| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/6/2007 3:38:33 PM |
I read last night....can't remember where....that some rugby leagues are considering making some sort of padding a requirement. Seems the injuries are taking their toll on teams. Imagine you are the owner of a professional rugby team. You can help insure your best players will be healthy all season if some padding or helmets are used. You'd agree to it in a minute because you are protecting your investment.
There is a small range of padding available on the market which is approved my the RFU and the IRB. The only part of the body it is useful for is the shoulders. At the top level a team should be making in and around 70-110 tackles a game. Most of the tackles would be made by the 6 or 7.
talking about the protection i admit that some rugby players wear something similar to a helmet, it has nothing to do with your helmets in NFL. it is more a "leather cover" similar to those used in the early years of the game. but players wearing them are a tiny minority
The head gear a rugby player wears is called a scrum cap this is normally worn by any of the front 5 players but the back row players are wearing them more and more.
The main purpose of these are to protect the ears, they don't do much else ( I have worn one). | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/6/2007 4:16:42 PM | | but i don't understand, why would these guys need padding? surely they are not wimping out like those candyassed football players. you know the ones that would find rugby so difficult. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/7/2007 4:56:34 PM | Kinda funny how you feel we are being anti american and acting superior when it seems that you just don't get it do you. NFL players ARE bigger stronger faster but please just don't ask them to run more than 50 yards without needing O2. Are you serious in your opinions on football players being able to play Rugby, when half the team weight over 300lbs and could NEVER play a game that doesn't have continuous stoppages. I remember hearing a stat that in a NFL game the ball is actually only in play for something like 5 mins.
I used Merriman as an example as he was the best defensive player last year and as a result the prime example of what a football player should be. I am sure he and many other NFL players would be amazing rugby players with time and coaching. As well the NFL has looked at getting some Rugby stars to play in NFL Europe.
Anyway we all have our opinions and no one can be right or wrong with their opinions even Pedro. Just don't be your typical American who has no idea about the rest of the world and that if it isn't American it can't be as good. Example: NBA champs are the "World Champions" Kinda funny when the USA hasn't won the the Olympics or Worlds in quite a while. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/7/2007 8:52:47 PM | | just what is a "typical american"? someone "who has no idea about the rest of the world"? are you drunk or just a bigot? you are a piss poor representive of a wonderful country! | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/8/2007 11:17:26 AM | i think soupy hit the nail, well said!
a typical american??? clearly flthymcnsty as he only posts silly comments instead of posting upon the thread seriously, lol | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/8/2007 1:20:38 PM | | i guess when i think about it i should be flattered. i mean who else gets dissed like the americans? the price you pay for being at the top of the food chain. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/9/2007 2:38:04 AM | "at the top of the food chain"
now there is no doubt you are a typical american, always thinking you are the best when you are not!
you call NBA champions "world champions" even if USA have NOT won the Olympics or the World Basquetball Championship.
you call MLB champions "world champions" even if MLB is just one league within one country played obviously by american teams, when the real fact is that USA did NOT win the Baseball Olympics or Baseball World Cup (or whatever the hell is called).
you call Nascar champions "world best drivers" when the real fact clearly shows that F1 is far superior with more skills needed to drive, instead of those "always the same ovals"
however, not all americans are like you my friend, lol you still find a lot of people admitting and agreeing when there is to be admitted and denying when there is to be denied. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/9/2007 6:32:21 AM | | this is not on topic but your fellow bigot, soupy threw the first one. you never hear us americans bashing any other country. we never say "typical spaniard" or "typical canadian". why do you think that is? | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/9/2007 11:01:18 AM | | ^They are just mad that American football has perfected the "TV timeout" and we NFL fans can go to the bathroom or grab a beer without missing any action. They have to hold it until half-time or full-time. That would make me cranky too. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/10/2007 9:18:21 AM | you never bash any other country? are you serious?
when you say "at the top of the food chain" you are bashing all countries, stating that USA is the best country at everything.
i think you really know you all americans are NOT the best so why? what for?
USA is a great country but when it comes to sports, there are many other countries beating you.
surely you have got the best american football clubs, you know, those belonging to the NFL, however, are you sure any NFL club would beat some NFL Europe clubs? i am not sure! there is no world tournament of american football so there is not any "official world champion" | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/10/2007 9:31:28 AM | | for the last time petey when did i bash another country? you can't give me an answer because it hasn't happened! but when one of your fellow bigots takes an unprovoked swipe at my country that shit is ok? | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/10/2007 9:52:15 AM | i only speak for myself and no-one speaks for me.
if some "fellow" of mine bashes USA, then i shall gladly kick its ar$e!
by the way, would you tell me the difference between "at the top of the food chain" and "NBA champs are the world champions kinda funny when the USA hasn't won the Olympics or Worlds in quite a while"???
i think both statements are about the same shite, you know, slagging the other side off.
now here is my thought: USA is quite good at baseball, basketball and NFL, however, since there is not any world tournament of NFL the winner of the Superbowl must not be called "the best world NFL club" and that USA has not won the last world basketball tournament nor the baseball olympics, you can NOT say you are "at the top of the food chain" | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/10/2007 5:09:01 PM |
surely you have got the best american football clubs, you know, those belonging to the NFL, however, are you sure any NFL club would beat some NFL Europe clubs?
Well since NFL Europe is pretty much a feeder league for the NFL, I'm pretty sure they could offer some competition.
Fact doesn't change that skilled athletes exist in both sports, tough athletes exist in both, and those with high endurance exist in both. There are probably guys from either side that could play either sport, but not every football player could play rugby, and not every rugby player could play football. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/11/2007 10:42:48 AM | | yes but you must agree that rugger players would find NFL easier as they are very used to move/run on the pitch because rugger is a sport with a heavy and hard pace and players need to be quite mobile and versatile, whereas some NFL players would find it more difficult, above all those players whose duty mainly is to be a wall stopping the rival. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/11/2007 8:34:08 PM | Sorry to upset you. And to answer your question, you just have to ask the average American about countries other than their own. Not all obviously but like I said, average. And yes the rest of the world does know a lot more about the US than the other way around. And yes you are right about being at the top, power wise and economically, but I can't ever remember the US being ranked by the UN as the best place to live.
But back to the sports, just two different games with different skills that just happen to be very tough physically. Just have to laugh at cavalier trying to use US college Rugby as any kind of reference. Kinda like Using Canadian College football. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/12/2007 6:46:36 AM | also in wikipedia:
This was a quote about american football:
"An unintended consequence of all the safety equipment has resulted in INCREASING LEVELS OF VIOLENCE in the game which unprotected would be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ............. In previous years with less padding, tackling more closely resembled tackles in rugby union, with LESS SEVERE IMPACTS (LOL) and LESS STRUCTURAL INJURIES (LOL). Better helmets have also allowed players to use their HELMETS AS WEAPONS, although this is restricted when tackling the quarterback"
so lesser severe impacts and less structural injuries = tougher players??? ah i get your argument thx.
NFL players have weapons in their games, rugby players don't so i guess rugby = more dangerous?? ah i get your argument thx.
pads and helmets doesn't necessarily = protection. The game is too intense to play without them. that can't be said with rugby. the reason there IS armor in football is because it's a NECESSITY not a LUXURY as you try to spin it out to be. maybe someday when rugby gets rough enough.. they'll start to NEED armor.
all joking aside... I will concede though that rugby players are more fit and have more endurance. that doesn't necessarily make them tougher to be able to play without long time outs. if that were the case.... no one would argue toughest sport would be long distance marathon races. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:13:31 AM | because NFL is a more violent sport at charging does NOT mean players are tougher. it is the helmets and pads who suffer the impacts and not the players.
let us explain.........again. well i agree that impacts with players charging at rivals are more violent in NFL but that is all and no more.
whereas in rugger you have a harder and heavier rhythm and pace with players almost never stopping, i mean, never stopping like in NFL. therefore a rugger player is more mobile and versatile which make him tougher to resist.
just my opinion :-) | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:21:08 AM | | i think they could because in practice a lot of football players don't wear padding just because it weighs to much to just practice in. it'd be something to watch though if they could or not. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:40:24 AM |
because NFL is a more violent sport at charging does NOT mean players are tougher. it is the helmets and pads who suffer the impacts and not the players.
let us explain.........again. well i agree that impacts with players charging at rivals are more violent in NFL but that is all and no more.
whereas in rugger you have a harder and heavier rhythm and pace with players almost never stopping, i mean, never stopping like in NFL. therefore a rugger player is more mobile and versatile which make him tougher to resist.
just my opinion :-)
you're entitled to your opinion.. i just think you make a lot of assumptions which aren't true.
helmets and pads do absorb damage... and although that is true, how come players in the NFL still get more serious injuries than in rugby???.... that goes to show you how much more intense the game is than rugby. rugby has no protection yet they don't get injured badly like NFL players... hmmm
"rugger" has a harder and heavier rhythym? i disagree with you there. when players stop and go then stop and go... the intensity during the time when they actually play goes up. Imagine a sprint and a marathon.. which one do you think is more intense. in a marathon, runners exert alot of energy but it's over a loooooong period of time.. a sprint doesn't last long but alot of energy gets used up in a short period of time. An NFL game is like a series of sprints but a rugby game is more like a marathon.
Therefore, imo, NFL games are harder and heavier rythym. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 12:05:39 PM | Hmmmm, well. U need really good endurance to play Rugby and even though NFL players shoot for good endurance....they don't train for that much playing time.
I personally don;t like Rugby. I look at Rugby as Football thats constantly on special teams with no whistles.
Blah,. who cares. Rugby is a terrible sport. I meen somebody blow a whistle and get that game under control.
Rugby has a play sheet....football has a play BOOK!! It appears to me that there is no strategy to playing Rugby. Just a bunch of barbarians fighting over a ball. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 1:48:26 PM | jokster,
you hit the nail!
yes NFL is like a series of sprints, it gets used a lot of energy but it does not take long so players are not really tough,
whereas rugger is like a marathon where a player needs more energy because of the long period of time.
one who runs a marathon is quite tougher than one who runs a sprint | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 3:21:50 PM | you misunderstand me again pedro.. but it's fine i'm starting to expect that from you now lol.
i wasn't comparing one sprint to one marathon.... i was comparing multiple sprints to a short marathon. since a rugby game is only a couple hours... couple hours = short marathon.
2 hours of stop and go sprinting is alot more tiring than 2 hours of a marathon.... NFL is tougher imo | |
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