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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:44:58 PM | Ali Dizaei really needs shutting up. With him, everything is a sodding race issue. I hope he gets sacked as he's giving the police a bad name. He simplycannot go accusing fellow officers of racism to the press. If he keeps on crying wolf like this he will risk actual racism getting overlooked.
I have friends in the police and this force would not have been used unless it was needed. She says epilepsy 'may' have caused her 'movements'. I bet you she was scratching biting and lashing out at the officers. Hitting someone in the face who is doing that is a completly legitimate way of subduing them. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 1:13:18 PM |
Something does need to be done to stop things like this happening.
Yes you are absolutely right. Sentences need to be much, much tougher so that people won't think they can get away with being criminals in the first place.
It's all very well moaning about the father of your children having a scar on his face but I notice you don't tell us what he did to get arrested. If he was being abusive and voilent then he only got what he deserved in my opinion.
There's a very apt old saying.... "If you can't do the time then don't do the crime", and I reckon the 'time' starts when you are arrested so it's bloody simple really, don't do anything that's likely to get you arrested then you'll never have to complain about police brutality.
Yes, there are times when the police seem a bit heavy handed, but I wouldn't have their job for anything thank you very much. | |
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| Do you think in some cases the police should be able to use this much force to arrest someone
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:32:57 PM | maybe if more people male or female were treated like this then they would think twice before behaving like the drunken yobette she was. She seems to be acting like a victim but thats how society has become, a police service with one politically correct hand tied behind their back. I would recommend anyone read the book"wasting police time" by david copperfield, a real eye opener.
And it could be racially motivated......................quelle surprise.
Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: "These images turn the stomach and raise serious questions about police misconduct.
"The IPCC must investigate urgently in the knowledge that public confidence in modern policing and the police complaints system is at stake."
amazing how this parasite can scream from the highest hill in cases like this, yet the cause of the gurkas, she is noticably SILENT on that | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:51:53 PM | | Brigo, what'd you do to set him off in the first place? | |
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| Do you think in some cases the police should be able to use this much force to arrest someone
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:53:40 PM | Call me naieve if you like but folk in Bob world don't get arrested. We (I'm) good so we don't get beaten up in the first place, or the second place.
So I don't get beaten up.
But I can't claim compensation for somat I should have known was coming.
In short, the Police are the good guys, but don't have anything to do with them, or else.
There again, you don't need Police in Bob world 'coz everyone is nice and polite like me, nice here init? | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 4:58:50 PM |
I was in France recently and there were armed policeman.
There are no asbo's, no gangs, few no go areas.
I absolutely adore France, been many times to different parts, but I'm not under this particular illusion. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 5:13:16 PM | | ^^^ too true...it's not like they don't have their 'ghetto' areas over there...I think I read somewhere that Brigitte Bardot is a little angry about all those Algerians and other immigrants invading her country and that there are countless no-go areas there. | |
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| Do you think in some cases the police should be able to use this much force to arrest someone
Posted: 9/25/2008 9:37:42 PM | | since shami chakrabarti and liberty and other do gooder groups have come on the scene..the violent crime rate seems to have shot right up..because of people like them keep butting in and stopping the police from doing there job proper.the thugs and chavs are now having the upper hand and a free reign to do what they wanna do without the fear of proper punishment..we have to go back to basics and start treating violent thugs more harshly.and give them what they deserve..we had a similar thread to this one a while back about the victims of bullying..and there was a few people on here who actualy felt sorry for the bullys rather than the victims..lol i couldnt beleive it..the whole country is turned upside down on its head..and its only gonna get worse as long as people have sympathy for violent thugs and bullys rather than the victims of there crimes... | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 7:24:53 AM | Debzindahouse
I happened to park outside the local chippy just as my ex wife arrived at her mates house. She then phoned the police and told them I was harrassing and following her. He arrived blues and twos going with his mate in the car just as I walked out with a haggis and chips in my hand. He told me I had been reported as harrassing my wife and what was I doing near the friends house. I pointed out that Id been getting my dinner as id been working late. I was then told to drop the chippy to which I asked if I was under arrest. Again it was demended that I drop the chipper quite forcefully. Again I asked the same question in a civil tone to which I was then grabbed, the chippy package thrown on the ground I was shoved against the side of my car face first, hands shoved behind my back, cuffed and uncerimoniously dumped in the back of the car. That was his mistake. As he hadnt cautioned me or told me he was arrestng me before he grabbed me he then had no right to attack me. (Scottish law by the way). I was driven away to the shouts from my ex and her mate and eventualy released without charge. To add insult to injury I got a bloody parking ticket through the night for the car being left half on double yellow lines!!! | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 10:13:38 AM |
we are the ONLY nation in the world where the police are NOT armed routinely with hand guns!
No we're not.
The police in the Republic of Ireland dont routinely carry handguns either | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 12:08:28 PM | Apparently shooting them 5 times in the head isn't too much force (Jean Charles de Menezes.)
It must be 6 shots to the head that is too much...
If and when the anti-terrorism bill goes through there will be no public inquest for such crimes commited by police/security services.
Scary innit. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 2:26:46 PM | I haven't seen the clip of the incident in the OP, so can't give an opinion as to whether too much force was used. BUT, it is my understanding that police officers are licensed to use whatever force they deem appropriate for the situation, up to and including lethal force, that is if they can justify that force and carry it out in line with their training etc. When it comes to the inevitable enquiry after such events the officer in question must be able to justify his/her actions and prove they had no alternative. (or so a little piggy told me ) | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 4:51:18 PM | Just looked at the clip and I wasn't particularly appalled. The officer is sitting and gives her a few hard taps on the arm to give her a dead arm and make her stop struggling. It's harsh, but it's certainly not full force from that position.
I must admit I'm not overflowing with sympathy for a pissed teenage chav out causing criminal damage, then resisting arrest though. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2008 11:29:29 AM | looks to me like some chav gets drunk, vandalises a car and because of the colour of her skin, she thinks she can get away with resisting arrest ?
suspect she will not do it again  | |
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Posted: 9/27/2008 1:13:37 PM | havent seen this footage! but have recently seen footage of an approx size 8/10 woman benin run over on the motorway(thrown over the roof of a car) and going from unconcious to running off,knocking a policewoman on her ass,jumping the central reservation and off down the carrageway so kinda cant agree that a size 8 woman cant have any strenthor put up a fight.
if your acting in a mannor where you need to be areested then you deserve everything you get if your resisting and we all know drinking on medication is just asking for trouble. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 1:31:48 AM | Its difficult to comment on this particular case as Ive not seen the footage nor do I know the facts of the matter. Therefore I'll make my comment a general one.
I think the police on general do a good job under difficult and often dangerous circumstances. I often hear people say , " I hate coppers -blah,blah" But these people will at some point, either in the past or future, be happy to rely on their help / assistance or relieved to know they are present. Can you imagine the anarchy if they were to go out on strike, for even 24 hours ? The army would be called out .
That said , as in all walks of life and occupations, there are those who abuse their position and take advantage of it. Those who think all police are pillars of the society and whiter than white, are living in cloud cuckoo land . Police brutality and corruption does exist and should be rooted out and dealt with as priority. Bent and bullying police are a disgrace and undermine all the good work the vast majority of our police undertake. They damage the reputation of the police and the public confidence in them. Police are not above the law and must abide by it at all times.
They are there to uphold the law and keep the peace. They are not there to give somebody a good kicking, if and when they feel like it . There are situations , for eg: when making an arrest, where they have to use force and are entitled to do so. Either to protect themselves , their colleagues or members of the public. The police must be allowed to do their job without worrying about upsetting the P.C brigade. But also be aware that they must act in a reasonable , justifiable, lawful manner themselves , whilst carrying out their duties.
The police should be held accountable for their actions, the same as anybody else. I think an independent body / committee should be set up to investigate complaints made about police misconduct . The police effectively police themselves in this regard , which is absolutely ridiculous IMHO. Its virtually impossible to win a case against the police. If they are found to be guilty of any wrong- doing / incompetence / malpractice etc... they are often retired on medical grounds or granted early retirement . This has happened with high ranking police officers who have been at the centre of very serious allegations in high profile cases. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 3:09:53 AM | Had a converstation on Friday with one of the trainers who come by..."you go down to XXXX on a saturday nite, and there's yobs everywhere, fights always break out, their out of control"...And the police have no control, youth of today etc etc etc...
Later in the conversation, talking about when he was young (now in his 40's): "yeah at XXX Park, when the fair was on, we used to have big fights, all the gangs where there, and I mean it was a riot, stabbings, glassings, you name it"...
I remember reading in college that in the 1880's there where riots and gangs of "larger louts" fihgting each other in, wait for it, Brighton Pier, stastistically violent crime against the police then was higher....
So, the youth of today eh?...We're too soft eh?...Yeah, let's beat it out of them shall we?
Like when we had borstal ye didn't have razor gangs eh?...Ye didn't have knifings eh?...Ye didn't have Frankie Vaughn visiting violent gangs to try and get them to stop?...Some people look to the past through very rosy spectacles....
In saying this, I have had some very nasty experiences with the police, one instance the heavy handed bass-turd on an innocent 15 year old left a very memoriable impression...I have also witnessed some real violent and extemely nasty behaviour by the police...
If we didn't have them though, wot would we have?...
Tell ye this though, if someone steals yer car, they do zero...If you speak your mind (disagree) about homosexuality, they'll knock on your door... | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 3:21:33 AM | | Once again, people refusing to understand that there are consequences to their actions. What about the poor person whose car got smashed up? I can't see anybody commenting that they'll have to pay for the repairs themselves or claim off their insurance, as it's very unlikely that they'll be compensated for the damage. When people are drunk and in that frame of mind, they can fight like banshees. We weren't there so I guess we'll never know exactly what happened but I can guarantee she'll get a lot of compensation and the police will get a lot of bad press for what basically was an incident of her own making. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 3:27:45 AM | Absolutely agree, and it's not just drunken people, I used to visit someone who lived near a football stadium and my car used to get damaged often..
I also used to live near a pub (well three, a wee toun like Mid Calder would have) and my car used to regularly get the wing mirrors damaged and scratchings...Pain in the arse... | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 3:37:36 AM |
Tell ye this though, if someone steals yer car, they do zero...
My daughter's car was stolen a few months ago, the police saw it being driven later that night when their ANPR system flagged it up as being stolen, and gave chase. The four youths in it were arrested. The driver was sent to a youth detention centre for 6 months. The others were let off of course!  | |
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Posted: 10/5/2008 7:50:26 AM | | Mines was taken from a car park where the entrance was right next to a set of traffic lights, with cameras...There was witness ...The chap who owns the shop on the corner, he actually spoke to the guys who had a blue trailer van, I informed the police, they done nothing..And btw, the van could only have gone past the lights as they sit at the top of the street, a one way street...To say I am pissed... | |
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