| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/22/2008 7:26:11 PM | | here in the uk you can have has many children as a single parent as you want ..they pay for everyone so a lot of women have more than 5 each .........a lot of teen mums have babies and get paid too.this goverment is cracking down on women who keep having children and not naming the dad or dads .........a lot are abusing the system here as a lot of children here all have different dads and its about time something was done here to stop the women and men producing lots of children .i blame the men too for leaving mums on their own............ | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/22/2008 9:51:27 PM | | Im a single mother of 3, they all have different sperm donors and all of them have left once they realised what happened, 2 are under 3 so it makes no sense for me to work even part time. I have basically no family support. Its hard but its fair IMO I live in a small town area so the cost of living isnt too high yet. I have wanted to move to Brisbane to be closer to friends but I have looked into the cost of living in the city and its not possible for me so we are stuck here till the kids are older then I can work earn more then move etc | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/24/2008 1:34:31 PM | Vandy - I don't know how people don't lodge a tax return either.....but I dunno how he breathes with his head buried under all that sand either!
To all those parents who do the right thing - thank you! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/26/2008 9:05:37 PM | Bewitch.... you no longer have to do your 40min round trip to hand in your income and time details... you can do them over the phone or online.
as for a parent not putting in their tax return for 6 years... after 4 pings from the CSA to the ATO at review time and it comes back not available from the ATO... the ATO has a record of CSA trying to get this information and the ATO can take action to that person to hand in or receive large fines or jail time..... just recently the ATO have started to release the prior years wage earning for the paying parent from the paying employer as they have to claim all wages .....my ex is going for ping number 3 this review this year if he doesnt hand in all 3 years hes got one more ping and hes gone very large fines from the ATO... CSA know he hasnt handed in it.... but.... CSA were able to obtain 05/06 information supplied from the company he works for... so now i am on the amount of 05/06 which is the arrears as well for last year.... so im always one year behind in current payments and hes always one year behind in arrears.....with CL the arrears for past years arent put into your current collectable amount it was it... what arrears for the non current financial year is all yours and you do not have to declare it....if y a ex is doing cash jobs... if you know where he has been working notify CSA of this and they will forward the information on to ATO or contact ATO.... as CSA ATO and CL are all networked together......
InSydney.... not all single parents are like that.... there are more honest single parents on the payments then other people on the other payments..... how many times do you see on the news about people saying they are on compo or saying they have a medical certificate for deep depression or whatever and cant work and collecting disability payments when there is nothing wrong with them.... what about the people that are in a defacto relationship no kids and just cant be fuked working or the students that are getting austudy and not going to classes?...
personally i am honest... when staying at my mother when my son was born... they kept sending me out rent assistant forms... everytime i would ring them up and say im not paying rent dont send them out... im honest with all the forms i send it..... and i have also narked in my ex for fraud.... he is known to them.... in 2002 he got busted for austudy fraud and had to pay back 4grand.... coz he didnt notify them of him dropping out of tafe again. CL got notified by the tafe he only turned up for 3 weeks... so 3 years ago i narked on him and his gf... who had been living together since 2003 her mail was going to her mothers house.. she was collecting full payments and working full time and he was sitting on his ass collecting full payments.. when they moved up here they went in to change their address on different days.. and had a reciept of where they were staying in their own name.. she got busted for not declaring her correct income... had to pay it back... he went off to work first job ever since leaving school... which was 10 years before... she still collecting full payment.... he quit his job... went back onto payments for another 12months... until a friend of mine asked a favour from his friend and well.. uhmmmm they both all of a sudden had to get jobs.....
im not saying there arent all honest people out there... i know of several mothers that are ripping the system off... just as i know more childless people ripping them off even more... if i had solid proof of them doing it i will nark them in too.. as i have told people who have the proof to do it .
edit: another thing... yas b1tch about ya taxes paying for all these parents to sit at home raising kids..... but yet... everyone pays taxes ( GST) and i havent heard you complain about the $4grand baby bonus for every child born... or the $600 for every child in a family under the age of 16.... or the family tax benefits that every family gets.... at least the govt are starting to crack down o the limited time spent at home.... and yes there are always the ones that wait 4 years and pop out another one... well guess what... soon they will be too old to pop out anymore kids and they will eventually have to go to work. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 12:17:02 AM |
everyone pays taxes ( GST)
If we all just paid tax in the form of GST then I'd say yes to that. GST was supposed to replace income tax, but it didn't...not by a long stretch of the imagination. Paying at both the earning and spending end totally irks me...and I get diddly squat bonuses...just while we're venting.  | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 12:58:32 AM | the GST is what allowed the govt to have enough surplus to be able to up the birth baby bonus from $600 per child born to $2000 then it went to $4000 within 12months of that.... it also allowed the $600 per child under the age of 16 to be given to each family every year until all children have reached 16.
when the birth baby bonus hit $2000 the birth rate almost doubled... which means more people are out there spending more on for the needs of kids... when it went up to $4000 it went up again.... the more ya spend the more GST ya pay....
GST is unavoidable.... normal income taxes are and can be as there are still people getting cash in hand jobs... and alot more then we would really ever know.
GST will never replace income tax... the govt knew that at the time... they just whitewashed it so we would be ok with paying it.
i myself ticked the option to have tax taken out of my pension each fortnight... also the amount of GST i do pay each week on bought items if i didnt have to pay it i would be able to take my son on holidays or weekends away or even take him to a theme park once a week.
granted its the normal income tax that had funded the normal centrelink payments for all that are on it regardless of which payment they get... GST has paid for the extras and GST is what everyone contributed one way or another....
but what i dont understand is alot of people have a go saying their taxes are paying for single parents to pop out kids and stay at home... but what about the long term unemployed like my ex who sat on it for 11 years after finishing grade 12 and is only off it coz he got busted.. or the people that are on disability payments and there is nothing wrong with them? ...how come people arent up in arms over those people and only just single parents? | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 1:13:17 AM |
but what i dont understand is alot of people have a go saying their taxes are paying for single parents to pop out kids and stay at home... but what about the long term unemployed like my ex who sat on it for 11 years after finishing grade 12 and is only off it coz he got busted.. or the people that are on disability payments and there is nothing wrong with them? ...how come people arent up in arms over those people and only just single parents?
Only cos that's the thread topic Nun. Had the thread topic mentioned all recipients of government money then it would have been a broader discussion I am sure.
Obviously the welfare system is meant to be there to help any of us in times of need, so we can cope with the basics during tough times. It just shouldn't be a way of life for anyone who has the capacity to fend for themselves, including all those categories you have mentioned. Nor should it be expected to provide a luxurious lifestyle that leaves no incentive for people to go out and work as soon as they can. And naturally it shouldn't be rorted by anyone. Income tax payers don't have bottomless pockets... and the basic maths of it is that the less income tax payers there are, and the more recipients of payments there are, the smaller those payments will be able to be. Those abusing the system and riding it for all its worth will eventually be the ones who cause those in genuine need to suffer....not the taxpayers having a bit of a whinge here and there. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 1:37:39 AM | i agree with all you have said.... i guess the thing is... regardless of thread topic.... everyone bags the single parent and how the sole parent pension is overly abused...but yet ya never hear about them complaining about their tax dollars being spent on the other areas of payments the govt has to offer which is far more abused then the single parents. as there is many that when forced to get off one payment they go to another one... and the sole parent pension is the last resort as when all fails get someone up the duff...
my ex was either a long term student go for a few weeks then drop out and not say anything.... then go on and off austudy and newstart payments... for 11 years he got away with it... he knew what he had to do to keep them off his back.
i had a friend that would go to different drs to get medical certificates to say she is not able to work due to mental health... in actual fact she was prefect fine mental and health wise...
theres a one couple at the school my son goes too.... she is living in housing commission... she has 3 kids youngest one is turning 7 this year.... her defacto on disability pension is stated to be living with his elderly mother and also collecting carers payment for looking after her.... but yet... they are living together and always have been.... seeing has her youngest is almost 7 and she has been forced to get into 15 hours a week... she ooops falls pregnant again... but yet the govt had made her do either back to work or education regardless of baby... she said to me as she did a teachers aide assist course... im only doing this to get them off my back until the baby is born....mind you DOCS has been called upon them many times but do nothing about the living conditions they put themselves in... her twins had c0chroaches in their nappies and in the mattress of their cot..
i can give alot of other examples.... but the one that will always sick in peoples heads are the single parents that are rorting the system. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 1:57:36 AM |
my ex was either a long term student go for a few weeks then drop out and not say anything.... then go on and off austudy and newstart payments... for 11 years he got away with it... he knew what he had to do to keep them off his back.
i had a friend that would go to different drs to get medical certificates to say she is not able to work due to mental health... in actual fact she was prefect fine mental and health wise...
theres a one couple at the school my son goes too.... she is living in housing commission... she has 3 kids youngest one is turning 7 this year.... her defacto on disability pension is stated to be living with his elderly mother and also collecting carers payment for looking after her.... but yet... they are living together and always have been
I very much respect your point that other categories of welfare are being rorted as well. Personally, as someone who has fended for myself and paid tax for 22 years and has received no payment from the government apart from all of 10 days dole onetime in my entire life, I can honestly say that all such stories like those sh1t me. A lot! But the thread topic was specific to single mothers rather than it being just a tangent people went off on.
the one that will always sick in peoples heads are the single parents that are rorting the system
In my experience from what I hear people discussing out there, it's more so long term unemployment that has the bad reputation actually. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 2:30:57 AM | i myself had worked for 11 years fulltime 2 jobs sometimes 3 jobs at once and very rarely took holidays before i had my son.... i worked right up until my water broke.... so i too have paid alot of taxes and im still paying them thru my pension as that is the option i choose to take as it was given to me..... but why is it so that honest people who are on the sole payments all get lumped into one catergory right along side of the ones that are rorting it and get looked down upon?... same with the other people get lumped in theirs as well?
i personally went on it coz i knew i would be working to pay for just childcare... i would never get to spend time with him and i have seen so many other kids that both parents worked long hours and just craved for their attention if they ever got it..... i didnt really have family support.... and funny enough... my ex said to me if you go back to work fulltime ill take you to court say your a bad mother and ill take our son and i can sit there and look after him. (just so he wouldnt have to go to work and get off a payment)
i have a business that is in the works... i keep my brain intouch with my main career background by helping my dad in his business (non cash in hand) and centrelink knows.... so why should i be lumped in the same boat with the rorters? | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 1/27/2008 2:55:36 AM | ^^^ You're not being lumped in with rorters Nun. Not in my mind anyway. I had already posted previously on my viewpoints on the original topic, and one of the things I said was...
To merely express concerns or other perspectives does not automatically have to be interpreted as not having respect for particular individuals who are single parents.
The only people who should take offence would be anyone who is rorting the system and damn well knows it. And from what you've said you despise the rorters as much as anyone else...so there is no disagreement. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/6/2008 6:26:22 PM | In answer to the first post... well single parents do not get alot of money from welfare... I am a single mum of 3, my oldest 2 will be 9 and 7 this year and my baby is 8 months... It is a real financial struggle, as the cost of living gets higher and higher, the payments do not increase . After paying rent, paying household bills, car expenses, I am lucky to be left with just over $100 a fortnight, with which I have to buy food, clothing, nappies, and all the normal things... so I can not see how anybody would think a single parent on welfare could get paid to much...
and yes there are people out there who rip off the system, or waste the money on themselfs (not pay bills, or take care of children properly)... And yes I think it is great for single parents to get back into work/ study when their children are at school... but in saying this, there needs to be alot more help, to get single parents back on there feet, to have help with studies etc'... and it is hard to find work that is during school hours only,.. yes it suits some parents to put there children in childcare/ before and after school care, and that is good for them if that is what they feel is right for their family,.. but that should not be forced onto any parent!! as for me I will wait until my baby starts school to study and then into work, ... but even then it is not easy to get started, study doesn't come free! and I do not want a childcare centre raising my children, so I need to do all this within school hours,, not easy!! but can be done..
The sad thing is been a single mum on a pension, you do get judged alot, and not in good ways,...
with things like the baby bonus, it is good and bad.. I mean it really helps honest people out, who will put the money to good use, then there are some who do the complete opposite... The welfare does need to be increased though!!! ... maybe not with cash, because it could be wasted by those who don't do the right thing.. but in other ways.. like more rent assistance which could be paid straight to the real estate, food stamps", help with schooling cost to be paid to the school,.. that why it helps a great deal in the higher cost of living, .. same goes for help with studies etc', instead of just giving more money (which could be wasted by some), it should be paid straight into things...
And with the whole creating another generation of welfare depended children, well all that is a whole other story, but something does need to be done about that.... !! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/6/2008 6:37:02 PM | it seems to be that one size does not fit all...
if a woman separates from her husband, then there should be an equitable allocation of the costs between the two...
for a woman who gets pregant to a guy outside the relationship....i still think he should make a contribution...although the area of contraception muddies it. I suppose he should be wearing a condom and then he wont risk getting a woman pregnant and having her decide to keep the baby...
so i do think the guy should take more responsibility although i realise that there are probably a number of guys reading this forum who have been fleeced by the family law provisions...which is why i said equitable earlier..
so more money from the men should mean less requirement for pensions..
the reality is i know of women who have lifetime tenure to state housing in inner suburban melbourne because they were on a pension....i dont think thats equitable.....even though i know they didnt have a lot of disposable income.. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/7/2008 12:00:28 AM | i must say i have 3 children under 4 and im really grateful for the payments we get. My view is i get enough and im sure i can spend more, so that's that.
I really love the fact that i know im at home raising my kids, yes im taking payments now, but in doing so im raising 3 children who will add to the world and not drain from it... im sure it will end up costing less in the long run as far as centerlink payments are concerned.
It's a hard one tho. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/7/2008 12:39:34 AM |
After paying rent, paying household bills, car expenses, I am lucky to be left with just over $100 a fortnight, with which I have to buy food, clothing, nappies, and all the normal things
Are you getting any financial assistance from the father of your kids? If not, then why not? Is it by choice or by circumstances beyond your control? | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/7/2008 12:52:09 AM | | ^^I dont think there will be many single mothers who choose not to receive maintenance from the father of their children. I know I don't and it is definately not through choice. Often when it comes to paying maintenance is when a man will show his true colours!! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 2/7/2008 4:43:33 AM | No matter how you look at it, paying for a woman to have kids is still akin to prostitution haha
It's a simple case of the single, white, working, middle class paying for something they aren't getting as usual, as in benefits given to the bludgers and dregs that have no desire to get out there and support this great county.
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/21/2008 1:12:53 AM | Yes I do have a partner... in old fashioned terms we were married so it's a very official partnership. Throughout a period of some 16 years I not only supported the development and upbringing of my own offspring, I supported her to stay at home to help out on the ome front.
During this time we were a one car family. As my wife needed the vehicle more often and with greater priority than myself, I would cycle to work. This journey, a round trip of 33 kms per day was performed rain, hail or shine.
During this period I also paid tax in fact I have never drawn a social security benefit.
The fact that Bewithed's ex husband isn't, hasn't, won't cough up any money for Bewithed and his own offspring is niether mine nor any other tax payers responsibility.
As I moved from the country to the city it was rare to have help from both my parents or my wife's.
I suggest Bewithed gets off her subsidised backside and demonstrates some intestinal fortitude and not bludge off the Australian public.
Yes everyone's is entitled to one mistake (single motherwise) however when single mothers have multiple children they not only drain the public purse but contribute heavily to the numbers of delinquents we as law abiding, tax paying citizens are confronted with every day.
My two bob's worth is not indexed ..... one cannot say the same for soft payout bludging single parents leach on an annual basis. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/21/2008 1:37:31 AM | I have one child, been on and off PPS for 7 years. In that time I have studied, studied, studied and worked part timeor fulltime. Before that though, like many of the women here I worked and paid taxes. Not only that but I owned a business that paid more taxes in one year than I recieve in one year on PPS. So for anyone b!tching about THEIR taxes going to me...................... well up yours because Its been the taxes I paid as a business owner for 7 years. 
As for single parent shildren being the delinquents............ my child is in the top 2% of year 11 students, last year came 8th out of all Western Australian year 10 students in a science award, works 10 hours a week, plays sport and wants to better this world. So yeah she is a real bad delinquent .
Alot of single parents are on the PPS due to mariage breakups. I think the rules for them should be a little different to the rules for the young girls who keep getting pregnant. I have said I would NEVER bring another child into the world while I was a single parent. It was hard enough brining up my daughter as a single parent due to divorce. When they are that young I do agree that one is a mistake, anymore and you shouldnt be rewarded | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/21/2008 2:54:30 AM | I totally agree Racy
I, too, had to bring up 4 children on my own after a marriage breakdown. The first year I had to live in a refuge/hiding because of threats made against our lives. After that I was able to find part time work and within 3 years I was able to get off the pension. I consider myself lucky to have been able to be supported by the pension while I could not work or study. Imagine if it had happened 50 years ago when there was probably no pensions for mothers who found themselves single for whatever reason.
My four children have all grown up and left the nest and am proud to say all have a good work ethic. Two work full-time and the other two attend uni and work part-time.
I worked in a community centre in a small country town for 5 years and it was also a Centrelink agency. I honestly found that those that abused the system re single parents pensions and family tax benefit were in the minority.
It is difficult enough bringing up children on your own without having narrow-minded people putting you (and your children) into a category because you are on a pension.
And as for child support, I eventually received $21 a month for my youngest three children for about a year. Two of the children who were in high school at the time were earning more that in a couple of hours at their weekend jobs!! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/21/2008 3:43:09 AM | The problems with inflation and rising costs of living no doubt make things a lot harder with people on fixed incomes. I think we should encourage people to find paid employment, or give them the training and skills they need to get a decent job, or offer incentives for people to establish their own businesses, so they can get a decent income coming in. However, I think the last government was overly harsh in the way it approached people on welfare, especially the underemployed and unemployed.
With single mothers who are unable to obtain decent child support from the father of the child, or who don't have a partner to help them with the bills, and who are unable to work or find other means of supporting themselves and their dependents adequately, I think some form of welfare which enables them to raise and educate their children to a decent standard is necessary. The vulnerable and marginalised in society who exist in or near poverty should not be further punished by a lack of compassion on the part of government and society. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/29/2008 1:58:42 AM | The Australian poverty line. As mythical as the Bunyip. In Australia we can receive money for doing nought. Try that caper in a third world country ... or even the U.S.
Whereas I don't for one minute flaunt the idea of using the U.S. as a moral yardstick, I can't help feeling that there a certain members of our community who simply don't pull their weight and moreover breed children who have little respect for others or their property.
There are , of course, exceptions to the rule ... the single mother who brings up her children with morals and respect for the general community as there is with children who come from a married couple with little or no respect and poor values.
Social security benefits need to find their way to those who need them, not those who want them. | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/29/2008 3:09:23 AM | | A lot of countries do not even have welfare of any sort. We have to count our blessings, I've seen and lived with the type of people I am talking about and it's not pretty. Call me an asshole, but I think welfare should only be able to be spent on bills and food. If you want to have money for fun then get a job!! When I left the Army I could only get a job in a factory, most people would quit after 2 days. I hated it but I had money and it has led to a great job now. Sorry but I have a huge problem with people who refuse to work!! | |
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| single mothers: underpaid by social security or...?
Posted: 4/29/2008 3:14:01 AM | ^^I think most people have huge problems with people who refuse to work,everyone except the ones who refuse perhaps.
Personally I dont see having children as a reason to not work. It is possible to work and raise children alone. I manage and im the laziest b1tch going!!
I think its good for kids to see their mum work actually cos it makes them realise that hard work is the way to get the things you want and support yourself. Yeah people need benefits but I think they should be a "top up" more then a way of life. Of course if any rich blokes are reading and they want to look after me and let me live a life of luxury I wont say no! | |
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