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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:08:42 PM |
i still have not watched any NFL match but as i told you before i have seen many scenes coming from those typical american films so it makes me able to comment upon american football,do you not think?
Oh, absolutely! And watching a few episodes of "ER" would make you qualified to perform surgery. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/14/2007 12:11:25 PM | "2 hours of stop and go sprinting is a lot more tiring than 2 hours of a marathon"
now it is clear that you are joking my friend. i had always known that North Americans have a great sense of humour, lol
seriously, it is said that in NFL the ball is only at play for 5 or 10 minutes so please do not make me smile.
also, let us tell you that in NFL there are lots of substitutions so one player usually plays for5 minutes and no more. rugger is quite different so players who are used to play for a long time are TOUGHER! | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/14/2007 3:38:56 PM |
"2 hours of stop and go sprinting is a lot more tiring than 2 hours of a marathon"
now it is clear that you are joking my friend. i had always known that North Americans have a great sense of humour, lol
seriously, it is said that in NFL the ball is only at play for 5 or 10 minutes so please do not make me smile.
also, let us tell you that in NFL there are lots of substitutions so one player usually plays for5 minutes and no more. rugger is quite different so players who are used to play for a long time are TOUGHER!
pedro your letting me down lol.... when i said 2 hours of stop and go sprinting... of course i didn't mean 2 actual hours of sprinting... that would be TOO INTENSE
also remember it would be sprinting with some gear on.. not just sprinting with a tshirt
and if you think the NFL has the ball only in play for 5 to 10 min... there's no more point in me argueing with someone who doens't even inform himself :P
have a good one pedro..... | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/15/2007 4:53:56 AM | well it has been said many a time that the ball is in play for 10 minutes more or less if you count the few seconds of every action, think about it please.
the rest of the time is full of stoppages, substitutions, etcccccccccccccc as far as i know.
i think both you and me do not disagree much, let us explain: both agree that NFL may be more violent and that players are better sprinters, however, rugby players are more used to suffer because of the hard and heavy rhythm of the game, a game which lacks of those bloody stoppages and we must not forget that sometimes a rugger game is played on a dirty and filthy pitch after having rained. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/16/2007 5:49:02 PM | American Football players wouldn't last FIVE minutes in rugby!!!! Only the septics could invent a sport with a rugby ball where it is thrown 99% of the time and the only person who kicks it isn't even a YANK.....and call it FOOTBALL  And to cap it all they have to stop it after each play so they can get their breaths back and have 58 time outs!!!! | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/16/2007 7:31:36 PM |
also, let us tell you that in NFL there are lots of substitutions so one player usually plays for5 minutes and no more. rugger is quite different so players who are used to play for a long time are TOUGHER!
Ok then... we have it settled. Get a bunch of rugger players together, give them the rules of football, and let them play an entire game without any stoppages in play... a full 60 minute game run in the 2-minute drill. That'll put us in our place. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 5:52:30 AM | "sometimes a rugger game is played on a dirty and filthy pitch after having rained."
An NFL game has NEVER been cancelled because of the weather. Rain, wind, snow, ice, bitter cold....NFL plays in it all. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 9:51:13 AM |
An NFL game has NEVER been cancelled because of the weather.
Wrong.
Admittedly not many have, but there was a game postponed in 2004 between Miami and Pittsburgh due to fears over the weather.
It hardly matters.
They are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES.
One requires heavy padding, the other doesn't. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 9:52:20 AM |
see how tough those scantily clad rugby dudes are after playing on turf. they would have more rug burns than a 10 dollar hooker.
We discovered in Europe a long time ago that playing sports on turf ends up in far more injuries than on grass.
Half the fun of playing rugby is sliding through the mud anyway. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 10:20:24 AM | "a game postponed in 2004 between Miami and Pittsburgh "
Actually the game was moved up a day to avoid the hurricane....regardless postponement does not = cancallation. My point was the NFL plays in snow, ice, well-below 0 temperatures, fog, wind, .......thus rendering pedro's argument about rugby guys being tough because they play in the rain and mud kind of silly. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 10:40:31 AM | There is more scope for moving matches in rugby, it's just easier all round. Of course arguing that rugby players are tough simply because they play in rain and mud is nonesense. They are tough for other reasons. That's not to say NFL players aren't tough, all athletes have to be.
I could give a reason for why one side is tougher than the other here but whats the point. The games do not compare. Why not compare the toughness of a cricketer with that of a fighter in the UFC? It's a rubbish, 'my sport/willy is better/bigger than yours' argument. Enjoy both sports, or enjoy one, or none. The simple fact that NFL exists has no bearing on your enjoyment of a rugby game and vice versa. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 11:49:06 AM | Cavalier,
i gave you many arguments which explain why rugger players are tougher, sadly you have only taken that about the rain and mud.
the rhyhm and oace in rugby is harder and heavier than in NFL so that makes rugger players tougher, it is a matter of logic and do not forget that NFL players play for 5 minutes more or less, whereas rugby players can play a whole match | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 12:04:29 PM | Are you entirely certain that you understand the meaning of "tough" pedro......i'm not sure you do. The only statement that can be made with any certainty regarding this pointless debate is that rugby requires more endurance...more stamina. Toughness is much less easily defined term.
To me toughness is defined as the ability to absorb physical punishment and continue to compete at a high level. By that definition both sport's participants qualify as "tough". Same as boxers, ice hockey players, MMA fighters.....etc.
While there is a level of contact inherent in futbol and basketball, neither game is nearly as physically demanding(not talking stamina....talking about physical punishment absorbed by the body)as American football or rugby.
I think it was former Ohio State football coach who once said, "football(American) is not a contact sport...basketball is a contact sport....football is a collision sport". | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/17/2007 9:48:54 PM |
do not forget that NFL players play for 5 minutes more or less
Of football.
whereas rugby players can play a whole match
Of rugby.
Two different sports, two different skill sets, two different styles. Ask any rugby player who understands football if they could play an entire game at the same pace as a football player with no stoppages and no substitutions. I'm pretty sure you'll find that real logic dictates that your arguement is ridiculous and unprovable. It also has no bearing on the validity of either sport, which seems to be your intent... to invalidate North American football by attempting to pansify it. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/18/2007 8:57:27 AM |
Two different sports, two different skill sets, two different styles. Ask any rugby player who understands football if they could play an entire game at the same pace as a football player with no stoppages and no substitutions. I'm pretty sure you'll find that real logic dictates that your arguement is ridiculous and unprovable. It also has no bearing on the validity of either sport, which seems to be your intent... to invalidate North American football by attempting to pansify it.
Exactly. I've played both. They both hurt but in different ways, and they require different degrees of fitness. | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/18/2007 9:12:42 AM | Cavalier,
"to absorb pyshical punishment" yes you are right but you must not forget that it is the helmet and pads which absorb the punishment, whereas in rugger it is the player.
both sports are great and we must enjoy them. i disagree with you on the statement saying that boxers and hockey players are as tougher as rugby and american football players. i really doubt Tyson or any hockey player walking off a NFL or rugby pitch ALIVE.
that guy him,
i am not pansifying american football nor do i think i did it before, if i did it then my ap0logies.
i think that any rugger player could play NFL without those bloody stoppages and that high amount of substitutions.
now i must admit that impacts in NFL are worse and more dangerous than in rugger as in rugger most of impacts happen around the man who carries the ball, whereas in NFL it happens with the rival coming to you from many meters away at a higher speed so yes i admit NFL is more violent.
however, my opinion is the same and i consider rugby players more versatile and mobile not only than NFL players but football players as well, for David Beckham looks like a lame pansy if compared to any rugby or american football player | |
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guy47
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Joined: 2/11/2007
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/21/2007 9:27:23 PM | I've played american rules football both with pads and without. In the Game with pads we had a practice called the Ram drill
"where you divide the team in two, line each half opposite each other by 15 yards then run as hard as you can and hit the other player on the forehead with your helmut"
To even try this WITHOUT A HELMUT would be suicide!! .....as this is not incidental contact but rather a drill to show you the proper way of hitting an opponenet without breaking your neck.
When you tackle in football you lead with your forehead "eyes open" then wrap as if you are going to go right through the opponet.
Just the same it took a long time to get used to as I can remember plenty of times where I felt close to pasing out. only to get back in line and do it again.
Trust me when I say this: for Ive played Hockey, Lacrosse, and (Football without pads) there is not a more VIOLENT GAME THAN FOOTBALL WITH PADS.
Rugby and Football are two different games completely not only in Rules but in Mind Id think twice before tackling in rugby but never in football these are the diiferences in mindset alone | |
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guy47
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Joined: 2/11/2007
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/22/2007 2:42:16 PM | you NEVER teach that
I would love to hear your version of a Rams drill
One of the first things you teach is to tackle with your head up this is the Very Reason for why it is called the Rams Drill.
It is to get used to your face mask and helmut and build confidence in the protection it provides
It is a common fact that too many first year players lower their head when tackling an apponent for fear of hurting there face..
Wearing a horse collar with straps connected to your helmut is an option of aditional protection.
Lowering your head is the best way to jam or break your neck, not to mention a penalty for Spearing. or using your helmut as a weapon.
On the contrary if your coach DIDNT teach you this is your coach would be a complete Idiot!!! | |
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guy47
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Msg: 99 | |
| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/22/2007 3:44:05 PM | HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL-RELATED CERVICAL SPINAL CORD INJURIES IN LOUISIANA: THE ATHLETE'S PERSPECTIVE
Although using the helmet as an offensive, battering ram must be discouraged, it is likely that many neck-flexed tackles are performed not from intentional spearing or butt-blocking but from sloppy, poorly executed tackles and blocks. The athlete must overcome a natural tendency to tuck one's head when about to collide with an opponent. If this inferior tackling technique is tolerated by coaches of peewee and youth teams, the habit will be difficult to overcome by the time a student reaches high school competition.
The most important preventive action is avoidance of contact with the top of the player's head. However, sometimes such contact is unavoidable. One of the more important functions of the posterior and lateral neck muscles is to maintain the integrity of the cervical vertebrae through a powerful compression load (13). Thus, adequate conditioning of neck muscles is essential. Athletes should be given proper exercises to strengthen their necks thus enabling them to hold their heads firmly erect while making contact during a tackle or block. Good musculature will also better distribute or dissipate the force of impact.
http://www.injuryprevention.org/states/la/football.htm
Now Once again I would like to hear your Version of the Rams Drill ..... enough said | |
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| American Football to Rugby: Your Thoughts
Posted: 4/22/2007 4:24:27 PM | | line up 15 yards and hit the other player with your helmut. thats what you posted and it is WRONG and will lead to the exact kind of injury you went and looked up. take my word for it or not. but know this, i coach football. and have for 10 years. and you are right.......enough said. | |
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