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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/9/2007 6:02:19 PM | Yes, because initiating is the same thing as doing something. 
During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system
I guess when he says that he initiates improvement of environmental protection, you think he is stating that he in fact personaly did the environmental protection.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You make a false claim about what he says, and simply ignore the reality. Readyfordating forgets that he was a senator, and all of a sudden he is talking about technologies from the 50's. Amusingly Gore isn't even talking about technology, he was talking about funding for programs that moved the internet into our homes.
He has been recognized by a non partisan technical group for his contributions, and was given it by one of the internet's key inventors.
But hey, Fred Thompson. I saw his fictional character do something cool on Law and Order once. Obviously he'd be a great president. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 1:42:13 AM | Old Fred Thompson is the last and best hope for the gop in 2008.
The Baghdad War and the sub-prime mortgage sector problems with play to the growing fears of "Working People" in key states like Ohio. The gop must win Ohio to return to power.Thompson according to the lastest polling data would not beat either H B Obama or
Ms. Hillary Clinton.
The other top gop contenders McCain and Rooney are pretenders.
The real question is can the republicans carry Florida the land of two stolen presidential elections and the voting dead
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 9:11:39 AM | charlesedm, lets just agree to disagree here. Gore did say he ""took the initiative in creating the internet". Now if he had said that he "took the initiative to make the internet public", nobody would care., In fact that might be cool.
Face it man, he blundered big-time. The fringe lefties like you wont help him by saying he never said it...because we can always dig up the audio. It would have been best for him to say that he mis-spoke, and restate what he ment. I don't recall him ever doing that, I recall him saying he said something else instead. When mainstream people see that he can't own up to a small thing like that; they wonder,"what else would he try to spin or cover up?".
Now as far as Fred Thompson goes; I think he has a good shot if he runs. I hear his politics are very much like Regans, and people like voting for actors for some reason. I'm not sure if he's for big or small government. I won't vote for him if he supports any part of a nanny state. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 12:15:03 PM |
Face it man, he blundered big-time. The fringe lefties like you wont help him by saying he never said it...because we can always dig up the audio. It would have been best for him to say that he mis-spoke, and restate what he ment. I don't recall him ever doing that, I recall him saying he said something else instead. When mainstream people see that he can't own up to a small thing like that; they wonder,"what else would he try to spin or cover up?".
Riiiiight because your mainstream right? After all I'm sure you hold bush to the same standard when he "missspeaks".
Of course you want to agree to disagree, I mean when the inventor of the internet gives him an award for being a big part of initiating the internet, maybe Gore had a point? Namely that he had a point in initiating the internet? Never mind that "invented" and "created" are not the same thing. In the same way that "creating" a chocolate sunday isn't the same as "inventing" the chocolate sunday. But it's ok, Republicanism=fascism, and as long as you just don't admit you're wrong, you're not wrong right?
Now as far as Fred Thompson goes; I think he has a good shot if he runs. I hear his politics are very much like Regans, and people like voting for actors for some reason. I'm not sure if he's for big or small government. I won't vote for him if he supports any part of a nanny state.
You want a guy who increases your debt to record levels on military spending? Ok odd thinking. Oh I get it, you think Fred Thompson will give you more of the same as you've got right now. Maybe at this rate the USA can vote itself entirely out of having a democratic system within the next ten years! | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 1:02:08 PM |
Readyfordating forgets that he was a senator, and all of a sudden he is talking about technologies from the 50's.[/qoute]
careful Charles you are putting words in my mouth, and that is against the rules
maybe you are unaware of the fact that Gore was in Congress 8 years before he was in the senate for only two years
ironically Thompson took over Gore's the two remaining years of gore's term as senator before becoming the Vice President.
So the very man you dismiss as "nothing but an actor" was a Tennessee senator longer then your precious Al Gore, but as a neo-crat your view is tainted obviously
Why not just admit that Mr Gore made a very clumsy, self serving statement about the internet, then to argue about what he really said, but then you never do that do you? | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 1:53:54 PM | >Oh my god, can we please leave the "flip flop" thing behind us? Find a single
>nominee that hasn't at some point gone "Oh crap I went the wrong way with
>this decision"
My problem with the flip flopping is that most candidates seem to flip flop just to please the people they are speaking to at the moment and deny that they ever was on the other end of an issue. CHRIST! Make up your mind and tell the people what you believe in, regardless of whether they like it or not. At least we know what side of an issue you stand on and if you stand on an opposing view of mine, then give me a compelling reason why y0u believe in what you do instead of the canned responses and sound bites that all these candidates seem to be full of!
Only people I'd really want to see run and I would vote for would be either Colin Powell, Arnold Schwarznegger (can't run because he's not American born) or Al Gore. Even a Powell/Gore or Gore/Powell ticket sound very appealing to me. Since none of them are running, I'm leaning towards Obama right now. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 2:39:17 PM | The Smartest and IMHO, best non-candidate is Newt Gingrich.
The only reason again IMHO, that Fred is getting people excited is because most of us are not impressed with the current crop of North-East Liberals possing as GOP front-runners. The only reason Guliani and Romney are front runners are because the main stream media is pushing them on us and trying to convince us we really like them. 
I don't trust either of them but would of course vote for either if I have to choose between the lesser of two evils as it appears we may have to do. again
Hitlary ... noway, she is a socialist, and feminazi, she would be so bad for America right now. No offense to the ladies but we are in a war with people that don't respect woman or even recognize woman as fellow human beings, not the best time for a woman president. One day sure, but not now, and definently not her.
O-bomb-a our allies ... is just not ready for prime time, this man may well one day be a viable candidate, but not yet.
Breck Girl Edwards, This man is vain, insecure, and clueless. He is a walking example of why we need major tort reform in this country.
Al Bore, me to tears, has already lost twice, no way he will get the nod. He could always run as an independent thus splitting the Dem vote, hmmm I kinda like that idea but, I'm sure he has been given his marching orders already and knows to stay outta Hillary's way.
The second tier Dems, don't have a chance as again the MSM has anointed the above list as the progressive standard bearers.
I personally would love to see a Gingrich/Huckabee ticket on the GOP side, or perhaps to be realistic and compete with the inevitable Shrillary/Obomba ticket maybey say Guliani/Micheal Steel.
One things for sure ... it's gonna get interesting...... | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 6:18:09 PM | Riiiiight because your mainstream right? After all I'm sure you hold bush to the same standard when he "missspeaks".
Well yeah; and yeah I would hold him to the same standard! I was very angry when Bush told a reporter "the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper." I think Bush's statment was far worse than Al Gores blunder. I laughed at Al Gore; and hit a wall when Bush made his statement.
Someone who says "the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper." Isn't going to defend it. He isn't going to defend my rights or yours. Any man who can openly say that; would have no problem selling out America to some N.A.U. (regardless if the threat is real or imagined)
In the next election I will vote for America; not party lines. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of the left vs right BS. I only care about America; and right vs wrong. If Fred Thompson stands for what is right; he will have my vote. If it turns out that nobody does, I won't vote at all. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 6:20:55 PM |
Why not just admit that Mr Gore made a very clumsy, self serving statement about the internet, then to argue about what he really said, but then you never do that do you?
It was only clumsy in it's misquotation. Your republican attack machine takes out any context, and in fact changes words.
Tell me if you really have issues with clumsy wording (which you're stating it now instead of dishonesty) how about we talk about your beloved president?
So the very man you dismiss as "nothing but an actor" was a Tennessee senator longer then your precious Al Gore,
I swear you make me scratch my head sometimes ready for dating, these knee jerk responses of yours. Why yes Thompson was a senator longer than gore. You know, Al Gore was busy being vice president. Al Gore entered government in 1985. Thompson in 1994. But hey, don't allow the facts get in the way, you have a habit of forgeting Al Gore's service in the senate any time it's convenient, to the point of correcting people who mention it.
All silly in my opinion, the only reason I mentioned Gore was it's always fun to point out how the worst republicans can say about him is a made up quote about him "inventing" the internet. Just like their frankly bizzare Clinton****obsession.
but as a neo-crat your view is tainted obviously
Huh. Inventing words to make insults are we? I think you're calling me a new democrat. Which doesn't make sense. Neoconservatism is a movement. You know, new-conservatism. Unless a new party has been produced there can't be a neodemocratic party. Just like there isn't a neorepublican. It doesn't make sense.
Also, I'm not a democratic party member. I think you're confused
Whats a democrat anyway?
Well yeah; and yeah I would hold him to the same standard! I was very angry when Bush told a reporter "the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper." I think Bush's statment was far worse than Al Gores blunder. I laughed at Al Gore; and hit a wall when Bush made his statement.
Well good for you, but then maybe you should hold gore accountable for what he actually said, not for what gets repeated. I think it's unfortunate that you've made this decision AFTER Bush's second term ellection, and have decided that what needs to be done is...
vote for the exact same party and power structure. That will show them! | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/10/2007 6:37:07 PM | I think it's unfortunate that you've made this decision AFTER Bush's second term election
I will never vote for Gore; but its to bad Bush waited until his second term to say what he did. I know quite a few conservatives and liberals alike who whant him impeached. However, its interesting that has not happened in a democrat controlled congress. (really starting to think there is no right and left anymore; we just have right and wrong) | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/11/2007 10:26:33 AM |
Al Gore entered government in 1985. Thompson in 1994. But hey, don't allow the facts get in the way, you have a habit of forgeting Al Gore's service in the senate any time it's convenient, to the point of correcting people who mention it.
Wrong again Charles, Gore didn't start enter government in 1985, he entered in 1976 as a Congressman and served until 1984, but don'tlet that stand in your way of knowledge
I never said Gore said he invented the internet, I made a direct quote of his from a Wolf Blitzer interview, I thought it would be best readers of this forum would read it directly and form their own opinion.
Neo-crat is what I call an aggressive democrat that uses his/ her view to try to bend policy or public opinion to their point of view. See the difference between you and me is, I see everyone on an equal basis to make a decision about who our next president should be, the Neo-crats don't think republicans have the right or intelligence to make that decision....just an observation from past posts.
When the Presidential election comes, I will vote, and most likely along the republican lines, Maybe for Thompson, maybe for Rudy, but rest assured, you won't have that priviledge, because I am an American........everyone else just gives lip service. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/12/2007 3:21:27 AM | Ronald Reagan was the best American leader in 30 years! I was just a kid when he was in office, but I remember being damn proud to be an American. Reagan wouldn't need any (un)Patriot act to keep us safe. He would have just held both elelcted and non-elected officials accountable for their actions.
The government today doesn't respect its own laws. Two border patrol guards are in jail for shooting a drug runner in the A$$! All it does is beat "We The People" down, in response for its own impotence.
In my mind, the next elelctions are about restoring America. The America I grew up in, is all but destoyed. Its getting closer to becoming the very evils we fought against in the first two world wars.
I still believe in America, but the corupt cancer within as to be cut out. It has to be done before the infection spreads, and is not worth saving anymore. The window of time is growing ever shorter. This can be done by simply passing laws that make our officials accountable.
Does anyone including Fred Thompson have the courage to stand up for what is right? | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/12/2007 3:45:43 PM | Tell me what does any of this have to do with Fred Thompson?
The only reason again IMHO, that Fred is getting people excited is because most of us are not impressed with the current crop of North-East Liberals possing as GOP front-runners. The only reason Guliani and Romney are front runners are because the main stream media is pushing them on us and trying to convince us we really like them.
I don't trust either of them but would of course vote for either if I have to choose between the lesser of two evils as it appears we may have to do. again
Hitlary ... noway, she is a socialist, and feminazi, she would be so bad for America right now. No offense to the ladies but we are in a war with people that don't respect woman or even recognize woman as fellow human beings, not the best time for a woman president. One day sure, but not now, and definently not her.
O-bomb-a our allies ... is just not ready for prime time, this man may well one day be a viable candidate, but not yet.
Breck Girl Edwards, This man is vain, insecure, and clueless. He is a walking example of why we need major tort reform in this country.
Basically this is the level of criticism I'd expect if these people were running against somebody for school president, you have any actual criticism that doesn't amount to name calling and school yard gossip?
I could fall Fred a fat, out of touch old man. It wouldn't really reflect on his politics. But I find it amusing that you attack Edwards for being a lawyer (and doing his job) and just gloss right over a ellecting a lobyist for president.
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/12/2007 4:01:04 PM | You ever notice how these "pro republican" always turn into a Democratic member bash fest? I suspect it's because there isn't enough good to say about Fred Thompson, so people have to attack the opposition. Al Gore could have claimed he invented the wheel. Edwards could have gotten his hair cut for 500 thousand dollars by a nazi emblem wearing topless hooker...
and Fred Thompson wouldn't be a better or worse candidate. Come on people, lets hear less lies about Democratic members, and some more actual hard facts about Thompson. I mean look at some of these posts in this thread.
Wrong again Charles, Gore didn't start enter government in 1985, he entered in 1976 as a Congressman and served until 1984, but don'tlet that stand in your way of knowledge
Thank you for the correction, Al Gore in fact did have a great deal more experience in government than Fred Thompson. You're correcting me, and making your position less sustainable. Don't let that interfere with your rather bizzare position on the matter. I don't let things "get in the way of my knowledge" I use them to expand on it. "Getting in the way of knowledge" is a fascist ideal, don't project those on me.
I never said Gore said he invented the internet, I made a direct quote of his from a Wolf Blitzer interview, I thought it would be best readers of this forum would read it directly and form their own opinio
For that I thank you as well. It certainly puts it more into perspective for those that have any reading compehension. Makes it interesting why the chain e-mails that get passed around by Republicans didn't actually use that quote?
Neo-crat is what I call an aggressive democrat that uses his/ her view to try to bend policy or public opinion to their point of view. See the difference between you and me is, I see everyone on an equal basis to make a decision about who our next president should be, the Neo-crats don't think republicans have the right or intelligence to make that decision....just an observation from past posts.
So you've made up a word, and made up a definition, and then call people that who don't agree with you. FUN!
I have no problem with Republicans having positions and running for office. I see it as my job to point out how illogical and often factually incorrect their positions are. But I've never said anybody shouldn't be able to run.
I'm not even a Democractic party member. I don't even fit your silly words definition on either count. You are simply wrong.
These kinds of observations reflect more upon the observer than the observed.
When the Presidential election comes, I will vote, and most likely along the republican lines, Maybe for Thompson, maybe for Rudy, but rest assured, you won't have that priviledge, because I am an American........everyone else just gives lip service.
Nope, you get to continue to screw your country all by yourself. While I get to sit on the sidelines and point out how foolish the electorates decisions are. Isn't it great we both get to have fun?
Your blanket support for all things Republican puts your "neo-crat" statement into perspective. | |
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/14/2007 8:52:01 AM | Charles I can't help but notice or shall I say point out just a couple of things here,
#1, your only 27 yrs old, so you were 13 or 14 when the Clintons were in office in 1994 and Hillary first trotted out her socialized health care. I doubt you were paying a whole lot of attention to American politics at that time so I doubt you really have any idea how bad her ideas were at that time. FYI they haven't gotten any better.
#2, Your Canadian, you can't vote here, so basically your opinion means nothing. Your entitled to it but.........
#3, You seem to like arguing and nitpicking things,
But, because I'm bored at work and rather like poking silly Libs till they explode, I shall indulge myself. 
Winston Churchill once said (disputed, but I kinda like it) " If you’re not a liberal when you’re young you have no heart, If you’re not a conservative by the time your Forty, you have no brains.
So what does all this have to do with Fred Thompson you ask ?
Well pay attention this time, I will even speak slowly in a thick Texas drawl if you think it will help.
We folks in the conservative base of the Republican party are not rightly impressed with the east coast liberals being foisted upon us by the MSM. This means that for those of us in the South, The bible belt, Jesus Land, Fly over country , Whatever you want to call us, We are not impressed.
Fred Thompson when looked at thru rose colored glasses seems to look like Reagan to some. (notice I said some, not all and not ME)
Pretty sad when a non-candidate has people more excited than our current choices.
As far as name calling and school yard gossip, hmmmmm. Ok you need more substance then I felt like putting into my previous post, so be it.
Giuliani = Seems to get the broader implications of the current war on terror, has said he will appoint constitutionalist Judges, and pays lip service to the illegal immigration problem. (It bears noting that New York is a sanctuary city) And claims he would not try and impose New York’s brand of gun control on the rest of the nation, but one has to wonder just what bills he might sign that were put in front of him by a Dem Congress. He also comes with some past marital issues that leave a bad taste in the mouths of some. Seems soft on other social issues, more a moderate then a conservative thus, not real popular in the South.
Romney = Is really just a better looking Giuliani, without the dirty laundry. His positions are so similar to Giuliani they are hardly distinguishing in any way, again not real popular in the South for most of the same reasons.
McCain = He seems to get the war on terror part right but, he has damaged himself so badly with McCain-Feingold, & The McCain-Kennedy Immigration bill that he has a snowballs chance in Dallas in August to ever get elected to a nationwide office. His arrogance is the only thing keeping him in the race.
When you compare Fred Thompson to the above three it's not that hard to see why people are excited by him.
He is from Tennessee and has that southern folksy charm instead of the slick east coast political, used car salesman sort of aura that surround Giuliani & Romney.
He comes across as experienced and wise, unlike McCain who simply comes across as old and tired.
He gets the whole war on terror bit. He gets (or claims to) the immigration problems we are facing. His record in the Senate is for the most part conservative with a few exceptions that he has explained to the satisfaction of most.
And most importantly he's on TV !!! People have a positive image of his TV character & for some reason don't separate the man from the character.
Again if I may quote Sir Winston Churchill.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
Now on to the Democrats .... You dismissed my previous comments which honestly were said in a way as to poke at Liberals and get a reaction, and get my OPINION across, they did all of the above.
Please keep in mind that as I am almost twice your age and have paid attention to American politics since the 70's and Jimmy Carter I have a little more to base my OPINIONS on then you sir.
While there may be some things I remember fondly from the 70's, Jimmy Carter, high taxes, high interest rates, lines at the gas stations, & the hostage crisis are not some of them and I have no desire to return to those rather failed policies.
Hillary = BIG Government, socialized medicine, windfall profits & higher taxes.
Quote "We are going to take things away from you for your own good"
Translation= We are going to take more of your money, because we know how to spend it better then you do. This woman has more controversy and scandal swirling around her and ole Billy boy then we need to ever get close to the white house again.
Oboma = ????? The man has no real record to look at, as he hasn't ever really done anything. He has nothing to offer and is simply pandering to whoever he can. His inexperience really came to light when one week he says he is going to sit down and chat with the world’s worst tyrants and dictators & then the next week he is willing to launch military operations against an ally, all the while claiming America will never use Nukes. As I said he is not ready for prime time.
Edwards = He can be best described as both of the above. And since to me at least character does matter, my OPINION of him based on what I have seen is exactly what I said in my previous post (vain, insecure, and clueless. He is a walking example of why we need major tort reform in this country.) Again the word OPINION as in my OPINION. This is my impression of him based on listening to him since the 04 elections.
And to save typing, all of the above are:
#1, Weak on the war on terror, none of them seem to get the fact that we are in a clash of civilizations, a religious war if you must, fighting an enemy that will not just go away if we talk nice to them. The sad reality is anything short of killing them all will be seen as weakness.
#2, Weak on immigration, I think you have to live in a border state to truly understand this issue, as no candidate really seems to get the big picture, but the Dems seem especially clueless on this one. (Nearly every town in my neck of the woods has an area where all the business have nothing but signs in Spanish on the outside and the employees do not or at least pretend to not speak English) For those of you who do not seem to get this issue then just wait a while, when the third world moves into your neighborhood perhaps you will.
#3, Higher Taxes, more money thrown into useless welfare programs that only make things worse, all the while robbing the Social Security trust fund at the same time refusing to address the fact that it will fail before I ever see a penny of it.
#4, All of the Dems have trotted out some sort of nationalized health care or socialized medicine depending on which pretty words you want to use. And of course want to raise our taxes to pay for it. Health insurance needs to be something I can shop for and purchase on my own instead of my employer looking at their bottom line instead of my personal needs. The free market could resolve most of the uninsured or underinsured if only given a chance. I DO NOT want the goverment deciding for me.
#5, It's been since Reagan since I actually thought a politician was altruistic in his motives, all of the Dems come across as egoistic and just in it for themselves. (especially Hillary and Edwards)
Ok is that enough detail for you Charles, I hope so as I really should do something constructive here at work, after all there are lots of wefare recipients depending on me to keep working so they don't have too.
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| Will Fred Thompson Run On The GOP Ticket
Posted: 8/14/2007 1:31:50 PM | | I'm voting for Fred Thompson because you can write in any candidate you want, even Mickey Mouse, if you don't like the choices available. I voted for President GW Bush twice and I believe that Senator Fred Thompson will be an even better choice for 2008! | |
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