ksue44
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Joined: 6/20/2005
Msg: 26 | |
| Welfare ?
Posted: 3/18/2007 11:08:50 AM | It doesn't matter if one is "hot" looking or not, to get welfare. OP - sometimes people do fall on tough times, it could be illness, job loss, or a divorce. There's nothing wrong with extending your hand out to get some help to get back on your feet. However, to be on it for a career, yes, then that is wrong.
OP - the day will come when you will be in a very rough patch of your life, and you will find yourself humbled by asking for some sort of help. Don't knock others because they are in their down times. It happens to all of us at some point in our lives. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 11:38:30 AM | OP as a hard working business owner and p/t musician, when did you have the time to contact the MAJORITY of women on POF and discover they are all lazy?  | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 12:24:57 PM |
sometimes people do fall on tough times, it could be illness, job loss, or a divorce. There's nothing wrong with extending your hand out to get some help to get back on your feet. However, to be on it for a career, yes, then that is wrong.
It actually happened once , I got screwed on a big contract and lost everything and right after my separation which messed me up pretty good also. I went down and asked for what they called an emergency cheque and was denied after a ton of paperwork and a long drawn out meeting she told me that she called my house and got my machine with my business greeting. She told me you can't get a cheque if you run a business ? So basically i was told that the government won't help me because I actually have the motivation to find work?
As for the time that I've put in to contact "all the women " on pof I was only talking about locally and that takes only about 3 days If I mailed everyone in my city.
I've been here too long :( | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 12:34:22 PM | | maybe if you cut out all the single mums who dont have a partner and cant work so have no other way to survive | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 1:18:25 PM | Emergency Funds that is a joke...
When I became suddenly single, I applied for such and was
denied because I had 300.$ in my bank (for my mortgage payment)
and same same, after hours of paper work...
sure glad the grumpy office worker has a job!!
Another fact..the greatest receipients of welfare in order are:
families
single men
single moms.....
funny how single moms are the only ones who get a bad rap..
also.... this one kills me....
Dead Beat Dads are an urban myth....
The majority of men pay and are poor or broke because of it...
They are a group with no voice.
My ex, for the 7 years we were together, had nothing....
his X took and took and took...and probably still is. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 1:50:23 PM | | If you have a business and are in construction, you should have just got another contract, or at least had a few dollars in the bank as a back-up. I know, your going to bash women more by saying your ex cleaned you out, when the reality is you probably wasn't a decent provider anyway. And I would suggest you just approach women who have jobs. | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 32 | |
| Welfare ?
Posted: 3/18/2007 2:27:52 PM | Steph129: I really don't believe this:
approximately 5% OR LESS of welfare recipients in Canada are abusing the system I, personally, can think of 7 people, that I know of, that are on welfare, and holding down a job (yes, I have reported every one of them).
Think about it this way: if Statistics Canada was to be honest about these numbers, they would actually be lower, because they would be able to do something with the people who are scamming the system, simply because, by knowing how many are scamming, they might have an idea of WHO is scamming.
I am not calling you a liar, and I really can't prove that you're wrong, I am just saying I find it hard to believe. There are a LOT of people who consider cheating the system a full-time job. They will go to the ends of the earth to scam the system and not have to work...sounds like they'd be better off actually working. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 2:53:25 PM | when the reality is you probably wasn't a decent provider anyway.
interesting attack but I didn't really need to be a provider with my wife she made 100k plus a year ( american )as a controller for a major law/accounting firm. She cheated and I caught her in the act and then I had to deal with the repercussions of a women who was bent on my financial destruction after it all. And trust me she is very good at what she does. You don't get that status by being stupid. the only thing is that with her intelligence it also made her very capable, evil and willing to try to destroy me. She didn't suceed though. I was working 10 hours 7 days a week at the time I was married and she just didn't understand real labour. She wanted me to quit so she could own me. without money I would have been trapped so I made a bunch back then. It pissed her off.
Oh and by the way ? who learned you how to spoke ? | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 2:54:21 PM | Debatable Eldu... ^^^^^^^
One cannot live off the welfare money only....
so to work on the side is a given....
Just as one cannot live on one income, for the most part....
Both couples working, young folks still living at home or forced to
have roomates....Very few people can survive here with what they
earn... A full time job still keeps me below the so called povertry line.
Abusing the system is hard to do...unless one has no paper trail.
It can take up to 5 years (no surprise there) for the gov to catch up with you,
and they will..... They have full time people whose job it is to follow all info to
the end, that is provided.
My son, at 18, worked as a gardener....fresh out of high school...cash,
5 years later they came after him.....
They came after me 3 years after being off welfare for extra support that
my X generously had given me......
how many people do you know who have NOT been a target of the gov for
money owed? | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 2:55:40 PM |
One cannot live off the welfare money only....
so to work on the side is a given....
i TOTALLY disagree with this. working on the side - where you DECLARE ALL YOUR EARNINGS - is fine. working and lying about it is NOT fine. and yes, you can live off welfare alone. it's just not easy to do. you have to give up a lot. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 3:08:08 PM | no problem there...
I personnally do not begrudge a man or woman who works on the side
as honest labour, so they can make ends meet or at least keep the car,
be able to buy cheese, or not be in total hardship.....
I absolutely do not condone Ripping Off the system by those who are recieving
income as a way of life.....
I am sympathic too folks doing side work to makes ends meet....and those are people, in
my experience, who are hard workers...they have the persistance to get up
and get out and make a buck cleaning a house or weeding a garden or banging a nail.
again, I do not condone intentionally making it a way of life
and am forever thankful that I no longer have to be a part of that system..
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Posted: 3/18/2007 6:46:45 PM | Oh and by the way ? who learned you how to spoke ?
What the hell kind of question is that? It doesn't even make any sense. Your punctuation could use a LOT of improvement.
She probably cheated because she wasn't getting what she wanted at home, and if she made so much money, why did she want to destroy you?
I think your basically a jerk who is hung up on theirself. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 7:35:56 PM | | As a single mom, who at one time was in need of the assistance, I have something to say about it. I was unable to get any assistance because I stupidly thought being on welfare was "wrong" and tried to do anything to keep from going on it. When I finally lowered my pride enough to admit I needed help, I was denied help. They told me my credit was poor, so they wouldn't help me. Now, if I had the money to pay my bills, I would have. If it wasn't for my family, me and my kids would have been starving on the streets. So I find it wrong for people who have never been in that kind of situation to judge the ones who are on public assistance. I didn't choose to be in that kind of situation, and I never want to go back there. I don't know too many people that would. | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 39 | |
| Welfare ?
Posted: 3/18/2007 7:50:58 PM | Sorry, Hazy, but...
Abusing the system is hard to do There are people who were raised in the system and know how to work it. I'm not saying every person on it takes advantage.
The people I mentioned who work and are on welfare? 2 of them are a couple, common-law, but hiding that fact, who make about 25,000 each per year at their jobs, yes, low pay, but they also scam the system and each recieve benefits. They claim separate addresses. I don't know how they've managed to hide the fact that they work, but they've done it.
The reason welfare is not much money is to encourage people NOT to stay on it for long periods of time. I don't have any problem with single parents, senior citizens or disabled people being on it, but healthy young adults with no major responsibilities? Hell yes, that's a problem. In our city, there are a lot of people who CAN work but don't. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 7:57:37 PM | I know who you are talking about mika and yes stop trying to help people who are basically whoring!! then you'll meet someone decent . go play your guitar !! think about your business cause I knowthat makes you happy.
Angie | |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 8:08:14 PM | I have been disabled for over 25 years, so I have a lot of experience of what
welfare is really like. The worst part is narrow-minded people who look
down their noses, at those they feel "superior" to. I am surprised that you
claim there are so many women on welfare on this site. I have been on POF
over 2 -1/2 years & have met very few poeple of either gender who aren't
working. Perhaps because they know most people will immeadiately be
prejudiced. After all, what right has someone without a job have, wanting to
be happy & have love? What a concept!?
I seem to recall Mikael, that you mentioned recently, that you find you find
better relationships with "creative" people. Well, because of the kind of society
we live in, most creative people (artists, writers, musicians, etc) don't make a
lot of dough (according to the US Bureau of Statistics, only 5% of writers can
support themselves by their writing alone). Perhaps that is why you are meeting
so many of these women, because they appreciate your musical ability, rather
than measuring you by how much money you have. And because they consider
you to be "artistic/creative", they are under the impression that you will be
more broad-minded than most people.
[One cannot live off the welfare money only....
so to work on the side is a given....]-hazy4
not true at all. You can, but most people are too extravegant. Smoking, drinking, no.
Stupid crap like that, you really can't afford. But my kids were always clean, well-
dressed, & well-fed. I grew up in a fairly poor family, so my mother taught me to budget
& shop, very well.
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Posted: 3/18/2007 8:41:48 PM | DO NOT judge another until you have walked a mile in their shoes!
First off welfair in Canada is not easy to get and if you do, they are in every aspect of your life because of those who have abuse the system.
Secondly kids are starving for the system helps with minimal dollars so ppl live on very little, food banks will tell you this, for the increase in need is growing.
Thirdly, how can one be judged for their hardships in life.
Op I understand your concern but we all have had hard times in our lives...you said it yourself. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 4:17:46 PM | | Many people get on one form of assistance, or another, for awhile...after a divorce, or such. All but 17% of those who are ever on welfare/SSi/etc stay on for less than 2 years, and then get off, and pay back every cent they ever got from the government. Everyone who is not sponging is paying into the system. After years/decades of paying into the system they are entitled to be on the recieving end for awhile after an emergency. When you get arrested, and thrown in jail-for drugs, not paying speeding tickets, beating your wife, etc-you become a sponge living off the system...and you have been in jail before, haven't you? BTW illegal aliens are sponging on the system too...getting the pay, benefits, etc, without paying taxes. You think a woman who is hot should be a prostitute, rather than get on welfare? How about yo mama? | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:40:54 PM | | I'm on welfare because I can't get a job or even keep one for any length of time. Right now I'm going to school. Fact is you have to be doing something with your life and there has to be an action plan with an employment worker at the office where your worker is located. Without the action plan you can't get a transportation check. Other reasons for getting transportation checks is medical reasons, children, etc. Some do use the system bad. Some use it cause its all they got for an income. Meaning yes there poor and don't really have much of a life. Welfare does cover school fee's depending on what program your going to. Its only good till a point then you need to find support in other ways if you want to have some kind of life. I do know some who use the system and it bugs me cause they make the honest people look bad!!!Not everyone uses the system but the ones who do need to get of it. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:46:58 PM |
I do know some who use the system and it bugs me cause they make the honest people look bad!!!
Looking at it from the outside it appears that welfare rewards bad behavior. Those who really want off it seem to be punished for trying and those who work the system seem to get more out of it.
My ex was on welfare and when she got a job she ended up worse off than when she started. Her job didn't pay enough to live on and welfare cut her benefit by more than she made. She wanted off and made the effort but faced the possibility of being out on the street with her young child simply because she was working. Crazy | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:46:59 PM | First of all,not all of the women who use this site are on welfare.
Also,there are many people on welfare/disability pensions that are not
sponging off of the system.
When you make such a statement OP,be prepared for the backlash. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:57:22 PM | | I know what your ex is going through strangerstill. I tried working for a bit as well. Found out you can only work part time while on welfare. I stayed on just in case I lost my job so I wouldn't have to wait 6 weeks and all my bills build up while waiting. About the time I was considering to finally go of it I lost my job. Even when I was working I didn't get enough to support myself. Its sad really. Sometimes I think I be better of going on disability instead cause its to hard to get a job and keep it now. I do qualify for disability due to having 2 learning disabilities and problems with my depression. I don't blame people for staying on it while working cause its to hard to make a living now. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:58:09 PM | Well I am one of the Proud and the few...No not Marines...But I am successfully employed at a very good Job ..Thank You!..And NEVER used the "System". | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:43:26 PM | "Well I am one of the Proud and the few...No not Marines...But I am successfully employed at a very good Job ..Thank You!..And NEVER used the "System".
I can only speak for the US, if you want to work there is work. I have a friend who carried food on her head, to sell at market. She came to the US and was amazed, she now has her masters degree and owns a 350k house. There is plenty of work, you just have to want to do it... | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:52:24 PM | [There is plenty of work, you just have to want to do it...]
In the states maybe. Where I live its almost impossible to get a job without experience or a high school or a stupid course!!! The jobs I can get fire you as fast as your hired. So thats why lots are on welfare where I'm from. After I'm done getting my high school finally I might try working again. Or might just go on disability cause I can't get a job or keep one. Whats the point in trying when you never get a chance? | |
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