| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 3/13/2007 10:44:15 PM |
Stormbay... I thought a Hotelier & a liquidation manager were the same thing.
A hotelier is someone who owns and or operates hotels. A liquidation manager, is someone who is called in by financiers, banks, accountants or court proceedings. To handle insolvency, restructuring, changeovers, sales, liquidations or business recovery | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 3/14/2007 1:41:18 AM | Being a single parent, working part time, studying part time and paying a mortgage – it’s tough but do-able. Like MzScrubber, I was very lucky to have sympathetic employers who allowed me time to pick up my kids from school – plus I worked from a home office for two years.
I won’t forget Centrelink’s constant invasion of my privacy for almost four years, and the power of finally being able to say I didn’t need them any more.
When they introduced the Parents returning to work incentives ($1000 to help parents re-educate or “gain new skills”), I was able to help other single parents and over 50’s by teaching short courses in basic PC skills. Full circle – that’s how I re-started my working life.
Of course the problem remains – leave your kids in after care and work like a dog to pay for it, or educating employers to create more shared jobs or shorter hours for single working parents. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 3/14/2007 2:17:37 AM | Sarah5028 -
I work my job around my children not the other way around ...... this just seems to me the right way to do things.
Thats what I do Sarah. As long as we are comfortable and well fed and clothed and happy and don't feel like we are missing out on anything too much, then I am happy working part time within school hours. And nobody will make me leave my child unattended just for the sake of making up a working hours quota. There will be time enough for me to work fulltime when my child grows up. I think it's more important for me to be a parent than a fulltime worker at the moment. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 3/14/2007 2:52:05 AM | Apparently they tried to bring this in recently in NZ where parents had to work when the kids reached school age. It didn't work I heard and now it's been given the plug.
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 5/2/2007 9:35:20 PM | In reply to msg 3:
I dont think too many single mums(or dads) take advantage of the system
I know for a fact, there are a lot of "young unmarried mothers", around my area, that have those children just to get that baby bonus and all the other little windfalls that go along with having a baby or more. There are many that have one in the pram, with another 2 or 3 toddlers following. And this cannot only be happening in my area.
Before anyone misconstrues what I am saying here, I am not talking about the "genuine" single parents, like yourself, that get out there and have a go & try to pay your way, I am talking about those that think, "if I have kids, I don't have to work" & I know for a fact, there are those (a niece being one who is always looking for handouts). There are genuine cases of marriage and relationship breakdowns.
I do agree however, that employers have to be more lenient when employing single parents - afterall, isn't that what "job share" is? | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 5/2/2007 11:16:35 PM | "I know for a fact,there are a lot of young unmarried mothers,around my area,that have those children just to get that baby bonus"........to me that is the ultimate definition of young and stupid.But maybe thats why there are so many grubby little ferals running around because once the baby bonus is spent all thats left is lots of hard work and that is'nt fun.
Wonder how much the numbers of children born to single,very young girls would drop by if say the government gave them the baby bonus in nappy and formula vouchers rather then a nice big cheque thats just right for buying a huge tele etc!!!
Maybe there is actually a little bit of sense in the old joke that people should require a licence to breed................. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 5/3/2007 2:05:30 AM | | I am a single mother of three, my eldest is autistic and requires a lot of extra input. I do some casual work here and there and find it extremely difficult to meet all of my committments when I do. In general I like to be home for my children after school hours. Many single Mums are not in their current situation by choice and I believe that by simply caring for their children they are "paying their way". I intend to get full time work when my children are old enough but while they are young I will stay where I am needed, at home. Unless of course it is pension day and then I can be found down the local bar drinking and gambling away my pension while my kids sit in the car. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 5/3/2007 7:38:49 PM | Ok I have tried to hold my tongue and say "I WAS BORN ON A PIRATE SHIP" but I can't quite do it - so here goes.
1. As a high tax payer - I pay well over my share in taxes to this country and yet I still seeing nothing for it. All I see is people living off the government - who want more !!
2. To the aged pensioners - thank you for making this country what it is. Your 50 years of hard work without complaints have earned you the right to free medical and free everything - you should not be charged for basic services - EVER.
3. To those who abuse the welfare system - well what else can I expect when it is probably a family tradition right ? Loser parents = loser kids. If nobody has ever worked how are the kids supposed to learn ?
For this baby bonus - no thanks I don't believe you should get that but should get credits that go towards say childcare in the future and not be handed $5k when you can sign the papers.
All these 14 - 16 year olds who get pregnant for the money - you don't deserve to have children as you did it not for the right reason but for the sake of cash. Your parents have obviously taught you well huh ?
There are thousands of couples out there - in long term relationships who can provide the love and support for a child but alas cannot have them - these are the ones who should be looking after those unwanted babies as they have paid big $$$ on failed IVF.
For anyone who succeeds with an IVF at any age - congrats you deserve to be special parents as you are going to love your child more than anything else.
4. Living in short term accommodation for a few months due to renovating a house, I was surrounded by Centrelink customers. The local shop and petrol station did well as this was considered "doin` the shoppin` ay" when you got your smokes and bread, ay.
Everyone smoked and grogged on all the time but of course - always seemed to forget to feed their kids. One mum I was friends with and got her some work every fortnight struggled with keeping her kids away from those ferals. To those who continue to have babies for the money (since the baby bonus) there are couples out there wanting kids who cannot and will spend more than a house for Yes I have worked with some men who have been single parents raising their kids alone and I have offered them work when the kids are away - like a Sunday shift on the good money for a bit of breathing room for their budgets.
To the 2 legged baby breeders who only have kids for the sake of the cash - because them guv`ments owe me money - thank you for killing society and for destroying the welfare system. No it is good to know that what I was earning each week as a senior exec for 70 hours a week was the same tax free for someone with am willing to partake in my share of the economy but I want something for it. I want to see the results of a state government and federal governmnt that has water, education, hospitals, infrastructure as it's priorities in the last 50 years. No government has ever done that before since WWII.
2. I have lived in short term accomodation where I was surrounded by the Ferals who all worked for the government pension - ex druggo's, teenage mums at 14, bums who could not be bother getting up to go to Centrelink appointments (we all need more ditch diggers) and those who just know the easy life too well.
3. I watched every Friday night when a builder neighbour of mine came home paid for his week and the ferals would run over | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 8/4/2007 4:00:20 AM | This is a very grey area but an very sensitive area all the same.
Having grown up near a town that has the highest teen pregnancy rate in Australia, I reckon I have seen it all.
I know of a few couples that are very much together and the woman is getting the pension for the kids and the male is getting the dole and working cash in hand. That REALLY pisses me off.
I go out and work a decent day for my money and they get a fvcking wage to be at home with their kids.
This is NOT FAIR, especially when I see people doing the right thing and having to go back to work when their children are young to pay their bills.
I think that in GENUINE cases (ie- widow/er or break down of a long term relationship or marriage) the pension is there to be used but some women go out and have a baby for their baby bonus and 'wage'.
If you aren't in a serious relationship and not financially secure, DON'T HAVE KIDS! Our taxes could be better spent. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 6:05:18 AM | i think the lump sum payment is a crock of kaka!! this is just encouraging young people to get pregnant for some free cash.
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There's a rather ugly twist to this one too. Mid aged career women like Julia Gilliard, who still want to have kids, but who's plumbings not so good CANT get AI assistance on medicare.
And those women would be far better mothers than any teenagers.
BTW
The vast majoity of singlemums already do work.
The vast majoity of them are the resuslt of divorces not sloppy sex.,
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The vast majoiryt of thsoe dovirces have been instigated by the women. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 6:51:51 AM | | Living on the pension is a fine line it really is, i showed a friend my budget and they flipped, it really is hard. im 38 been u mum most of my adult life and now forced back to find work with the cost of extra work clothes and fuel, i tried working at a fast food chain and found that it cost me to work i was getting home really late and the kids were suffering , its just Hard everyway u turn. courses are great but u have to pay ther0e as well. yes i have done a few, its a juggling act with bills food kids and time out for yrself. ouch. dont know what this year will bring,,, cheers | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 7:37:30 AM |
Mid aged career women like Julia Gilliard, who still want to have kids, but who's plumbings not so good CANT get AI assistance on medicare.
That's a shocking thing to say Crayonzz!
What makes you think or presume that something is wrong with her plumbing? She probably has just not met her compatible one, that's all. I myself am in a similar position to her and am still waiting. Some of us in this category will probably go to our graves alone but this doesn't mean anything at all. Just that we have passed through life without having met a compatible partner.
I can honestly declare to all that Julia is quite a good catch and any man who is capable of winning her heart is indeed a very fortunate man! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 1:29:37 PM | Maybe yes or maybe no.Im not quite sure!
I do think there is no reason for a woman not to work once all her children are school age.But I believe (correct me if im wrong) that centrelink is set up in a way that once your youngest child is 7 you have to work 18 hours per week or risk losing your benefits. That makes sense to me.
To say that there is no work out there is just a cop out.I work in a job that is school hours but to do this I have had to choose not to use my qualifications and work for a far lower wage then I could earn by utilising them. The upside of this is it does not interfere with my children and I dont have to drag them out of bed at the crack of dawn to get to work on time. To me that is more important then earning more but making life difficult for my kids,as long as im working I dont care.
I think its important to work for your own self esteem, it gets you out there,doing something and feeling useful.
I believe benefits are basic but if you choose to solely live on them then that is your choice. If you choose to work you get more money in your pocket,this is the same for everyone so why should single parents be any different? | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 1:43:54 PM | my views, and only mine, I had children young, never regretted it, I've been a single mother, a working mother, never getting maintence, now all children grown, and accecptable in society, doing their bit for Australia, in other words, I have experienced the lot, and never looked back, it was hard, and harder as a single parent than anything else, but when my son told me he intends not to have any children, I suggested he pay more tax, why you might ask, simply the population growth, or lack of it.
in 1970 the pop of Aus was about 12mil, now almost 40yrs later just over 20mil, a growth of 7mill, that 7mill have to support the preceding 12mill, how?
take out those who cannot work, and those who have worked all their life to get a pittance of a pension, who is paying tax to support the rest of the country.
I told him, it's a choice and I accecpt his decision, but when he needs a mechanic, or a doctor, when he is older, who supplied them, gave birth, paid for ,educated,
all the rest,
All mothers are underpaid, and under appreciated in their role of ensuring a future growth for Australia | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 3:45:41 PM | the thing is a lot of single parents forget about planning for the future and only concentrate on the here and now.
i never wanted to rely on centrelink, maintenance or any other means of income other then the one i produced. hence when the father of my children did the dirty (which I knew he would) i was prepared. I have a mortgage and do not get govt assistance becasue I wanted to plan for my future. both my children are now above 16 and i would not receive any assistance from centrelink anyway.
take up the offers of being able to study to better yourself for the future when your children are of the age where they are independent so that you can get off the welfare cycle and plan for your future.
take pride in what you do but also take pride in what your future will be and the achievements you will make and the satisfaction you will get from being an income earner and a work-mate.
we all have different circumstances and reasons for being a single parent, but dont let it be a negative for a positive future. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:28:06 PM | crayonzz said:
The vast majoity of singlemums already do work.
The vast majoity of them are the resuslt of divorces not sloppy sex.
You must live on a different planet to me then. Perhaps in the older (>30) age bracket that might hold more true but in the <30 bracket - and especially <20 - it's sloppy sex by a landslide. Divorce implies marriage, which in turn implies a commitment far beyond anything most people of my generation can even comprehend much less engage in.
chiny said:
What makes you think or presume that something is wrong with her plumbing? She probably has just not met her compatible one, that's all
Maybe that's because her compatible one is another crusty dyke like herself. Jilia Gilliard would have to be the very definition of sloppy sex. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:17:39 AM | have no idea why the girlie's always get into trouble, here...dont like this thread at all.
I was a single dad for a number of years, & I would think there are a number of guys out there even today, that look after their kidds...
I have know idea why this thread was allowed, to run as long as it has, when it seems to bash single ladies.........
but to answer the Qu..........if the other partner is not helping to pay the way..
underpaid.
& even if they are, still under paid.........
& if you have never had this problem, you should not even be making a comment here.
To be single with kidds, man or female, it is not easy at all
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/3/2008 6:43:22 PM |
All mothers are underpaid, and under appreciated in their role of ensuring a future growth for Australia
Just to give an alternative viewpoint on that particular point raised...the angle that people who have kids are doing us all a big favour doesn't really sell to me. Whilst I understand the economic rationale behind wanting to ensure enough young people are around to pay enough tax to support the aging population...that perceived solution will compound itself and the base of the pyramid will have to keep getting bigger and bigger to continue to support that model. Surely we can't just keep growing our numbers? I was under the impression that our population was already starting to exceed our resources and infrastructure. And on a basic level, when any species starts to overpopulate its habitat, the end result for that species usually isn't pretty.
The idea that we can just keep growing forever on a finite planet is totally imbecilic. David Suzuki.
In the last 200 years the population of our planet has grown exponentially, at a rate of 1.9% per year. If it continued at this rate, with the population doubling every 40 years, by 2600 we would all be standing literally shoulder to shoulder.
Stephen Hawking
And no guys, I am not bagging people who have kids, but merely countering the previous opinion given that it's doing the world a favour.
And on these comments...
if you have never had this problem, you should not even be making a comment here
I hadn't previously commented, but I disagree with the notion that I have no right to merely because I don't have kids. The topic raised is a communal issue and encompasses use of money from the public purse, and as a contributor to that public purse I believe I do have a right to comment on the topic as per the OP. Indeed, anyone has the right to comment. In fact, surely gaining an outside perspective on it will ensure it doesn't merely become a subjective discussion only contributed to only by single mothers...after all, if someone asked me to comment on whether I should get paid more, my answer is always going to be 'hell yes, pay me more!'. That's human nature.
I have know idea why this thread was allowed, to run as long as it has, when it seems to bash single ladies.........
I don't think it does. Single parents have the opportunity to put forward their stories, and they have done so and will continue to do so. I read those posts and I feel empathy. However, just because there might happen to be a high percentage of single parents on this forum does not mean that theirs is the only valid perspective. Presenting any alternative viewpoint does not mean a lack of appreciation of the hardships of single parents, and should not automatically be perceived as "bashing". The mere fact of being a single parent does not equate to sainthood, and the topic is not untouchable...particularly if we are discussing, which we are, the amount of public money being paid to this group within our community.
As I said, I feel empathy for all single parents of both genders. I don't envy them their position. I'm not saying it's easy. However, any government payment made is meant to ensure that basic needs are met rather than provide luxuries, so it's not surprising that people have to become masters at budgeting (etc) whilst living on it. It can't be made such that it incentivises people to not want to work. If they made the payments such that it ended up making living on a single parent pension as, or more, desirable than working, (jebus, even I'd consider switching IF I could still get paid what I do in my current job) then we'd potentially end up with an economic imbalance that saw insufficient numbers of working people paying tax to support those not working. The way I see it, it's just meant to get people through a hard time, not equate to earnings. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:11:53 PM | | Single parents should be re-educated and counselled regarding their lack of employment and positive attitudes. Obviously, they contribute little to the economy and community wellbeing. Competent officers of the state, such as single social workers, married Mothers, and barren harlots should be employed to help them regain skills such that they contribute to the well being of the local community. Parents who refuse to cooperate will of course receive extra counselling and attention. If necessary psychiatric help will be supplied. Such guidance will help the struggling taxpayers save dollars and demonstrate that all members of the community can contribute to the communal well-being, a balanced inflation rate and national debt. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:21:26 PM | ^^I assume you were being funny by this post,but I actually see a lot of home truths in it.....am i allowed to admit to this being a single mother and all!!
Having children is not a valid excuse for sitting on your butt and not getting a job once those said children reach school age. Its up to each and everyone of us to pull our weight and no one is entitled to a free ride simply because they reproduced! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:24:07 PM | ^^^ (two posts above) That seems unnecessarily antagonistic toward all. Not quite sure whether the greater scorn is being directed at the "single parents who lack positive attitudes" (his words, not mine) or the "barren harlots" (ditto).  | |
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