| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/9/2007 9:16:15 PM | Actually, the whole "higher standards" thing depends on how you look at it. On one hand, as a leader, basically the shepherd over the flock of sheeple, he has to maintain the highest standards and lead the little ones around by their fluffy fleece.......
On the other, if he is human, his little sheeple can learn by his mistakes and his human nature........
So glad I am an atheist and simply decide who gets my time and attention according to how they treat others.......much simpler IMO. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/9/2007 10:50:19 PM | | A preacher should be held at a higher standard. A man of God should NOT be acting this way. I think he needs to go back and read his Bible! | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/9/2007 11:47:19 PM | All Christians should be held to a higher standard, because we are all called upon to minister to the non-believers. As a teacher of God's word, he is definitely held at a higher standard, as was quoted from the Bible in an earlier post. Christians who act in this manner are the reason why non-believers have such a hard time believing any of us are sincere in our faith. Whereas to be Christian is not to be perfect (only forgiven), there are those who need to strive towards that perfection a little bit more!
As far as what to do about this guy, well, you have three options. Number one, you can put up with it and pay the price later. Number two, you can talk to one of the deacons at the church and let them know what is going on. Number three, you can walk away and chalk it up to a bad experience. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/10/2007 12:33:11 AM | Well, at least he isn't touching little boys!
Of course, he should be held to a higher standard, you know that! I just don't understand why you let him get away with it... You will do nothing about it, and he will remain a leader of a congregation, while at the same time he is feeling he is better than you, me, and the rest of his followers... The fact that people can see the wrongs of the church but still do nothing about it, pisses me off... Little kids get abused and no one speaks up! Women get abused and no one speaks up! People in general are being abused and exploited and no one speaks up! Why??? For the simple reputation of the church, and it is all just a f***ing popularity contest! It's a damn shame... I believe we will all go to heaven simply because I believe God created us out of LOVE, and he would not just doom us to a hell... So I have a personal relationship with God, he's sees how I live, and I thank God for each day he has given me, but I don't need anyone's church, led by clowns like this... But people cannot believe that, for the simple fact that the when you go to church you want to feel special. You want to seem better than your average person. Most people don't want to be good for the sake of being good... People only want to be good for an incentive! What better incentive than heaven! People get so caught up in phony churches they start to slip away from the very beliefs in which they claim... Becoming more and more hypocritical... But my beliefs probably seem crazy to most people... I can't believe we empower these types of people to be better than ourselves, knowing that they are full of $hit all the while! Who's down for poker night at St. Thomas? How about bingo? What about the leaking roof, I guess we need to raise more funds? What about missionaries so eager for conversion, that they will tell you sorry we can't give you any food unless you go to mass... What a bunch of rackets and bull$hit! | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/10/2007 6:58:13 AM | Disco,
Not all churches are like that, believe me. However, seeing the way some ministers, clergy, whatever their titles may be use and abuse that title, like I said earlier, I can understand why some may be disbelieving.
I will tell you of a case in Texas that was NOT put up with. It happened after I left, but a good friend of mine told me...it floored me. Our minister of music had an affair with one of the members of the congregation. He was offered counseling and a fresh start in another area, with his family, but refused. He also refused to leave the church, although he was no longer the minister of music. The woman wouldn't leave either, although her husband, which she put through so much, was a deacon at the church and very involved. The church leaders, minus the scorned husband, "churched" them, which meant they were no longer allowed there. I was so proud to hear they took a stand against that. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/11/2007 7:47:19 PM | The preacher should be held to a tougher standard. The Bible says that those who teach will be judged more harshly by God.
I believe this man is a hypocrite for wanting to keep his church life separate from his personal life and wanting a FWB relationship with the OP.
One thing that people need to realize is that the Christian Church is a mixed body composed of believers and unbelievers alike. It is hardly unheard of for an unbeliever to become a minister. After all, a lot of them make a good living and exercise a lot of authority over their flock. It's a great profession for someone who is charismatic, who wants to build a following after himself, who likes to have power and control over others, etc. Some people go into the ministry for all of the wrong reasons unfortunately. Most of the seminaries are bastions of unbelief. A church is actually very blessed to have a pastor who truly believes in Christ and the Gospel. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 12:36:47 AM | | There are differect sects of the Baptist Church. He is from one of the less traditional groups. I have not seen him since last Sunday, nor have we talked on the phone. Should I report what he said? What if it happens to somebody else? | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 2:01:48 AM | | It doesn't matter which word comes before the word "baptist." He is supposedly a man of God, called to serve in God's name. Notice I said supposedly! Unless you want it bearing down on you when/if it happens to somebody else, then you need to report him. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 8:01:20 AM |
There are differect sects of the Baptist Church. He is from one of the less traditional groups.
Aha..
I knew it. Report him if you want. Not like it's going to make a big diff in the long run. It will make his life uncomfortable for a while, but what will it REALLY change?
I'd tell him to kiss my Sunday-go-to-meetin buns, and stop wasting my time on him.
But that's just me (umm, if you're really taking advice from us here, you're in worse shape than me, I mean, we're a bunch of lonely SINGLE people here, for the most part, so it looks like we don't have all the answers either) myself, I don't take advice from people that are in REAL relationships, so.....
Obviously he's not a stand up guy, or he wouldn't be portraying himself as a man of God whilst trying to get a little sumpin sumpin on the side.
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 8:30:49 AM | Oh Valencia, you are off the charts. to judge everyone by one person's poor standards is juvenile. Some of us that go to church really do respect other's feelings and are not liars or deceivers.  They come in all shapes, sizes, religions, and non-religions.
A preacher should meet the same standards as all human beings should! | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 8:56:21 AM | lovelyviolet, run, don't walk away from this unnatractive specimen of humanity. First off you know he is a liar right out of the gate because he pretended he didn't know you. There is a reason he wants to keep hi personal life & church life seperate..........and it won't turn out good for you.
"oh what a tangle web we weave when first we practice to deceive" | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 9:06:43 AM | | Such behavior is exactly what I'd expect from someone such as that. The greatest and most vile hypocrites I've ever encountered have been religious. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 9:39:05 AM | Wow a lot of people here are riding this man hard. Hello, let's all remember we all like to keep our personal life private from our jobs. Being a preacher is his job. So yes he had a right to have told you that. No he wasn't a jerk.
Plus you did go there uninvited so what did you except? He believes he is answering to a higher calling and if things don't work out with you then there is going to be a lot of gossip in his church. Which I can tell you church going people love to talk Sh*t. Try to put yourself in his place.
Look, if I were you I would just drop it. You said you haven't heard from him so move on. There are plenty of men out there that I'm sure would love to date you.
Let it go girl. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 9:51:01 AM | | I guess you can say you managed to see him in action as a wolf in sheep's clothes. What a hypocrit to "preach" to a community about purity and morals and lack this in how he lives, definitely not the good book example to follow. He is in the wrong profession it seems and fortunate he is not exposed ..for now. Wait for the news story. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 9:54:51 AM | Definately NOT a preacher is a man of the cloth and although still human he should practice what he preaches..
I hope you've decided not to continue a relationship with this Jerk posing as a preacher..
good luck | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 10:02:00 AM | Hilarious!
I'm skipping my usual practice of reading other replies, because I could practically quote the three different answers without reading them.
It's just so silly - reeeealy silly! - to take any set of moral or ethical standards - standards! - and demand non-standard compliance from anybody, for any reason. "Higher standard" is wildly oxymoronic, isn't it?
Besides, clergy are not team captains, but coaches. Not life-buddies, but counselors. Nobody disputes the dietary advice they get from their fat doctor. Nobody expects their pitching coach to throw a flaming knuckleball. Good advice can come from the worst of people and still be just as good.
The thing is, we all have that resentment in us of those who advise us to abstain, persevere, contribute, if they aren't doing even more of it than they ask of us. We're not entitled to that resentment, not any more than our advisors are entitled to demand compliance from us. Whatever else it may be (I am being so nice about this!), religion is only a suggestion. Whether you put your shoulder to its wheel or not is entirely up to you.
So it's up to Preacher Hotpants, too, no more, no less. If he doesn't follow his own good (?) advice, well! Welcome to the human race!
I had the pleasure of living in a little town where a preacher and his secretary murdered his wife and then her husband while screwing in the rectory (still illegal in some states) and elsewhere. It cracked me up endlessly how the horrified churchmice squawked, as if murder were somehow worse when a preacher did it.
BTW, those two were planning to use the life insurance money to start a new church. Now that's hypocrisy you can taste! OPie's boyfriend isn't even in the running.
Cheers!
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 10:31:31 AM | Just remember that before he was a preacher, he was just another human being. Still is.
Religion and the veneer of his title don't change that. If he was a jerk coming in, he's a jerk going out.
Frankly, I like to expose these types but thankfully I don't attract them.
I've met more sick preachers than I care to spout. When there's a thick mask to hide behind, you'll usually find one who has more to hide than most.
Sounds like preacher boy needs to get preached at soon.
My X's father was a preacher and the one who married us as well. After, oh, about 5 months into our marriage, the truth finally came to light that he had many years prior attempted to give his daughter oral sex when she was 13, not to mention kissing her in a completely inappropriate way. Not a day went by after that that I didn't want to kick the living shit out of that scumbag. I didn't let my daughter anywhere near him.
Every day he'd sit in his room, reading his bible. Pathetic sap. He's lucky I'm not a man, or his judgment day would have been enforced right there and then...God willing or not. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 11:13:03 AM | Nobody disputes the dietary advice they get from their fat doctor.
er.. I did.. oh the heck I did.. I use to weight 260lbs.. and yup.. got tired of my Fat Doctor calling me fat.. so one day I got real ticked and said.. after he gave me his traditional you need to lose weight blah blah blah.. crap.. and said Doc when your fat ass goes on a diet I'll join ya..
needless to say.. I was banned from his office and finally found a doctor who actually took my weight issues seriously...
so yuppers there are some of us out there who will call people out for not practicing what they preach. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 11:32:38 AM | I'm happy to be corrected, daca, and I'm glad you dropped that baggage (Mr Doctor, I mean). Just the same, if he had given you good, practical advice, rather than hectoring you, I'll bet he'd still be your provider. I think my point stands: the quality of the advisor doesn't affect the quality of the advice.
Look at it turned round. What if he had been gloriously slender and said the very same things to you? I'll bet he would have hit the curb just as fast, if not as hard.
Cheers!
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 12:57:40 PM | | I am still trying to figure out how you can go to a church uninvited? Arent all churches open to anyone? Isnt that the basic tenent of most religions, that all are welcome. Sounds like he was slumming outside of his congregation and was embarrassed that she saw him in his ministerial vocation and he felt guilty knowing he was being a little dishonest with her. | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 3/14/2007 12:59:46 PM | Surely you have heard of the many misdeeds of ministers, priest and preachers and some have ruined lives forever..
Don't forget a preachers are HUMAN, many will indicate this beyond a shadow of a doubt...
Two incidents I will share, and then I will answer your question....
(1) My youngest sis who's now deceased was approached sexually after being invited for dinner by my parents after church service..she was 15, he was married and 42......the church never knew of this, however he continued to hold services until he was replaced...
(2) A Friend in the far western part of the U.S. told me a minister who was not associated with her church had wanted to date her, and she finally decided to invite him over......he came over, after coming inside he pulls out his penis and says I have always wanted you... in SHOCK, she said please Rev put your penis back in your pants and go to the bathroom and wash your hands, and lets talk .....
At this time she enters her bedroom to regain her composure, and when she returned the minister had departed...
Your Question.....as indicated ministers are HUMAN and of course they are going to make human mistakes....they should be held to higher professional standards, because they are important members of society....however whether this comes about will be left up to legislators and/or members of the church hiearchy.....however once bylaws are in place, like any HUMAN there will be some who will not adhere to them... | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 6/15/2007 7:52:56 PM | Funny you should ask. I was talking to a man on here who was a minister. After several days of chatting, he told me that another woman he was chatting with just sent him 20 naked photos of herself, and he liked that. So much for him! | |
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| Should a preacher meet tougher standards?
Posted: 6/15/2007 8:06:43 PM | Church people are no different than other people, sometimes they are worse. He told you what he was offering and if you don't like it, I suggest you stop seeing him and going to his church.
thats the best thing you can do.
of course if he is a TV preacher, you could get involved so you can write a book about him and make yourself millions.. maybe even pose for playboy and get a movie role. I am thinking there were a few gals who did that. So... you have options. Choose one. | |
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