james-boyce/a-far-too-convenient-mea_b_42171.html

So no matter if he's the biggest green power energy pig out there, he does not leave any carbon footprints with his electricity bills. Hence, he's does not contribute to Global Warming. When he has to fly or drive (he's got a hybrid limo, BTW), he offsets that by buying carbon offsets. I'd like to hear "better suggestions" from those who think that carbon offsets are a joke. Al is doing what he can do, based-on the means and technology we have TODAY. What are YOU doing?
 mystlw

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Posted: 3/2/2007 6:28:18 PM

first and foremost, Gore never claimed to invent the internet.


No, he claimed that he "took the initiative in creating the internet", which denies credit to those people responsible for the components that have been coming together since as far back as the 70s, as well as the Pentagon-funded Arpanet.

He mispeaks a lot, but those occasions aren't as publicized or ridiculed as they are when Bush does it. If George W. had called Michael Jordan "Michael Jackson", he would still be hearing about it.


Do you actually think he's going to live like the Amish? Will that be good enough for you? Is that what you expect?


No, I expect him to live as he's asking us to live. How many children does he have? Enough to fill the 20-room house that he's heating and cooling throughout the year?
 grog27

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Posted: 3/2/2007 6:38:25 PM
"Is this the same science that led experts in the 70s to panic about global cooling, and the coming ice age? "

??!? Sorry, but you're on your own with THAT one!!?! Don't recall ANY sort of discussion about "global cooling" in the 70's...or any decade in recent memory.
Could this be yet ANOTHER case of setting up "straw-man " pseudo-arguments just so you can, essentially, debate YOURSELF?

Nice try, but...
 mystlw

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Posted: 3/2/2007 6:55:00 PM
??!? Sorry, but you're on your own with THAT one!!?! Don't recall ANY sort of discussion about "global cooling" in the 70's...or any decade in recent memory.


And, because you don't remember it, it can't be so, right?? You obviously have a computer, and therefore access to Google, but you chose instead to disbelieve it because you didn't want to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

And I quote:


In the 1970s, there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. The general public had little awareness about carbon dioxide's effects: at the time garbage, chemical disposal, smog, particulate pollution, and acid rain were the focus of public concern, although Paul R. Ehrlich mentions climate change from the greenhouse gases in 1968.[2] Not long after the idea of global cooling reached the public press in the mid-1970s, the temperature trend stopped going down. Even by the early 1970s, there was concern in the climatological community about carbon dioxide's effects,[3] and it was known that both natural and man-made effects caused variations in global climate.


Basically, the Earth's temperature cooled for nearly three decades, thus, "the coming Ice Age". It's been warming for three decades, thus, "Global Warming".

Google is our friend.
 Ottawa_Chicklet

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Posted: 3/2/2007 7:17:42 PM
No, he claimed that he "took the initiative in creating the internet", which denies credit to those people responsible for the components that have been coming together since as far back as the 70s, as well as the Pentagon-funded Arpanet.


A interview taken out of context. What's new?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Snopes is our friend.

He mispeaks a lot, but those occasions aren't as publicized or ridiculed as they are when Bush does it. If George W. had called Michael Jordan "Michael Jackson", he would still be hearing about it.


So are you saying that the Gore interview is still not talked about? It happened 8 years ago, yet there still mention of it. So what are you saying again? Gore is not ridiculed? I think he was "Swiftboated" more than Kerry.


No, I expect him to live as he's asking us to live. How many children does he have? Enough to fill the 20-room house that he's heating and cooling throughout the year?


I bet he leaves less carbon footprints that yourself. I'm positive he leaves less that I. Fact is, he leaves none. It doesn't matter that his energy consuption in 20x greater. He has a bigger house. The big difference is that it's green.

2 bedroom green house = 0 cabon footprints
20 bedroom green house with heated pool and electric fence = 0 carbon footprints
 CharlesEdm

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Thanks for the Internet Al
Posted: 3/2/2007 7:25:21 PM
You also frogot to mention al's largest achievemnet. The invention of the internet.
Without Al there would be no POF


proof possitive gentlemen, that people don't bother reading anything in this damn forum, this malicious rumor was quelled no 5 posts before this guy decided to chime in.


Basically, the Earth's temperature cooled for nearly three decades, thus, "the coming Ice Age". It's been warming for three decades, thus, "Global Warming".

Google is our friend.


reading your sources entirely is also your friend

this is taken DIRECTLY from your source


Although there was a cooling trend then, it should be realised that climate scientists were perfectly well aware that predictions based on this trend were not possible - because the trend was poorly studied and not understood (for example see reference[8]). However in the popular press the possibility of cooling was reported generally without the caveats present in the scientific reports.


Anybody else want to post something that obviously shows they arn't reading past the first paragraph?
 woobytoodsday

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Posted: 3/2/2007 8:13:35 PM
Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we
know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in
the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual
leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high
speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on
how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating
the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into
an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials
in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured the
passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.


http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/cyberia-l/msg27399.html

Iff'n ya'll don't *know* who Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf *are* ~~ you might want to look them up, lol!

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Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/


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