| How much is to much..
Posted: 3/8/2007 11:42:57 AM |
Obviously you have never had to subdue someone before. humans have 4 higly agile appendages that can cause serious damage (and a headbutt can hurt like hell too). It can take more than one adult to subdue a violent _child_ let alone a full grown woman.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I have been witness to a 7 year old girl having to be carried from a party by two grown men because she was so worked up, and they were struggling to restrain her. We dont know the full circumstances, how can we judge one way or the other!! | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 11:46:30 AM | the footage doesn't let you hear what she may have been saying or threatening...
Totally agree pants. She could have been saying she had a bomb strapped to her back in which case she deserved a right upper hook !! Im sure she will sell her story to the papers ...££££......then compensation...££££ .....same old , same old !! | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 12:17:20 PM | Spyro
well said, doesn't matter how big or small you are, as spyro said there are four agile appendages that can cause serious damage.
A few months back I was wittness to a women roughly size 8 tanked up in broad daylight attack a police officer, dragged her to the ground and kicked the living crap out of her, it took four police male officers to restrain her, cuff her and drag her to the police van. The female officer recieved a broken elbow and other injurys. So what the hell has her size got to do with it. The bloody woman will be seeing pound signs. And where the hell do you think any compensation will come from.  
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to bloody right I would, if that had been my sister my words would have been you deserved what you got. I just hope that this gets laughed at and thrown were it belongs in the rubbish with the rest of the crap. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 1:18:43 PM | I watched this footage this morning and I have to say I found it pretty disturbing and felt that the police were very much OTT but as per usual, nothing will happen to them as they are a law unto themselves.
I have witnessed police brutality first hand and have given a statement to a solicitor as to what happened but never heard any more about it. The man in question didnt do anything apart from shout up at someones window when drunk (breach of the peace) I seen the police grab him, bang his head a few times against the police car door, throw him in the back seat then continue to kick the shit out of him, all the while looking round to make sure no-one ws watching.
I dont care what this young woman done (and I wouldnt be happy is she had vandalised my car either) there should not be one law for the police and another one for us. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 1:35:36 PM | Of course as with everything there will always be a VERY small number of officers that think that being a policeman means you have the right to do what you like to people....... BUT...i saw this footage today and i have to say there is no way of knowing where the girl was hit, when people are drunk and out of control you have to use force to restrain them, for their own good and for the safety of others.. i never get this police brutality thing, they have a job to do..protecting all of us so we can sleep soundly in our beds at night, and if you break the law you deserve everything you get and i don't care how you are treated as long as you are removed from the streets..do i care she was a woman..? hell no..she is a CRIMINAL and should therefore get the EQUAL OPPORTUNITY that we seem to bleet about so much, and get treated like all the others...
My ex is a policeman and i can't recall the amount of times he came home with injuries from women..from big massive bruises on his shins and arms to actually having to go to hospital to have a tetanus where one woman bit him while he was trying to arrest her for funnily enough being drunk and disorderly..she actually drew blood and left a perfect set of teeth prints in his arm for weeks...
Leave them to do their job, it's tough enough to do it without all this going on..
Lets face it.. this would never have happened to her if she was'nt breaking the law...Hmmmm i feel a moral coming on there.... | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 1:41:23 PM | | i may make enemies on my veiw.. but the law is way to soft here,if you break the law then you get whats coming,resisting arrest the officers should use force just like they do over the pond and in other countries maybe just maybe the offender will remember the beating they took and not do it again | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 1:56:20 PM | ^^^^^^^ I quite agree that if you break the law then you should be punished. There is no way the police should be allowed to 'beat' people up as you put it and get away with it. They have to abide by the law the same as everyone else.
Please god that our police never become as bad or are armed like 'over the pond' as you put it. We would really be in trouble then as a lot of them are just trigger happy.
I also dont agree that all the laws in this country, a lot of the time the law is a complete ass so does that follow that if you break some silly bylaw or commit a traffic offence then its ok to use brute force? I dont think so. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 2:09:00 PM | Tazers & tranq darts has to be the way to go.
No probs then.
Someone breaking the law & not likely to come quietly , bzzzt / stun dart & down they go.
Handcuffs on, in the back of the van, job done.
"You have the right to gibber incoherently & soil yourself, anything you do say blah blah blah".
Act like a twat get arrested, simple. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:36:10 AM | How nice to see that common sense hasn't completely vanished in this country - all too often it looks like it might have, but this thread has been a breath of fresh air.
Heres a little tale, for your amusiement, of an event I witnessed after comming out to see what the almighty thud at the end of my street (corssroads) was at about 10:00 pm
Some background first - I lived (at the time) about 50 metres from a crossroads, with traffic lights, and a pub on one corner.
so, following the (loud!) thud, I came down the street to gawk at the scene. the police were there already (which is impressive as they are _way_ undermanned here).
What seems to have happened is:
A drunk guy has been speeding across the main road, and failed to notice (and stop for) the lights. hes gone skidding out of control into the roadsign and a big grey box on the other side of the road.
After getting out of his car, he has staggered drunkenly into the crossroads and been hit by another car, and is lying in the middle of the road. This is about when I got there.
Well the reason he got hit is because the 'big grey box' he took out with his car was the traffic light control box - the other car was confuse and didnt see the lights (it is a fairly dark corner) and simply ran him down. (Who doesnt believe in karma now, eh?)
so, back to the guy, who is lying in a puddle of blood (I kid you not) in the middle of the road, much to the growing concern of the loudmouthed yokels who are steadily exiting the pub to gawk and throw abuse at each other (it seems some people knew the guy and a bit of a kerfuffle as to wether hes bad or good was breaking out in the crowd).
He comes round, and tries to sit up and abuse the coppers who are looking out for other cars and havent yet moved him in case hes injured, but only makes it halfway up and then smacks his head on the ground again. lights out.
Next time he comes round, he actually makes it to his feet, and sits on the edge of the road for a while. the coppers decide to cuff him and take him to the infirmary (1 mile away) and at that point he decides he doesn't want to be cuffed and assaults both the officers. They are forced to wrestle him to the ground to cuff him, and then they try to get him in the back of the police car (estate type). He resists and they cant get him in the vehicle.
Inexplicably, he then headbutts (quite on purpose) the rear glass, smashing it, and landing himself flat on the ground again, out cold.
Ultimately, this ended when he was cuffed to a stretcher and dragged off to the local hospital.
Talk about stupid...
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On a more serious note - I think people who do things like damage police property should be forced to pay for the damage.
Same goes for those who destroy public property, eg. speed cameras - the taxpayer pays for those to be replaced, not the criminal - how wrong can you get! | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:46:34 AM | the Welsh Dragon has said something about armed police over the pond...
we are the ONLY nation in the world where the police are NOT armed routinely with hand guns!
When I lived in Germany, one of my english friends there was going out with a copper in the city. I never saw him in his uniform and I'm glad I didn't.. I just saw him as Jurgen.
When I did see a copper though, I can tell you I used to nearly drop my load! why?
hanging off their side is a magnificent and real, revolver!
If I was ever that way inclined, if I knew our police were routinely armed, I'd think pretty damned fast before I stood up to one of them !
Welsh Dragon may have knowledge of the police in his motherland too.. I don't know if they are armed there, I'm sure he'll tell us.
This country IS perceived to be lax -where Police authority is concerned- by other countries. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:55:08 AM | Where would we be without CCTV now ? it has become a part of our every day life Now ! for the better, for catching things like this footage, but as the police officer said on the news, "it would have been better" if the police had been shown the video 1st", so they could deal with it, in their own way, before the pubic, got to see it, and for everyone to jump to conclusions about it !!!
I can sympathise with the person envolved, but if she had not done wrong in the 1st place !!!, she would not have been in that predicamnet.
Just my 50p worh !
Tim | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 6:33:09 PM | I've read elsewhere that the police officer struck the woman 5 times as she managed to grab hold of his testicles, and hitting her was in desperation to make her let go of them.
I know that it might sound a bit odd to a woman, but he was probably absolutely terrified when she grabbed hold of him. It doesn't matter that she is considered a small woman - she would have been more than capable of causing him incredible pain if she started squeezing his testicles. If he hadn't got her to release her grip very quickly he could have been in a very difficult situation.
As a man, I can tell you that I would have probably done the same thing as he did and hit her repeatedly - not because I am a violent man, but out of pure fear after what she did. The thought of a violent woman grabbing hold of our testicles would probably sends shivers down any mans spine !
I liked your response on this topic. As you said, it doesn't matter that she is a woman. If she had not broken the law then none of i would have happened. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:27:11 AM | If any police officer has to throw punches to make an arrest then there is obviously a severe lack of training in restraining methods within the force. It's not an unusual story..... I've sat and watched TV shows where cameras follow the police and even on national TV they seem happy to use an assault to make an arrest. Many times the police officer is the first one to throw a punch or kick, but as soon as that is retaliated against the arrestee is also charged with assaulting a police officer (which for some reason is worse than assaulting any other human).
As for the woman who was arrested..... if she had been having an epileptic fit she would not have been able to react as her movements would have been involuntary. Sounds to me like she simply had an alcohol induced rage and blacked out whilst doing so. I've had times when I've had a black out, usually on the way home. I've also had epileptic fits when I was younger and I could not possibly have run away from anything during or afterwards. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 2:54:26 AM | | Typical politically correct gone mad yet again! if she hadnt been drunk she wouldnt of been chuckd out the club, if she hadnt vandalised the car she wouldnt of been arrestd! maybe if the police done this a bit more crime rates would fall eh? | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:50:47 AM |
As for the woman who was arrested..... if she had been having an epileptic fit she would not have been able to react as her movements would have been involuntary. Sounds to me like she simply had an alcohol induced rage and blacked out whilst doing so. I've had times when I've had a black out, usually on the way home. I've also had epileptic fits when I was younger and I could not possibly have run away from anything during or afterwards.
Yes I agre I rember a frend haveing an epilepttic fit in a bar he ran he was only about 7 st but it still needed 3 of us to hold him down to stop him from hearting himself on the tables in the bar.
Any on know the outcome of this as this happend over a year ago did she get compo or not: I hope not | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:59:45 AM | | I haven't seen the footage either, so I can't comment on this particular case. Generally, however, I think some people deserve a good cuff from the police, who have a tough, thankless job. Officers are abused and humiliated by an increasingly violent public who have zero respect for authority and believe their personal rights outweigh those of the group. We're far too soft and I believe the police should have more power, not less. I'd love to see ill-behaved, antisocial yobs get their comeuppance. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 7:17:58 AM | I was in France recently and there were armed policeman.
There are no asbo's, no gangs, few no go areas.
I think we need the same thing here.
Our police are unsung hero's. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 7:56:50 AM | Haveing livead in Doncaster South York's in the past and seen what the police have to put up with at weekends I think thay shoud have more power not less
and I am a ex con...... along time ago  | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 8:00:49 AM | | Message 43, I think a lot of UK cities are the same come saturday night and folk let their hair down and consume too much booze and impose themselves on others. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 8:29:18 AM | | if you would of asked me this question 10 years ago..i would of said no..only reasonable force should be used..but because of the way society is today and how violent it has become i now think the police should be able to use brute force to arrest any violent thugs..male or female..batons.night sticks.cs gas.taser guns..all should be used to full effect..you got to fight fire with fire..not hug and kiss em and all that shit... | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 8:37:50 AM | | I agree with the force against the criminal activity and I also think a policeman should carry a gun to unable him/her to complete the arrest. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:11:15 PM | | Has society become more violent? Or is it just more widely reported/more visible with so many media streams available these days? Certainly in the areas I know well there is less violence nowadays. I used to see a number of fights every time I went out at night. Now I haven't seen one for a long time, despite going to the same places. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:20:32 PM | | rev..id say it has become much more violent..very much more..when i was young in liverpool it was very bad..punch ups.gang fights.football violence..etc..but not the shootings and stabbings that happen today on a very regular basis..the young thugs nowdays have no morals or scruples what so ever..i was a bit of a lad myself in my day..but not a patch on the young tearaways that roam the streets today..they are in a very different league than the scallys of my day..very different... | |
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| Do you think in some cases the police should be able to use this much force to arrest someone
Posted: 9/25/2008 12:36:30 PM | i work in a very violent and confrontational job.people who have no knowledge or experience of voilent behaviour will be shocked at the speed,and the damage that can be done.no right minded person could or should condone the excessive use of force.it is suprising,the number of people that it takes to restain a person using minimum force.please lets not cloud the issue with colour,if anyone else gets on the bandwaggon,there will be little room for clear thinking.
whilst every job has its bad apples,lets not forget that when(hopefully never)you are in need of the law enforcement officers,you dont tell the poliice to go easy on the person who has just mugged you violently. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:41:00 PM | In the OP was there not mention of the afore Ali Dazei the head of the Black Police Association. is this not the same gent that was suspended by the Met last week over some of his "views"?? I myself have been a victim of police assault and i lodged a complaint that was upheld and received an apology in person from the Chief Constable up here. During the meeting he admitted that the officer in question had a record of "exhuberance" in his arrests!!! So why the hell is this guy still in his position as an officer?? I was told he would be "counselled" over his behaviour. Personally either a dose of his own feckin medicine or the boot would have been a better solution.
Oh and I didnt get compo or ask for it!!! I just wanted the guy sorted out for his behaviour!! | |
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