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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:45:31 PM | ^^^
I sort of took a perverse pleasure in reading your post actually -- I almost did the same thing -- I SO wanted to comment on that post -- oh well-- thanks for doing it for me regardless if the OP is gone or not -- the message is still good and the song remains
the same;)
"What would the world be like if there were no religion?"
Heaven on earth?
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 8:24:14 PM | Uh... who are you talking to? That post is 3 years old and the poster is gone
Haven't you ever noticed that some atheists do not pass up an opportunity to preach their non-belief when they think a theist might be listening? I would have said non-religion but since the courts have ruled it is one, I would have been telling a lie.  | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 8:31:13 PM | Haven't you ever noticed that some atheists do not pass up an opportunity to preach their non-religion when they think a theist might be listening?
Huh? What?
I would have said non-religion but since the courts have ruled it is one, I would have been telling a lie.
Great, now I can start some kind of atheist "church" and not have to pay taxes. New career move on the horizon.. I think a yearly pilgrimmage to his unholiness dawkins may well be a tax write off too, wonder what london's like in autumn.. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:23:51 PM |
Great, now I can start some kind of atheist "church" and not have to pay taxes. New career move on the horizon.. I think a yearly pilgrimmage to his unholiness dawkins may well be a tax write off too, wonder what london's like in autumn..
Since the first legally defined Atheist Religious Church was in a prison, a career change will be in order and you will be granted tax-free status as well as free room and board.  | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:28:27 PM |
Since the first legally defined Atheist Religious Church was in a prison, a career change will be in order and you will be granted tax-free status as well as free room and board
Might be a good opportunity to convert all those theists... | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:48:18 PM |
Haven't you ever noticed that some atheists do not pass up an opportunity to preach their non-belief when they think a theist might be listening? In fairness, the thread was "raised form the dead" by a Theist (Msg 68). But then Limey took the bait (if that's what it was) and regenerated the thread some more.
I would have said non-religion but since the courts have ruled it is one Which courts and where ruled that Atheist is a religion? Where's the ruling? | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 12:00:35 AM |
What would the world be like if there were no religion?
disclaimer;
Mybelief ( and please note the word,belief for this post in it's entirety is only based on my personal experiences and my personal belief
so therefore not universally the same for all/nor is my post intended as any form of exclusivity of truth)
again my belief applies as follows;
with or without religion,
there would still be exploitation of the poor for someone else's economic gain
with or without religion,
society would still depend on an unstructured inequality/this false consciousness
that allows for this one's own exploitation
with or without religion,
there would still be social distance that tosses the extended hand into orbit
for indeed,with or without religion,
as one can only control those things that are inferior to him/her
so with or without religion,
for some cats to stay that high,they have to keep others below
with or without religion,
there will would still be prejudices,bigotry,discrimination,racism
and from a sociological perspective ,according to Rothman,racism comes with it's on ideology/set of beliefs /that justifies the exploitation of others and helps serve out it's functions/agenda
But let's not limit the world to just this a world view of religion or even racism when it comes to another having a possible agenda used to promote hate,prejudices,bigotry etc......for are there not other world views as well???
for indeed,even with or without religion,
there will still be world views that comes with it's own ideology/(set of beliefs),
with a possible agenda .....and sometimes,once you pierce the veil while looking through the lens of objectivity,one will find the fuel,....the motivation,....the tool,...the words used as a master of it's own disguise, as others rationalize and justify hate,prejudices,bigotry, for person gain and selfish power.
And with or without religion,
these extreme choices of wrong/bad/evil(whichever word one prefers) do not always seek or depend only on a seal of validation that places it at the feet of "in the name of" .....for indeed,it is also by man's authority alone that can be used as it's own weight of authority,doing whatever shows favor in this one's eyes while taking away all accountability and consequences .
The crime clock and the representation of Uniform Crime Reports(UCR)
reported crimes in reference to the annual ratio of crime to fixed time intervals shows that
2003 crime clock to show frequency of occurrences;
one voilent crime every 17 seconds consisting of
-- one murder every 22 minutes
-- one forcible rape every 5 seconds
-- one robbery every 45 seconds
-- one aggravated assault every 30 seconds
also
-- one property crime every 3 seconds
with or without religion,
another drive shooting will cause another stray bullet to get away and kill another little boy or girl when all this one wanted to do was go out and play
with or without religion.
there will be human suffering and human struggles all around us and all around the world
And in this world, there are people with religion and people without religion. But this alone does not deem one morally superior or morally inferior. And indeed,with or without religion,there are those that mourn with those that mourn and with or without religion,there are those that that take personal accountability for their actions and words,
and I have found others with religion and others without religion that have embraced me the same,with warmth,kindness,compassion and respect. And to me,these cats are the coolest of all!!!!
Again,this post is based on my personal belief/ | |
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| With apologies to Mr. Lennon
Posted: 4/2/2008 1:46:02 AM | Imagine there's no dogma
We'd probably be just fine
No atheists or theists
No your god and no mine
Imagine all the people
Singing the same song
Imagine just a nice day
Not needing to know why
No knowing what is up there
Or what happens when we die
Imagine there's no answers
No need for any proof
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday we'll get it
And the world will be as one
Imagine there's no Islam
No Christians and no Jews
No Pagans and no Hindus
The Buddha'd be gone too
Imagine just some people
Not claiming any truth
You may say I'm a nutjob
But you label just for you
I hope someday we'll realise
The divisive things we do | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 5:57:45 AM | In 1 short paragraph... That may have already been said .. (haven't read EVERy post)
You'd get good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things but far fewer(if any) good people doing evil things.
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:30:26 AM |
one voilent crime every 17 seconds consisting of
-- one murder every 22 minutes
-- one forcible rape every 5 seconds
-- one robbery every 45 seconds
-- one aggravated assault every 30 seconds
also
-- one property crime every 3 seconds
& this is the most religous christian nation on the planet.... Given that the level of belief is actually higher in the prison population it seems that religion promotes crime.....
The more secular nations hardly have any crime worth mentioning, why do you, as a theist, think this is? | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:00:23 AM | ^^^ @ post 85
I don't think Mr. Lemmon would mind at all.
I loved it.
Thanks. 
"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And
we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste."
- Mark Twain -
A world without religion?
Imagine...
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:23:32 AM | & this is the most religous christian nation on the planet.... Given that the level of belief is actually higher in the prison population it seems that religion promotes crime.....
The more secular nations hardly have any crime worth mentioning, why do you, as a theist, think this is?
I've met some theists, christians to be specific, that use the religion as an enablement to do sh*tty things to people. The figuring is that they can always be forgiven by god, no matter how much they eff up, or treat people like sh*t. As long as they keep getting forgiven, they can keep on being sh*ts, and round and round, quite enabling.
DISCLAIMER.. Before I may get accused of being INTOLERANT!!!!!!.. I specifically said SOME theists.. ergo SOME christians.. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:35:21 AM | You brought up John Lennon in your post.
John Lennon had it right Imagine.
Funny, I read an article which list those that publicly dissed God or Jesus when they were famous. And there were some that died horrid deaths. Hope I find that article.
After John said that the Beatles where more famous then Jesus. He was shot dead. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 9:44:19 AM | Just alittle Crazy
The John Lennon quote was taken out of context... What he said was "The Beatles were more popular than Christ" (at that time) and he was correct! That was not disrespecting God, but making a statement that the Church didn't do enough to attract peoples attention. Maybe because it's so bloody useless at it. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:01:35 AM |
Limey: & this is the most religous christian nation on the planet.... Given that the level of belief is actually higher in the prison population it seems that religion promotes crime..... False Conclusion. Hasty Generalisation. Boring.
The more secular nations hardly have any crime worth mentioning, why do you, as a theist, think this is? I think it's untrue and another example of you pulling stuff out of thin air and declaring it to a "fact". Please provide proof of the claim, "the more secular nations hardly have any crime worth mentioning". Thank you.
I've met some theists, christians to be specific, that use the religion as an enablement to do sh*tty things to people. I knwo what you mean. I've met some, atheists to be specific, that use their belief system as an enablement to do sh!tty things to people. I know. How can it be that people who avow no religious affiliation can do bad things to others? But there it is.
As for the rest of the anti-Theist garbage? My advice is "Do Not Feed The Troll"! | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:11:36 AM | I've met some theists, christians to be specific, that use the religion as an enablement to do sh*tty things to people. I knwo what you mean. I've met some, atheists to be specific, that use their belief system as an enablement to do sh!tty things to people. I know. How can it be that people who avow no religious affiliation can do bad things to others? But there it is.
Actually so have I, although they used social darwinism as an excuse to do sh*tty things to people, or justify that kind of position, wasn't necessarily atheism per se. I mean how does the position of non-belief correlate with enabling behaviour? I can see the notion of unremitting forgiveness enabling such behaviour ie "I'll always be forgiven by god, etc.", but the lack of belief? Perhaps the notion of no damnation or an afterlife might embolden them too though.. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:16:34 AM | Is that not basically what I said Skypoetone?
You can think how you think. But your response to me is ...... just absurd.
If people do not want to listen ... they won't. So I guess it is bloody useless to speak about anything in life that people already formed an opinion before they heard anything on any mater.
You might listen to what someone says, but that does not mean you hear what they are saying: | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:34:58 AM |
Oldsoul... Mr. Lemmon, hehe! John's probably laughing. :)
Haha!! I sure hope he is...dang!! I noticed my error only after my edit time had run out!
I've met some, atheists to be specific, that use their belief system as an enablement to do sh!tty things to people.
Belief system?
False Conclusion. And VERY boring.
As for the rest of the [bleeped out]garbage? My advice is "Do Not Feed The Troll"!
I agree.
What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Well...
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
No religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
I guess I'm just a dreamer too...
JMO
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:38:03 AM |
Actually so have I, although they used social darwinism as an excuse to do sh*tty things to people, or justify that kind of position, wasn't necessarily atheism per se. No, it was atheism, per se. They self-described as such, expressed beliefs as such, and used such beliefs to justify their actions. I would have been in a better position to know, yes? Unless you are claiming that my observation was invalid or in error because "atheism" and "doing sh!itty things to other people" are mutually exclusive. Are you?
I mean how does the position of non-belief correlate with enabling behaviour? I can see the notion of unremitting forgiveness enabling such behaviour ie "I'll always be forgiven by god, etc." I think people who do sh!tty things to others will excuse their behaviour in any number of ways. There is no logical cause and effect between "Forgiveness" and "doing sh!tty things to people". Thus you conclusion (if that's what it is) is False.
but the lack of belief? Perhaps the notion of no damnation in the afterlife might embolden them too though.
There you go. Now you're thinking "outside the box"! | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:35:05 AM |
Actually so have I, although they used social darwinism as an excuse to do sh*tty things to people, or justify that kind of position, wasn't necessarily atheism per se. No, it was atheism, per se. They self-described as such, expressed beliefs as such, and used such beliefs to justify their actions. I would have been in a better position to know, yes? Unless you are claiming that my observation was invalid or in error because "atheism" and "doing sh!itty things to other people" are mutually exclusive. Are you?
Perhaps you should reread what I said again.. I was not commenting on your experience, but mine.
I mean how does the position of non-belief correlate with enabling behaviour? I can see the notion of unremitting forgiveness enabling such behaviour ie "I'll always be forgiven by god, etc." I think people who do sh!tty things to others will excuse their behaviour in any number of ways. There is no logical cause and effect between "Forgiveness" and "doing sh!tty things to people". Thus you conclusion (if that's what it is) is False.
Strawman. I never said there was a logical cause and effect, only that they use unremitting forgiveness as an excuse to keep causing trouble. I never said it was logical. Again read CAREFULLY what people write....
but the lack of belief? Perhaps the notion of no damnation in the afterlife might embolden them too though. There you go. Now you're thinking "outside the box"!
This isn't really thinking outside the box.. perhaps for you, but it's a rather elementary conclusion.. | |
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:55:19 AM |
I think it's untrue and another example of you pulling stuff out of thin air and declaring it to a "fact". Please provide proof of the claim, "the more secular nations hardly have any crime worth mentioning". Thank you.
Sorry, I'm not doing your thinking for you. There's this thing called "Google" try exercising your ability to think for yourself. You will find vast amounts of stuff to back up what I said.
To use the theists own argument (oh the irony...) just because you think something is untrue, doesn't make it so.
But just to get you off on the right path:
Look up crime stats for Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Holland etc & then compare the per capita level of crime with the US...
On a more local level the town I live in is known in the US for 2 rather disturbing stats:
#1. It is the most religious town in the US (whatever the **** that is supposed to mean)
#2. It is the (per capita) #1 town in the US for child abuse.
I've personally witnessed this against my own kid by the mental midgets at the church my ex used to take her to so there seems to be a direct connection between the 2 in my experience...
Funny, I read an article which list those that publicly dissed God or Jesus when they were famous. And there were some that died horrid deaths. Hope I find that article. After John said that the Beatles where more famous then Jesus. He was shot dead.
So what did the 6 million jews (& another 6 million catholics) do to deserve their deaths in WWII? Who did this diss?
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| What would the world be like if there were no religion?
Posted: 4/2/2008 12:17:43 PM |
What would the world be like if there were no religion? The answer lies within the one asked..
Here is my question: what if we all thought the same?
Isn't diversity a wondrous and beautiful thing?  | |
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