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grazzy
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Posted: 3/29/2007 4:09:26 PM | It is all possible, but
I just have a doubt if we should call ourselves better advanced beings then other beings on our own plannet in the first place in comparisement with other possible beings in our plannet. Is it really so? What can measure that? What about a tree or a wall or what do we truly know about such things and why do we measure everything just by our mind measures. What do we know about other perception? And what if our mind is our biggest problem rather then advancement towards any development? I have learned that stopping one mind is one step further in at least ones psychological advancement. It sounds scary, but by trying it I recognized nothing wrong but self fulfillment.
I really don't know, but I am certainly curious. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2007 5:40:56 AM |
Using the same limitations of time and distance, the aliens would not know about us until we are far advanced, extinct, or possibly de-advanced. On the other hand, or perhaps simultaniously, we have been spotted, observed.... and laughed at for some time. If one is to think it terms of Murphy's law, then highly advanced beings are already here.
As for our future, when aliens spot our radio waves, it may be that the conscience of our species or individuals will occupy machine ships and be traveling the universe. We may technologically "evolve" ourselves into something like data packets and travel space and time with many other formerly organic life forms as seemingly random vibrations of nuclear foces. We may leave our planet and allow it to evolve its other life forms and start over simply for our own intellectual entertainment along with others from elsewhere. Perhap we merge with them. To physically transport ourselves the great distances involved does not make much sense for us or other physical beings but our thoughts, reasonings and conscience do not have to have such physical limits.
That makes a whole lot of sense too. The further away they are the older the first signals will be that they first see and vise a versa if we ever pick up any ET signals. Just like looking at the stas, radio signls are a picture of the past. And then again there is that travel time and spac/time dilation and the extreme high tech it takes to travel interstellar distances. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2007 8:00:52 AM | Hmmmm, if I could dip this thread in chocolate, I'd totally eat it. This was one of the best reads I've had in months.
Perhaps I sound simple compared to the rest of the posters, but when I was a kid, I'd look up to the sky and feel safely wrapped in my insignificance. Like a grain of sand on a beach next to billions of other grains of sand. The sameness is the safety in a world where people are trying so hard to be different from one another. Does it matter? We're so small.
Our presence to another life form no matter how advanced, is like brushing an ant off your arm while lying in the grass. There's no feeling towards the ant. Good or bad. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2007 8:55:15 AM | | Criztine, the more we learn, the more we see that we don't know and more wonderful it is. It like the sensations of the grass, the texture, the smell, the coolness, and the society of the ant. Some people think more understanding of them would take away from their significance but it doesn't. The effect is opposite. Craving even more is addictive. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2007 10:26:25 PM | "Criztine" my problem is I wonder what the ant was thinking.
I have to agree with"ahoytheredave" the complex simplicity of the world around us,leaves me in awe and wonder.
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Posted: 4/2/2007 9:01:33 PM | I'm not sure how you came up with statisically speaking ETs are probable.
I have heard, and I believe that it is realitively inprobably. Maybe ETs did exist a million years ago or will exist in a million years somewhere in our galaxy.
Anyway if they did exist at this current time probability, I would think suggest they are much to far away to be able to listen to us as this current time. The closest planet is what 4 light years. More probably if there were some ET they would be more like 500 or 5 million light years away. So they might hear us in... a million years. If they are foolish enough to bother with the resources to listen.
I have no idea how ET phoned home considering his planet theoretically could have easily been 5000 light years away. It would have taken the signal 5000 years to reach his home planet. | |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 9:07:19 PM | "We" shouldn't be referring to the earth as a unity--there are post-industrial nations, emerging economies, and screwed up Third World entities. Maybe when the ET will show up at the earth's gates, they'd take into account these differences in meting punishment on the globe's bullies, granted their ethics and morals were normative.
Another possibility is that they might use the earth as tourists used Africa for big game hunting (for trophies and the like) or they might set up a planetary Coliseum where nations-states of the earth would be slugging it out for the ET entertainment.
Lastly, the French just opened a site where anyone could access the dossiers of ET sightings on earth since 1954. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 11:57:22 AM |
Our presence to another life form no matter how advanced, is like brushing an ant off your arm while lying in the grass. There's no feeling towards the ant. Good or bad.
You might brush it off with no feeling, but some people will be thinking fVcking ants and go get the hose or a bottle of poison. We can hope the aliens are more like you, but there's no way to know for sure. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 12:57:43 PM | RE: boikoboikan's post
But a species is probably more likely to gain the abilities to terraform a planet close to them, engineer animals and plants to their desired specifications and just go hunting right there before they'd ever find us and get to us. We'd most likely just be too much of a hassle, not worth it. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 11:57:08 AM | I couldn't resist, here's the lyrics to Frank Zappa's "Inca Roads". Its UFO stuff:
Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the Andes?
Was it round
And did it have
A motor
Or was it
Something
Different
George: Sure was different. I ain't never seen nothing like that in my entire life!
Napoleon: Whose python boot is that? That ain't my sh-- What?
FZ: Why don't you sharpen it then?
George: Little round ball . . . I could . . . couldn't . . . That white cain't do nothin'
Napoleon: Je-he-zus! Wait a minute!
FZ: Mother Mary and Jozuf!
Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Fly along the mountains
And find a place to park itself
Park it
Se-e-e-elf
(PARK IT . . . PARK IT)
Or did someone
Build a place
To leave a space
For such a thing to land
Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Did a vehicle come
From somewhere out there
Did the Indians, first on the bill
Carve up the hill
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the Andes?
Was she round
And did she have a motor
Or was she something different
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
At the Armadillo in Austin Texas, her aura,
Or did someone build a place
Or leave a space for Chester's Thing to land
(Chester's Thing . . . on Ruth)
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Did the Indians, first on the bill
Carve up her hill
On Ruth
On Ruth
That's Ruth | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 1:40:49 PM | Frank was ahead of his time, lol.
So far all the assumptions have been that we are alone on Earth. We haven't discovered all the life forms living here and that might include aliens. Whose to say they are alien. Why do we assume we are the only intelligent life to have evolved on this planet.
To answer the SH question it's a 50/50 proposition and we would have very little to say about it so why worry. It would happen whether we wanted it to or not. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 3:27:19 PM | Well, I guess it depends on the degree of intelligence, too. Other species have a certain amount of it, even surpassing us in some areas (particularly when it comes to spatial/navigational intelligence). Then you have apes (some of which have surprising language abilities, for instance), dolphins, etc. We seem to be the most gifted species on the planet, as far as overall brainpower goes, though.
Could there be something more intelligent than us here? It is possible, but highly unlikely, I think. I think intelligence tends to make its presence known, especially since we're talking about indigenous intelligence. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 3:50:14 PM | Keep in mind these folks would have likely evolved past the need for war or they wouldn't have gotten so far... Let's just try to get along here, before we go causing sh!t!
I haven't read his take on this, but SH could be worried about us embarassing him, lol! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 4:56:35 PM | There are most definately Aliens out there sheer size of the universe precludes us being the only species in it and if they evolved on an earth like planet they will want the same thing we do to survive.
If you have ever seen the first start trek movie we might be having those problems they might not understand radio or if they do they dont understand what we are sending or we are not actually picking up what they are sending.
We could if we really wanted to in 50 years we could have the technology to get to the nearest stars and back quite quickly. The Ion drive we have out now could do it to get us there in a hundred years and with money spent on finding out how to create a radiation shield and gravity field we could solve alot of problems here on earth.
The more we get out into space and the more it becomes cost effective the better life on earth will get.
The diaspora will always cause the best to go because only the best will actually be willing to travel to another place and live like this. Its a darwinian process the more you expand the farthest parts are the best creative parts.
Look at the US and Canada for really good examples of this theory when the countries were having open land they were the fastest growing scientific parts on the planet.
it was not until schooling got introduced on a mass basis that europe started being as creative or more creative same with asia. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:18:29 PM | | One of the big problems with the above position is the energy required to travel back and forth between the stars. Let's say we are able to get to the closest star in a couple or a few hundred years (not that that's an easy task!). What does that get us? Everything costs something, and ultimately that something equals energy. What are we going to get that's worth the cost in energy. If there isn't an energy profit for us, it won't be worth it. Maybe we'll discover something fundamental about the universe that gives us really cheap and plentiful energy, but we can't count on it. For now, it looks like interstellar exploration is just a good way to bankrupt societies. Also, whatever exploring we do would be better done by proxy. Let the machines do it and show us what they've found. Human exploration of Mars? Almost definitely. The majority of the solar system? Maybe. The stars? Not anytime soon, if ever. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:24:56 PM | I'm pretty sure we'll be using the creative force of the multiverse itself to power whatever. Something from nothing sounds about what we're looking for, right?
Like a neverending amount of buckets of water inside a bucket of water tipped over?
Just as soon as the laws of physics allows.
As we understand more about the laws they change, so we just have to wait for someone to tip it over. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:33:41 PM | | We don't actually know there that is multiverse, and if there is, it doesn't mean we'll have access to it. And while philosophers and a very small number of scientists have proposed the we "make up" the laws of the universe with our consciousness (and I suppose anything is possible), there's no real science behind that that I'm aware of, so I wouldn't assume the laws of physics will change to accommodate our wishes. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:37:20 PM | Either the laws change with our understanding of them or our understanding changes with the laws we've discovered. One doesn't make any sense to me as it limits our growth exponentially(sp?)... The laws are NOT set... Nor could they ever be! If they were, at least one of us would know all... Plus, be able to easily prove it!!
Rather the laws ARE set... To be different everytime a new situation arises(which is right now)... In that way you would have your infinity/multiverse.
Can you deny that the ONLY thing you have in common with ABSOLUTELY everything else you or anyone has ever heard of is that you are unique? This includes all notion of gods and whatnots... THAT'S INFINITY BABY!!! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 10:05:53 PM | I agree, until we get some warships or weapons systems in space, we need to keep quiet.
Remember what happened to the Indians?
We have no barganing chip, and no defense. It is NOT wise to assume that the universe is this giant hippie peace commune in the sky. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 10:15:52 PM | OOOps... I just saw that my last posts could belong in another thread... Sorry! Gets confusing sometimes...
My line of thinking is that if they got all the way here, they likely would have already found THE energy and will have no need of want from us...
Neverending energy kinda defeats the purpose of greed...
So if we're having fun transmitting, why not? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 9:49:26 AM | Stone, re: msg 70,
Why should we assume we have unlimited growth potential? And the fact that nobody knows everything doesn't prove that the laws of the universe change. Perhaps their intricacy surpasses what our intelligence can grasp.
Another possibility is that someone WILL figure out how to create a grand unified theory. Maybe we just need time, determination and a bit of luck to find it. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:13:13 AM | Never ending energy....the search for "energy" is not the cause of greed. We fought plenty of wars in human history way before we had need for "energy" in the modern sense.
They may want our planet.
They may want the minerals in out planet.
They may want to eat us (To Serve Man)
They may just be bored and want to kill us for the hell of it.
ASSuming they must be benevolent just because they are advanced is foolish. The only reason humanity has progressed to the point we have is because we have fought each other so much. War is the main catalyst for technological innovation. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:23:32 AM |  
LMAO!
As IF!
Come on, PEEPZ, ya watch WAY too much TV! This is as bad as believing you were once MONKEYS!!! teehee!!
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