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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:06:17 PM |
The difference is I'M helping foot the bill for this guys slacking. WHY should MY paycheck go to helping slackers when I have kids to raise on my own?
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:24:16 PM | If he had a kid and not working more than 20 hours a week, he'd still be a slacker. I worked 80 hour weeks AND was home for my 4 kids for two years. Where there is a will there is a way. I worked all overnights over all week-ends (12 hour shifts) and my day job during the week, could come home with me. Since that period I've cut back for several months to one full time job and a part time job, but I will soon be working another job with more hours to meet the needs of my kids. It isn't easy, but the alternative is being a leech and I refuse to leech off others for what I can provide with my own capable self.
What is your obsession with cutting this slacker some slack? My only exception would be if this dude had a special needs child and was with them full time as a caregiver. Then I will send some of my pay too.
Fact is this dude is NOT incapable of working, he's just slacking for whatever reason. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:33:58 PM |
What is your obsession with cutting this slacker some slack?
I'm not obsessed with him or his case at all. I could care less and I certainly don't like the idea of paying for someone like him.
I happen to think he's a slacker too.
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:39:52 PM | She'd/he'd still be a slacker...LOL.
But if you're married and your spouse is footing the bill and loves you I see no problem. My mom was a stay at home mom all the years we grew up. Nothing better for us! She also volunteered for many organizations, so it wasn't like she was sitting around doing nothing.
I know physically challenged people that work more than this guy, and no one would expect them to. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:46:02 PM |
She'd/he'd still be a slacker...LOL.
Ok... I confess.... I baited you a bit to make a point. I was surprised when someone bit in the first place.... ok... I've been a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad boy...
I guess what I've been getting at is a seeming double standard that exists. I was reading through the responses to the OP's situation and it struck me that this would likely not even be a subject if the roles were reversed... guy working, woman not or just part time, when she wanted ... etc, etc....
... I know not one man on the dole and in my life have met very few. Women? Dozens and rarely anyone calls her mental health or capabilities into question.
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:55:56 PM | | No the double standard isn't existing .There is a thread going on where the OP was a woman and much the same sentiments are being expressed on that site. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 8:04:23 PM |
No the double standard isn't existing .There is a thread going on where the OP was a woman and much the same sentiments are being expressed on that site.
Well then.... I've been reaaaaaalllly baaaaad....
.... I will now fade, quietly, off into the sunset.....
(... which thread?)
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Posted: 3/10/2007 8:12:21 PM | | the thread is would you date someone on welfare. It is up to 17 pages. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 11:59:05 PM | The guy is under no obligation to work more hours just because other people wish for him to. If he doesn't need to money, I'm sure he finds that it is far more enjoyable to go fishing or chase after women than to sacrifice his free time doing some job he doesn't enjoy.
And if he can lawfully obtain support, then all the more power to him. Frankly, I wish more men would follow his example and help break this criminal system where the government uses force to rob Peter to give to Paul. Stealing is evil whether you personally rob someone or if you use the government to do it for you. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 12:11:02 AM | | sweety ,if you write a resume for him brush up on your spelling. college educated?he should get off his lazy and write his own. my tax dollars hard at work. feeding the lazy | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 12:11:17 AM | | sweety ,if you write a resume for him brush up on your spelling. college educated?he should get off his lazy and write his own. my tax dollars hard at work. feeding the lazy sorry for the double post im drunk | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 1:07:59 AM | wow i don't know what to say
the working 20 hours a week thing is not bad because he has degree so its only a matter of time
but welfare .....i didn't even know single childless working males can get welfare | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 5:08:20 AM | While scruldbrug was aparently just playing little troll games and is now gone, the opinion of his post is held by many. Therefore it is one that does need addressed. Being a housespouse (now isn't THAT a cute word) in no way compares. It is a decision that should (and is most likely) agreed upon before marraige anyway. If not, then the offended spouse has the right to divorce.
I have been a single mother with two little ones, working my ass off with no welfare and no child support and I am a housewife, staying home to take care of my children and family while my husband NOT the government, supports our children (yes, he adopted them, so they are his responsibility) and I. It was a decision made by both of us as he felt he, the home, and the children receive better care with someone home all the time.
A spouse has the choice of bringing that person into their lives and what the financial arrangements will be. The government does not. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 6:32:45 AM |
The guy is under no obligation to work more hours just because other people wish for him to. If he doesn't need to money, I'm sure he finds that it is far more enjoyable to go fishing or chase after women than to sacrifice his free time doing some job he doesn't enjoy.
And if he can lawfully obtain support, then all the more power to him. Frankly, I wish more men would follow his example and help break this criminal system where the government uses force to rob Peter to give to Paul. Stealing is evil whether you personally rob someone or if you use the government to do it for you.
smjle I sure hope that you are kidding and not really condoning this behavior. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 10:32:14 AM | | smjle, you talk about the government robbing peter to pay paul. well I guess I'm peter and he's paul. if we had less paul's, then maybe old pete here could keep more of his pay | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 4:51:25 AM | ok, well he doesnt have kids, not paying support, still great in bed, i'm bisexual and he has no problem with that. i'm not enabeling him and havent given him a dime, yes i know my spelling leaves something to be desired, I did however, find out that he does infact have a felony, while i dont see it as his fault, i think he shouldnt have put himself in the position. again thank you all for your comments and oppinions, but i havent come to a decision yet, i've been nudging him along, not nagging, offering helpful tips, like "i saw that this place had a help wanted sign" i'm still open to suggestiong tho. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 5:43:21 AM |
I have zero respect for any single person allowing the government to feed them
First, you need to take the word "sweet" out of your name. Second, how fortunate for you that you have never had to depend on the generosity of others. I am a single person whose position at my job was phased out. I am forced to go on unemployment, which pays me very little - not enough to pay rent and utilities and yet considered too much money to qualify for food stamps either. You have obviously never been hungry.
Does this mean that, because of circumstances beyond my control, I am not entitled to the respect I have earned in my lifetime? | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 8:06:31 AM | For your information, I was a single mother, working, going hungry, and wearing shoes with holes while I fed my kids with no child support and no assistance. Nope, not taking sweet out of my name, and yes, I still say, if you are of sound mind and body, you do not deserve government assistance. Work two jobs. Work three if you have to. It can be done, it has been done. I have been there.
Circumstances are only beyond your control when you CHOOSE not to control them. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 9:36:58 AM | Kaykitten,,,
Be it a man or woman,,,to sit back and not get on his/her feet and just do something,,something for thier own sake of self worth,,,,divorced,,no reason,,,degree,no job,,married at one time,,no children,,,30 yers old not looking,,for anything to earn and income,,,20 hrs a week,,,welfare,,,yes,,hes sweet,,,,your paying for the rest,,,with your emotions,your hard work,,,I bet he has alot of couch time,,or tv time,,or playstation,,,or buddies and a few beers,,,how about doing things to lifet your small burdens,,,,I bet you answer your own questions if you look at all of he other aspects,,seems to me he has a "sugarmomma",,,of course he will be sweet,,,thats the only thing he has to offer you,,,,,,you decide soon,,,,he will later,,, | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 10:09:10 AM |
smjle I sure hope that you are kidding and not really condoning this behavior. I don't of the system; I don’t approve of the government force used to rob the money to give to him and most everyone on this site. I approve of him. He is no better or worse than most people on this site that take what they can get. Besides he is just taking pocket change compared to businesses that receive special benefits. Why, for example, do you think funerals are so expensive?
smjle, you talk about the government robbing peter to pay paul. well I guess I'm peter and he's paul. if we had less paul's, then maybe old pete here could keep more of his pay What is needed is for more Peters to object to politicians buying votes with their money either by taxing them directly or in higher prices by inflating the money supply. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 4:28:49 PM | | So, that is your solution. We should all stop working and live off the system. Hey...I wouldn't mind 20 hour work weeks....I could sit back...write poetry...discover my true self. But, I don't. I have worked for everything I have....like most people. I am glad I have also. The "system" does not provide much of a life. That is not what it is intended to do. It is only there to help people that are having hardships. It is not a way of life. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2007 9:43:28 PM |
So, that is your solution. We should all stop working and live off the system. Hey...I wouldn't mind 20 hour work weeks....I could sit back...write poetry...discover my true self. But, I don't. I have worked for everything I have....like most people. I am glad I have also. The "system" does not provide much of a life. That is not what it is intended to do. It is only there to help people that are having hardships. It is not a way of life.
No the system is there to buy votes. If you don't wish to take advantage of it, that's your choice; no one is putting a gun to head and forcing you to work hard. And apparently, he has to work some because the system will only give him food stamps. That's not enough to live on. He needs some money to have fun and chase after women.
And yes, it is a way of live; even more so before Clinton got in office. We had several generations of people living on welfare.
I think the Jews had it right in the Old Testament. The land owners would leave 10 percent of the grain, (the hardest 10 percent to pick) for the gleaners. However, they still had to work by gleaning the fields. Those unwilling to glean would go hungry. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 3:00:34 AM | | love the chase women comment by the way, i'm happy to report that he is actively seeking more gainfull employment, with nothing but helpfull tips on my part, some how this turned more into a discussion on mooching from welfare, but topic often change durring a conversation. i still feel hes hiding something from me tho should i do a backround check? | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 6:54:57 AM |
...should i do a backround check?
Most employers and lenders will do a background check, at least in applicable areas, be hiring or lending to a person. Therefore, how much more important is it that you learn about a person you form a relationship with. Therefore, do a background check. It is better to be safe than sorry. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 8:22:08 AM | If you feel that he is hiding something from you then by all means do a background check.
First though you might tell him what you feel and give him a chance to come clean. If it dosen't ring true then do the background check. | |
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