Alcura
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Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 26 | |
| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 3/6/2007 12:11:39 AM | This is classic polarization. As Dubois penned, "race is a system of economic and political exploitation." 'Color' classification is a convenient tool used in executing a desired outcome.
As someone previously posted, historical understanding in this matter is fragmented, but one must bare in mind who was keeping account! My paternal grandparents lived this experience, so I offer that Native American ancestorial practices were inclusive to people of color, unlike the view of the status government of the time.
In, "Black Indians" by William Loren Katz, the author estimates that 80% of all African Americans today have Native American blood, because the cross-cultural 'mixing' was so intense and significant. The granting of limited citizenship to African slaves was not accidental, neither was Native American enrollment and attendance at Historically Black Colleges (HBC's) decades later, as color based discrimination was still actively levied against Native Americans.
Until 'color' is non-distinguishable, or not so readily determined, there will always be 'color' based discrimination because it is an integral part of a tiered capitalist system. Since when has immigration, illegal or otherwise, not been planned? Discrimination is more American than apple pie...this is nothing new, only for those in denial and shortsightedness. The mechanics of capitalistism do not allow everyone to be rich, anymore than it shields people from collecting aluminum cans for a living; be advised, the gap is growing with equal speed and silence. The Nation's decision is one of classic polarization. Whatever it takes to separate the haves from the haves not. The quicker, the easier, the better.
Eventually everything will be intel and class-based, which so far is delineated by which side one sits on the digital divide. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 3/7/2007 12:25:17 AM | | The Cherokee Nation has limited resources and is trying to take care of its people and preserve its culture the way it sees fit. The people excluded are not Cherokee in the original sense of being Cherokee, and they have the right when it comes to helping those of their tribe the way they see fit. It is up to every Native American tribe to set its own rules. It may smack of prejudice. I mean being an Indian can't be said to having nothing to do with having Indian blood so to speak. That is a big part of it. I feel mixed on this issue, but they ruled democratically on the issue and that is what the tribe decided. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 3/15/2007 8:10:50 PM | They are decendants of slaves...Not cherokee
and you only hafe to have one parent with cherokee bood to regester. | |
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Alcura
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Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 29 | |
| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 5/21/2007 7:46:59 PM |
They are decendants of slaves...Not cherokee
and you only hafe to have one parent with cherokee bood to regester.
My response is more practice than anything Vega, but they are decendants of both, slaves and Cherokee. Most of the people you walk past everyday have Native blood, if registering was that easy, everyone would do it. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 5/22/2007 2:08:48 AM | This sort of thing isn't unique to the Cherokees.
Ever since the obvious virtues of Casino Revenues were discovered, just about every Native American tribe has had it's own citizenship disputes. People who were once allowed in have been steadily weeded out all over the country .
One of my own grandmothers was a full Cherokee, but I'm not close enough by blood to be a citizen.
Frankly I think the Cherokees are being a little unfair to those who have always been citizens. If it wasn't for the money involved they wouldn't be having this discussion. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/11/2007 2:50:45 PM | cougar99-I love you-- 
I have visited the charakee indian reservation many times. I love it there. All the people are so nice. I like getting my picture taken with them, when they are wearing indian outfits feathers. I have found several arrowheads. I have alot of respect for the charakees. My anceestors(I guess my family was here then, not sure) were wrong in running them off their land. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/12/2007 12:42:12 AM | Well... native Americans have a reason to be racist, if anybody. Well, black people do to, but I'm not gonna go there right now.  | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/12/2007 4:04:27 AM | Why do you say native americans and black people have a reason to be racist?  | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/16/2007 11:13:57 AM | sparda8 is saying that "both groups have a right to be racist due to the racism visited upon them by Europeans and then what came to be known as white people."
However, I don't agree with that. No one has a "right" to be racist owards anyone....especially when we all are of one RACE....the human race.
The Cherokees...like all other groups around the world...can trace their lineage back to an African woman that lived thousands of years ago. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/16/2007 11:37:16 AM | nipoleon: This sort of thing isn't unique to the Cherokees.
Jordan: Who said that it was?
nipo: Frankly I think the Cherokees are being a little unfair to those who have always been citizens. If it wasn't for the money involved they wouldn't be having this discussion.
Jordan: Agreed.
It's all about greed and the limiting of resources to a select few...just as whites are doing in amerikkka. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/17/2007 1:41:39 AM | It is sort of like what the government and corporations are doing to all of us...
It isnt right to kick out members, they could not let in new members... they have been ripped off, murdered, had their land stolen from them.. yet.. they have managed to make fortunes...
Why are they being sued? Money.. None of the slaves nor the people that owned them are alive today... so who is suing who?
Can I sue Ireland because they have money and I come from there a few hundred years ago?
It is like lawyers sit around and research who has money, then get a group of people together and file lawsuits with little or no merrit... I dont understand how anyone could take money from another based on things that happened in anothers lifetime...
In the history I have read... the Dutch were the largest slave traders, first selling slaves to the sugar cane fields in the Carribean, and the groups that actually went in and kidnapped the Africans were other Black... Africans... and to this very day in Africa there are wars between the countries where they kill, kidnapp, rape, force in to modern day slavery of prostitution, garment workers, home workers, the drug trade and more.
As we are all distracted with the rights of people, our Bush is selling off our jobs, our middle class, our country and our future... the corporations are polluting this earth far more than the citizens, yet we are the ones that pay, they have taxed us to the breaking point, we have nothing but debt.. while a select few are making billions off of our backs.
We have been sold out like the Indians (for the lack of a better description)... If I could find a place on this earth where people worked together for the common good, where they helped each other, where greed was a social taboo, where the constitution was not eroded by lawyers and special interest groups,, and corruption was non existant... dont you think that everyone would want to live there?
I have studied several of the Indian nations and have found that it certainly was not perfect, but it was pretty good and they were wise, had love for each other, the earth and even forgiveness...
Yes there were bad people that were Indians and caused lots of grief for the good people.
Why dont the Indian people sue the USA to get all of their land back?
Well, I will hope that someone can answer this and the other questions...
BL | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/17/2007 9:44:01 AM | I think a line should be drawn of who is actually an American Indian by blood and who is one by mixed blood with aliens.
I lived on two reservations. I saw how they treated each other. If you were less then half blood, you were thought of as having less importance on the res. If you were 1/4th or less, well you might as well of been white or Spanish etc.
My own two kids are 1/16 Utes on their mom's side. Should I go make a claim for them as being Ute indians to see if thet can get benefits? I think not. Neither do they.
Racism has nothing to do with this matter. Money and lands have everything to do with this matter. There is only so much money and so many lands to go around and making a definition of who is Cherokee and who is not is a good thing for them.
I personally feel if you can prove you are 1/2 or more Cherokee by blood, regardless of your race, your name should be on there books. If your less then half, you can claim to being part cherokee but you don't get any goodies! | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/17/2007 4:01:43 PM | This is an honest question. Do the people who were revoked as cherokees live by cherokee laws or do they live as another culture and take the benefits being a cherokee has to offer?
My daughter is part cherokee. Maybe I should demand her be in the tribe. As far as Darran Buzzard saying "PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTER[S] . . . FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION." he can still do this. Just make everyone live my cherokee laws, no matter what race they are mixed with,and a person should be a certain percent cherokee to be in the tribe. As a matter offact,, different cultures demonstrate to have laws changed they think will benefit them.Why cant the cherokees fight to change rules they feel will benifit them. Sounds like a double standard going on here. Its the chiefs decision to make. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/17/2007 8:37:27 PM | from post 35
amerikkka.
This sort of thing use to piss whites off. Now most of us just laugh at the person acting stupid.
Limitations should have been put in place long ago. I understand someone wanting to preserve their culture. I am sure every one else want to preserve theirs. I see it all around me every day. Nothing is wrong with it, as I see. I do know what would have been a good idea. dont revoke anyone but change admission to the tribe rules. Other words, babies being born not of a certain percent cherokee are not to be admitted.
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/22/2007 8:44:33 AM | montanan: My own two kids are 1/16 Utes on their mom's side. Should I go make a claim for them as being Ute indians to see if thet can get benefits? I think not. Neither do they.
Jordan: Did your children ever live on a reservation?
montanan: Racism has nothing to do with this matter. Money and lands have everything to do with this matter.
Jordan: Racism is about the curtailment of citizenship and resources to a select group, just as whites have and are limiting citizenship rights and access to opportunities to People of Color (African-/Asian-/Latino-/ and "Native"-Americans.
The casinos, etc., are an unlimited source of resources.
Hence, the "kicking out of certain members" is nothing but racism and greed. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/22/2007 9:01:34 AM | Replace the word "Cherokee" with "white"...then see where your thoughts lie.
to attempt to supply benefits to only those of "pure blood" is racist. The gov't can step in and take half the monies and turn it over to those of "impure blood", thereby finishing the issue. The "purebloods" have their, the "impure" have theirs...half a loaf being better than no loaf.
I saw one poster crying that it was wrong that her ancestors chased the natives off the land. Did I hear her volunteering to sign her land over to the nearest tribe and move off somewhere else, thereby recifying this "huge criminal act her forebearers committed"? Nope.....In fact. I've never heard of ONE of these native supporters ever turning THEIR lands back over to the native, without a court battle! You'd think anyone with such a ...ummm..hmmm...social conciounse would make headline news.
ah well.....Again...equal rights for ALL gets stomped into the ground by those wanting special treatment. Perhaps one day alaw will be made that actually treats all peoples the same. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/22/2007 2:06:31 PM | just as whites have and are limiting
Why are you complaining about whites in a cherakee racism forum anyway. Are the whites kicking them out or the cherakees?????????????????????? I think I see obsessive behavior disorder
Did I hear her volunteering to sign her land over to the nearest tribe and move off somewhere else, thereby recifying this "huge criminal act her forebea
I am sure you are referring to me. I dont own land to offer back. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/22/2007 4:04:16 PM | LOL...that's ok....anyone who does isn't stepping forth to do that anyways.
Racism takes many forms. This is why people need be treated equally...thereby eradicating any racism or prejudices within the court systems, society in general, anywhere it is encountered. Those seeking special status or priveledge need be told "No, but you will be treated the same as anyone else."
Limiting rights? Only because we allow the politicians to do so. start sending people to office that are going to do as YOU want them to, not what some party line says they will do. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/22/2007 7:05:51 PM | Perhaps one day a law will be made that actually treats all peoples the same.
Good point, but we are the ones entrusted to enforce it among each other, and thats when the trouble starts. | |
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| Cherokee Racism
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:41:22 AM | | I just re-read the original post. The ancestors of those being revoked were forced into the tribe as slaves. I was under the impression it was from marriying outside the tribe. So, I change my position on this, they should not be revoked. | |
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| Not racism
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:20:26 AM | | Well we genrally cherish as an American value that we are not judged by our fathers actions, so Im extending the same value to the cherokees. I dont believe in reperations, so there no entitlement to citizenship as a member of the Cherokees | |
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| Not racism
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:32:08 AM | | Merc...reparations are not what is being looked for. If, all of a sudden, American politicians decided that black people had their citizenship revoked because their ancestors were slaves, would it be alright? This is what is happening. The descendants of the slaves are being tossed out, thereby not getting the benefits from the tribal coffers. The whole issue stinks! | |
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| Not racism
Posted: 8/25/2007 1:30:07 PM | | Whether this is good or bad I am unsure, havent looked at it close enough. Not a good anology- only b/c those born on American soil are considered by law to be Americans- again its not who your father is or where he came from but your rights derive from ideals. | |
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| Not racism
Posted: 8/25/2007 3:41:20 PM | only b/c those born on American soil are considered by law to be Americans
But what if this rule is changed?Send all black people back to africa? What if the indians decide they dont want anyone on their land, so they decide to rovoke the welcome their ancestors gave the the settlers.Do they ship us all out. | |
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| racism
Posted: 10/19/2007 11:03:50 AM | ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SUPPORTS MOVE TO SEVER RELATIONS WITH CHEROKEE NATION
Alpha Kappa Alpha's international president Barbara A. McKinzie applauded Congresswoman Diane E. Watson for introducing House Resolution 2824, which calls for the U.S. to sever relations with the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. This legislation was triggered by the Cherokee Nation's decision to expel 2800 members of the black Cherokees from its ranks. McKinzie said that at the heart of this expulsion is racism.
"This," said McKinzie, "violates provisions of a treaty agreement between the United States and the Cherokee Nation and this cannot be tolerated."
McKinzie also joined the Congressional Black Caucus in demanding that the Bureau of Indian Affairs leverage its power to force the Nation to restore the black Cherokees (freedmen) to their former status without provisions or conditions. "Until these actions are implemented," declared McKinzie, "the government should withhold the approximate $225 million it allocates to the Cherokee Nation."
In issuing her call to action, she denounced the government for failing to respond to address this matter. She said that failure "makes the government complicit and emboldens the Cherokee Nation to continue to discriminate."
McKinzie said that until this matter is resolved, she is asking members of Alpha Kappa Alpha in Oklahoma to "cease and desist" from supporting the Cherokee Nation's gaming operations, establishments or any other enterprises that they own. She also issued a call to Alpha Kappa Alpha's 200,000 members to bombard the Department of Interior and the Bureau of Indian Affairs with letters and calls of protest.
The Alpha Kappa Alpha leader was particularly outraged because the Cherokee Nation was once disenfranchised and forced to flee its native land when Americans overtook them.
"For a group once victimized to, in turn, commit the same act against a minority within its own nation is an irony that is tragic." McKinzie added that the black Cherokees have contributed to the glorious history of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and should not be marginalized.
"The government should levy a stiff punishment on the Cherokee Nation and send a message to any other tribe considering such an action. Moreover, the next Attorney General should make righting this wrong a first priority," declared McKinzie.
She added that the Secretary of Interior and the Assistant Secretary of the Bureau of Indiana Affairs should move with haste to remedy this situation.
McKinzie also expressed support of Congressman Watson's call to require the Department of Interior to issue a report to Congress on the status of freedmen's rights in all tribes. In her praise, she noted that Congresswoman Watson is also a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha.
McKinzie says she has a personal interest in this matter because she hails from Oklahoma.
"I am a descendant of the black Cherokees so I am personally invested in this matter," she confided. "I know the legacy of the black Cherokees and the contribution they've made to the Cherokee Nation and to the State of Oklahoma. Because of my black Cherokee roots, I am also a victim of this action."
While McKinzie noted that the issue is unique to Oklahoma, she said its implications elevate it to a worldwide level because it is symptomatic of a larger problem that must be addressed.
Against that reality, she urged all fair-minded people to demand justice by to sending a strong message to the Nation, its leaders and to the government.
For a roster of the government officials to contact, and for the full text of the legislation, she encouraged members and right-thinking Americans to log on to Congresswoman Watson's official website at http://www.house.gov/watson.
CONTACT: Melody M. McDowell -
Chief Information Officer
773-660-2001
melodyaka@aol.com | |
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