| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:13:59 PM | | I have to laugh at those who always suggest that our early ancestors invented religion to keep order or some other trite answer. People living in the Stone Age have been found in modern times on islands who were violent and cannablistic. Yes, some of them "worshipped" snakes or other things which just tells me that the need to worship is inborn in humans. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/21/2005 2:35:03 PM | | I just think that if there were such a power as "GOD" then why is the world so bent on destroying itself you would think that one would protect what they have created if they were all so powerful and mighty and could smight us. Also why haven't any miricles of biblical perportions happened lately? Have you seen sulfer rain from the sky at any point in your life that wasn't created by a volcano? Prove that he made earth and so on and so forth and all that blow. Also would god not be just a tad upset that we aren't exactly following his plan or whatever rules the church set forth in his name for us to "Obey" and "follow" wouldn't you get pretty ticked if your children were constantly disobeying you? If he has punished to the lengths of sodem and gromorah in the past then why doesn't he put us in our place like a father would to a child? I don't know that I believe the word worship either. What is it to worship? Also why would he let us put ourselves in places of such danger and dispair? The answer to me is as plain in my views, just as the answer is plain to you in yours.... | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/22/2005 1:54:44 AM | the world is bent on destroying itself because that's what happens when god doesn't judge and remove those following selfishness........ selfishness takes over.
the reason god doesn't step in is because it must run it's course to be recorded to show what happens if greed is not stopped......... in the past he worked with the nation of israel, producing a seed, and a temple, a demonstration of things to come.
the lesson must be learned that even the environment eventually dies off if greed is not stopped.
this is just the first step, in a process of learning to follow love, and knowing the results of selfishness.
not all of god's free willed creatures choose to follow love, yet they claim it''s unfair for god to judge them and remove them........ this is all a demonstration
there will be a time, after this, when god steps in.........and all those on the side of truth and love will agree to his judgments. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 8:59:37 AM | | What am I expecting to be paid? As I say If he is forgiving if he is there is he not supposed to give forgiveness if we ask for it? OK. I will ask, when I can see him face to face and know he just not one more of humaities lies to itself. Humanity, so accepting of lies when it becomes comfortable for them to do so. How many were pointed out as witches for instance just so that they could obtain a neighbours land and monies ect from them? I think that you would be one of the pointers in this situation man. Its wiser to keep back till you know whats what. You wouldn't put your hand in scalding water because you were asked to believe that it won't harm you now would you? | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 9:09:43 AM | | TRUTH and LOVE bigs words to you guys are they not? Ok so I don't know what love is now or how to tell the truth because I am not a devoute beleiver? You make me laugh. Yeah the people who once murdered others for not believing yes you christians really know what love is don't you. Yes my son he will forgive you if you ask him then only will you be released by a quick and speedy death at his hands after i have tormented you for hours and murdered your entire family and all your friends too....I think its amusing. Christianity has always been very hypocritical that way. Putting down arabics and jews and persians ect for tormenting people but have they not done the same or worse? Go and read of what happened in Englands tower of london in the name of the lord, in spain of course too tied by englands laws france theres so many and its always christianity blaming the others for it too like they went and started it. It was england that walked into Jerusalem hundreds of years ago but nope it their fault alone... | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 9:33:20 AM | SOME NON-RELIGIOUS CONFLICTS ARE GIVEN BELOW:
The French Revolution:
tried to abolish religion. Look what it resulted in, murder on a mass scale. The Reign of Terror, 1793-1794. The Terror explicitly ordered over forty thousand executions in a nine month period, and directed a brutal assault against the royalist pro-clergy peasant rebellion in the rural Vendee.
Rwanda:
Between April and June 1994, an estimated 800,000 Rwandans were killed in the space of 100 days. The Belgians considered the Tutsis as superior to the Hutus. Not surprisingly, the Tutsis welcomed this idea, and for the next 20 years they enjoyed better jobs and educational opportunities than their neighbours.
Resentment among the Hutus gradually built up, culminating in a series of riots in 1959. More than 20,000 Tutsis were killed, and many more fled to the neighbouring countries of Burundi, Tanzania and Uganda.
Pol Pot:
North Vietnam was a communist and the genocide is a historical fact now. 1975 Pol Pot declares 'Year Zero' and directs a ruthless program to "purify" Cambodian society of capitalism, Western culture, religion and all foreign influences in favour of an isolated and totally self-sufficient Maoist agrarian state. No opposition is tolerated.
Russia and Communism is another.
The list can go on.
We can look at religious wars and see similar things happen.
The problem we face is sin in the hearts of men/women on a massive scale and God is telling us to refrain from sin. Time and time we fail to listen to God. Ridding ourselves of religion is one thing, but ridding ourselves of God will surely destroy us. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 10:06:33 AM | Oh so can I love so can I. I can go on for quite literally for hours on this topic if you like.
Here we go for leaders: Hitler(duh, of course), marquis de sade, spanish inquisition cardinal richaleua , the real dracula of walchia vlad tepes dracula or the impaler prince, ( by the way I say de sade because believe it or not he was in the start a leader in his comunities polically before the writing of Julianne), gangus kahn, the emperor of japan ww1, general leigh and general custard as I call him, Gious Julius ceasar, marcus arillueous, mark anthony, cleopatra ( the second the last ptolomey of the greecian blood lines in egypt and the woman who took down two of the worlds most powerful men one directly after the other, the first was julius ceasar and his master of the horse right after his death mark anthony both men who believed in gods in the place where eventually christian rulers took over sad to say the begining of what eventually would become the vatican), henery the 8th and his daughter Elizabeth, Elizabeths once trusted advisor the duke of norfolk, William tweed, william wallace, and yes there was a real MULAN even read about where the myth began in the legend, mary antoinette, george bush, Fidal castro, sadam hussein, sadams two sons just like dad, ossama bin laden, and yes even the priminister paul martin, as I said I can go on and on. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 10:10:45 AM | | As I said mostly on the topic all of theese leaders look at them they thrived on hate then and still do now and the root base is always ones believes against anothers, for instance rome did not take kind to ceasar mixing bloods with an eastern queen thats in main part what gave the senate rights to believe that they can murder him in the first place but then how many did julius kill un-justly? | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 10:39:12 AM | | Oh also take a look a cerial killers of all things. Most cerial killers suffered from some form of abuse in the home, In the case of one Ed gein it was his over-excentic religious mother that actually created the man he became and he was the man who began the texas chainsaw masacare tale. It was indeed based on what Edward gein did to his victims he dug up people and skinned them he had only actuall two kills but was suspected of many more and it was impossible at the time to tell a thing forensicly beyond fingerprints so they really don't know the exact amount of live victims beyond mary hogahn and the woman in the hardware store because of the amount of decomp in the victims and some even pretty much mumified and not many fingers found either, couple of skull bowls though. Ted bundy felt no guilt for the women he killed, charles whitman, john wayne gacy, charles ming, alieen warnos, charles manson (who believes still to this day he did nothing wrong in the least, as he said he made sure everyone elses hands got dirty but his own), and each also did you know suffering from some form of head injury or disease when they were young, in whitman it was discovered after he died that he had a brain tomour and was very hyergraphic when live suggesting such a tomour, but also in the end it was his mother as well he indicated in left notes that drove him. Each coming from broken homes of one form or another by divorce, abuse or poverty. Most driven as I said by something past-hence that caused them harm say childhood or teenaged and most coming from religious homes, not every-day either I mean the types that thwap their kids for not finishing dinner and force them to believe all thats outside of home or what they had as a safe place as evil and not to be trusted and all women are whores except mommy and that kind of thing. What I mean by this is what really made them snap most think of its just cause they are sick and all wich is not to be ignored but what MADE them sick, forcing believes and sick situations as youth helped make them the way that they are, no guilt no angush or sorrow for what they have done or no knowlage of the cost of what they have done (usually life in prison execution ect). What I mean is they were not born the way they were and one usually when it comes to the topic have very little compashon towards them but know this they once were children and they way that life panned out for them was not all their own doing. Anyone will discover this in the studies of human behavioral sciences. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 11:04:53 AM |
Most driven as I said by something past-hence that caused them harm say childhood or teenaged and most coming from religious homes
What about countries where religion is not as strong? The UK has a whole host of serial killers and the majority of them have no religious agenda, nor do they come from religious homes.
One example is Dr. Harold Shipman who killed 116 patients over 14 years. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 12:31:34 PM | | Yes actually I have read on him, disturbed individual. Also most common meathod used to murder someone in england is the knife. Stats say thats the most common ways to kill there for some reason. Also thats exactly why I said MOST. You ever read a case that happened in oxford I think where a man cut up his wife, from the phillipines, COOKED her and fed her to the family cat? Also a woman quite awhile ago cut another woman open to retrieve her unborn with of all things a key. You want a good book on the topic take a look at the book called Bizarre murders vol.2. I got theese cases come to think of it from that very book its just been about two years since the last time I had the stomach to read it (it details everything, I mean everything). Like I said stats play a large role in this as well because many of the studies on the topic say exactly what I just did, Past history of physical and or mental abuse, usually within a family of strictness wheather it be religion or something else, also the head injuries and or diseases. The ones that like above are just one murder are usually more disturbing stangely enough. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 12:49:34 PM | Well I actually agree with the majority of what you said. It’s just this
most coming from religious homes
just doesn’t sit well with me. As I said MOST serial killers in the UK don’t come from religious homes.
So I can bring statistics to prove the complete opposite. That’s why my proposition is that it’s nothing to do with being religious or being non-religious, it’s to do with how we control the evil within.
My personal belief is I need the spirit of God to save me from my evil self. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 1:09:18 PM | | I know but thats what the books say my friend some of the most sick minds serial killer and non-serial killer have just like some of the worlds most famed music walked off of british soil. Even, weirdly enough how they are dipicted in fiction is how they are perceived by many many people today. I read the book Outlander by Dianna gabaldon and the englishmen in it would make ya hurl.....his name was jack randall or black jack known for his meathods of get this tormenting his victims while raping them..sicker still all male victims aged 10 and up. Ewwwwwyy...Good book though dianna definately knows her history when it comes to the jacobite rebelion of bonnie prince charlie, the man who led an entire army to slaughter at the hands of the brittish on colloden feild scottland. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/23/2005 1:44:06 PM | | A world without religion...then what is atheism? It takes faith to believe there is no God and a set of ideals without tangible definition to believe. Men will always have ideologies whether grounded in a God or grounded in Humanism and Wars will always be fought as long as men stand for their ideologies. Sometimes war is necessary and sometimes there are evils needing stopped. World War II lost 80 million people. Was it necessary and what was Hitler's belief. What was Stalin's belief. What was Mussolini's belief? What Mao tse Tung's belief? What was Alexander the Greats belief? | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/25/2005 7:28:16 AM | i think religion is very important for us because no matter what we say
and pretend or think that we dont have any religious beliefs there will be times
when we feel that we need to pray or ask for guidance and help from something
or someone.
people change many things and they attribute often and lose their way..so they make mistakes in the name of god /allah/their religion.
i cant imagine our world without religions, it has never been without a religion at all .
people always forget and err, its our nature.
but then there is always forgiveness .
religion is very important at least to me.
religion is not the reason for wars, people misunderstand their religion and the message from their creator and they act in a wrong way because they understanded it wrongly.
we can't and shouldnt blame religion for causing death and war. all religions are peaceful and encourage peace and love between people.
war.. did u know that when man first discovered gunpowder he killed many many many people billions of them..
the ww1 and ww2 werent exactly about religions.. were they?
they were about power and money and countries and political matters..
because they were greedy and wanted to conquire and control the world ..
not because they were "religious"
i dont think itd be invented coz everything every sign around us shows and tells us there is a creator that there is a god, and that god created us for a reason and he would never let us without his guidance and help.
so he sent many messengers to us, it is up to us to believe them and believe in him or not. because - and thats only incase u believe in hell and heaven, and life after death in the first place, - he will judge us and he will punish or reward us.. how is he going to do that unless he sends messengers (books and religions) to shows us the path to heaven? | |
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craww
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/25/2005 9:36:45 AM | cleo,
you blame it all on religion.... what a lie........ to me you are promoting a big lie.
just as big as religious fanatics.
people who are raised a certain way believe a certain way... it's a box that all humans are prone to.
if you had atheist parents who didn't know how to love their neighbor, their children won't know how either.......... love doesn't come from being an atheist or from being a religious person.
many people who belive in christ don't know much about love.
many atheists who condemn christians don't know a thing about it either.
you atheists don't fool me at all......... you don't have more love than the rest.
and you promote errors just like religious people. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/25/2005 7:04:07 PM | Thank you all for this entertaining if not somewhat combersome and heated thread. Cleo, why do you have to lie! Your always lieing! Stop trying to fool seafood, you can't fool him! Money, God, Power, hate. They are all important ingreedents to war. We can't just blame one of them. My favorite war was the one about the rich, white, land and slave owners in America who didn't want to pay their taxes.
But getting back to the original topic. If we didn't have religion, where would I go on Sunday to compare clothes with other people for two hours? How else could I sin and still be okay as long as I believe? How else am I gonna get the 70 virgins if I don't take out at least 15 people with a bomb strapped to me? These are the real questions people!
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/25/2005 9:36:16 PM | What Wade failed to mention is that the taxes those rich, white slaveowners (and other less wealthy people) objected to was an outrageous tarrif put upon Southerners by those in the North. This was what eventually snowballed into the Civil War. I cannot defend the slaveowners but the Southerners were right on the tarrif issue.
If anyone thinks that the Catholic and Protestant conflicts in Northern Ireland have anything to do with religion, they dont know diddley about what is going on over there. Religion is not the basis of wars, politics are. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/26/2005 10:46:07 AM | I gess I faild to mention that part because I was talking about the war of independence from England. But that isn't the point is it? So You, Craww and myself agree that religion alone cannot be blamed for war?
Is it that Northern Ireland wants nothing to do with England politicaly? Because all I ever hear about is the religious part. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/26/2005 11:08:19 PM | | The reason that it is called a war between Catholics and Protestants is that Ireland is predominantly Catholic and England is predominantly Protestant as is Northern Ireland. It has nothing to do with how Faith is practiced. Basically a long time ago England came in and took the 10 best counties away from Irish rule and established it as "Northern Ireland" and imported people to be loyalists to England. All Ireland wants is to get their land back. | |
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