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Posted: 7/31/2008 4:12:37 PM |
Why should you have to keep changing jobs just to find one that you can get a decent wage. The problem is companies like Wall Mart care more about making money then there employees. Why can Wall Mart not pay a decent wage. Sure you can find a different but that does not mean you can find one that pays more.
I'm not saying you have to by any means. ALL I AM SAYING IS...you are complaining and the easiest thing you have to do is find a job that you might actually like and consider that you may even make more there is nothing wrong with that. Besides that why jump all over peoples butts in here when your the one complaining. All we are saying is there are other oppertunities out there. Seek them. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 9:23:11 AM | | If Wall Mart payed a decent wage then this would not be a problem | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 10:00:18 AM | | ^Well apparently it would actually. People are whining about Wal-Mart because it's too big basically. I mean, the local Mom-and-Pop store pays about the same on average, usually doesn't include any benefits to speak of , cuts costs in the exact same way that Wal-Mart does , sells the exact same stuff but at a higher price, and usually provides less in the way of customer service, selection, and overall satisfaction otherwise. The difference, really, is that Wal-Mart is faceless and that makes it "bad". | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 5:15:30 PM | If Wall Mart payed a decent wage then this would not be a problem
They pay at least minimum wage, don't they? Why bash them and none of the other gazillion businesses out there that also pay the same minimum wage?
I never understand this whole "Boycott [whatever]!" thing. Why not boycott your friends and family who are giving them the money to stay open? | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:43:02 AM | | Minimum wage is not enough to live on. People that work there also do not get any kind of healthcare. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 1:16:02 AM | How would you feel about Wal-Mart if you knew that the camera systems that watch their parking lot are there to record union-organizing activities by their own employees, not to guard their customer's safety? Or that Wal-Mart structures their wage and overtime so that folks can't make a living there. They can't afford the insurance that Wal-Mart offers it's employees, and the management directs them to public agencies, knowing full well that taxpayers are going to pick up the tab for the benefits the company should make affordable to it's employees, just to fatten their profits.
How many downtown shopping districts have been destroyed, small-town economies wrecked by Wal-Mart? If a township denies them the permit for the spot they want, they just go outside that jurisdictional boundary and build there, on the edge of town, drawing business even further from the established economic epicenter of the area...
Environmentally sensitive designs? They store chemicals and fertilizers, etc. outside in their rear parking lots, and storm run-off carries it into our watersheds. Nobody does anything about it, and Wal-Mart doesn't even HAVE an Environmental Management office or protocol...
Wal-Mart sux, and the only people Wal-Mart helps is the Walton family and their cronies. Sam Walton was a decent guy by most accounts, and probably rolls in his grave at the greed and insensitivity of the folks currently operating the company.
Anyone who patronizes Wal-Mart is shooting themselves and their fellow American in the foot, and should be hung for treason. Yeah, I understand the need for some people to have an affordable place to shop, but our poorest here are as rich as the Waltons are, to the people in some of the countries who slave to make their products. Their profit on many of their imported items exceeds 1,000%. Think about it. Those are jobs going out of the country where people can be treated like sh!t to make it cheaper. No wonder certain parts of the world hates Americans. We(sometimes unwittingly)make it happen because some bigwig(very wittingly) makes the opportunity exploitable. And that's all it is. One sorry-asssed family exploiting the very nation who made them all that they are today. Do some research on Wal-Mart, and find out what kinds of charitable and philanthropic organizations they are involved with, see how little of their huge income that family gives to causes meant to help the poor, sick and needy. Learn about them, and then decide if you think it's really good for you as an American, to shop there.
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Posted: 8/4/2008 2:22:31 AM | | I hate Walmart and have never shopped there and never will. Canadian stores only. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:07:12 AM | Well for me, I have seen the owners of MOM and POP stores buy WALMART product and resell it at a markup in their stores. In fact when I was young and employed in retail, MOM and POP would send me to WALMART to purchase product there as it was cheaper for MOM and POP to buy from WALMART and resell it at a 200% Markup.
So when shopping MOM and POP it doesnt mean it is better quality, it means they too support the big box stores so they can make a profit also.
Everything in life isnt what we percieve it to be.
I will shop at walmart. I have to keep my kids employed so they can get a head start in life also. Walmart hires teens, treats them well, and allows them a flexible work schedule. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:13:03 AM | >>>Minimum wage is not enough to live on. People that work there also do not get any kind of healthcare.
Then clearly you need to bring your concerns to the Minimum Wage Thread and the Health care Thread- Its been asked several times, and you blank out answering the most obvious question whist demanding others follow your commands- WHY SHOULD ONLY WALMART HAVE TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES A PREMIUM?
If your issue is that Minimum wage is too low,then stop getting this thread off topic and address that in an appropriate topic. If your issue is that there should be Health care, then you should stop running this thread off topic and addressed THAT in an appropriate topic. To say that a business, because they succeed, must pay their employees more, is literally punishing success and rewarding failure. Why should Walmart be treated any differently? If people cannot survive off Minimum wage, then clearly those who do NOT work at Walmart CANNOT SURVIVE. Your entire argument hinges on that fact- that somehow its okay for Sears to pay their employees minimum wage, but not Walmart- is a double standard, an arbitrary ideal that picks the most successful and punishes them for succeeding.
You keep bragging about how noble your social ideals are, and how it should be your right to force them onto businesses, but you feel its beneath you to justify your ideals.
>>>How would you feel about Wal-Mart if you knew that the camera systems that watch their parking lot are there to record union-organizing activities by their own employees, not to guard their customer's safety?
I couldn't care less what Walmart uses their cameras for. Why should I? Wish to dictate what a private business can and cannot use their cameras for?
>>> Or that Wal-Mart structures their wage and overtime so that folks can't make a living there.
Yea, thats it- they do it for no good reason- they just want to be **stards.
And are the precious Ma and Pa shops completely and utterly innocent of this practice?
>>>How many downtown shopping districts have been destroyed, small-town economies wrecked by Wal-Mart?
None.
Consumers choose where to take their business- consumers destroyed downtown America,and look like they are destroying numerous malls now too- and why? Because they chose to go to Walmart.
Blaming Walmart for destroying downtown is nothing more than a negation of your own personal responsibility- you make your own decisions in life,and if Walmart makes the shopping experience more appealing than downtown, then it is not Walmarts fault- its the consumers.
In reality,your arguments cold, dark secret is you're not fighting Walmart- you're fighting the concept of competition.
>>>Wal-Mart sux, and the only people Wal-Mart helps is the Walton family and their cronies.
Be sure to tell that to the Millions of people they employ- I'm sure they'd be better off unemployed.
>>> Yeah, I understand the need for some people to have an affordable place to shop, but our poorest here are as rich as the Waltons are, to the people in some of the countries who slave to make their products.
I understand- since no one is poor,then no one should have the opportunity to lower prices. After all, since you can pay more, then clearly you must pay more- your own personal choices have nothing to do with this at all.
Nonetheless, I love how you, in one breath, explained how Walmart is making small business owners unemployed, then proceeded to explain that no one needs lower prices. So Walmart is making people poor, but there are no poor people? Sounds like they're a magical bunch...
>>> Those are jobs going out of the country where people can be treated like sh!t to make it cheaper.
Yea, those people would be much better off if we were to starve trying to grow whatever they can to survive, or sell their bodies to anyone who will take it when they're 12.
These people are not taking these jobs because they love Walmart- they take these jobs because they are desperately poor.These kinds of countries need these jobs to build up a level of capita and skills- you don't work in a sweatshop today because your father developed skills- skills he could afford because HIS father developed skills, to support his children so they could succeed.
Working in a sweatshop sucks ass- but whats the alternative? And aren't these people, just like in our country, responsible for the decisions they make?
And we keep coming back to that issue- that grown adults are responsible for their decisions in life. You seem to be pushing for a world where you are free from the complex difficulty of consquences and responsibilities
>>> We(sometimes unwittingly)make it happen because some bigwig(very wittingly) makes the opportunity exploitable.
Once again, you're damning the people who sell the shirts made in China rather than damning the people who buy the shirts made in China- who enables who? And unwittingly? Why doesn't know how to check a tag and see the 'Made in China' label? You seem to celebrate the concept of blaming the business for the actions of the consumer.
>>>Do some research on Wal-Mart, and find out what kinds of charitable and philanthropic organizations they are involved with,
I'm sorry- now I'm confused- I thought we were talking about a business? Why should a business be condemned for not acting like a charity? Why should any business be ashamed of success, and promise to give it all away as punishment for their sin? | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:34:04 AM | Wow! Go get some anger management, Jiperly.
You live in Canada, Wal-Mart is a US corporation. Stay on your soapbox there in your own country, until they do there what they have done here. Don't worry, they're headed your way.
You don't know sh!t from shinola, and you obviously don't understand the concept of exploitation. Your attention span doesn't seem be able to match the brevity of your rage, either, lol. Your raging naivete only serves to make you appear ignorant. The uninformed spewing of a booger-eating moron!
Don't bother kicking it back at me, because I won't dignify you with a response.
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Posted: 8/4/2008 5:38:59 AM | >>>Stay on your soapbox there in your own country
Last I heard, you're not a moderator- so if you think I'm breaking the rules, don't hesitate to report me. I sure did report your ad hominem response.
Way to defend your beliefs- seems you're so right that you're above telling people why- simply that they must follow your beliefs, or you will lynch 'em. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:39:21 AM | I say God bless Wal Mart and their low, low prices. My old Mr. Coffee finally died on me this weekend, so I went to Wal Mart for a replacement, expecting to pay around $20.
Try $7.99 That's right, folks...a brand-new high-quality Chinese coffee pot for $7.99! I was ecstatic. I can take the additional $12.01 I was planning on spending and donate it to the local orphanage, now.
Wal Mart - Do it for the children.  | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 11:25:28 AM | | Better have it tested for lead! Remember, you get what you pay for. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 11:45:42 AM |
People are whining about Wal-Mart because it's too big basically. I mean, the local Mom-and-Pop store pays about the same on average, usually doesn't include any benefits to speak of , cuts costs in the exact same way that Wal-Mart does , sells the exact same stuff but at a higher price, and usually provides less in the way of customer service, selection, and overall satisfaction otherwise. The difference, really, is that Wal-Mart is faceless and that makes it "bad".
The difference is far greater than just "faceless."
1. Local grocery stores do pay a livable wage in my neighborhood and include healthcare. Wal-Mart's "healthcare" primarly consists of folks lining up at the public health clinic and/or applying for medicare. We the taxpayers are the supporters of Wal-Mart's "healthcare."
2. Wal-Mart is so huge that it can buy at a cheaper cost and then sell at a cheaper price, that seems like a good thing until you realize that once the other little stores are driven out of business (if all we care about is the rock bottom price), Wal-Mart will be the one who decides what coffee pots we buy, what clothes we wear and what food we eat. I prefer to have a little say in the matter.
I have already voiced my opinion on Wal-Mart's horrible environmental practices in this thread so I don't think I need to repeat myself but I do agree with Damon's comments. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 1:18:17 PM | Thank-you, Neap.
I've spent a quarter of a century in the trucking business, and have been close enough to Wal-Mart's operations in that period of time to have gained an understanding of how their practices have a ripple-effect on more facets of the global economy than most average Joes can comprehend. I have seen them grow from the time that their southeastern distribution center was in Douglas, GA, and the next one going west from there was the original one in Bentonville, AR. There were few, if any Wal-marts west of Oklahoma City then, and just as few north and northeast of there, and there sure as hell weren't any in Mexico and Canada, or anywhere else in the world then that they are today.
I have personally pulled their loads from Bentonville to Douglas, and have two very good friends who I met at an old truckstop on US1 just south of the FL-GA line, when I was about 19 years old and had barely been driving a truck for a year. They are finally about to retire, and fortunately, are on the "old" plan, that Sam Walton instituted when respect for employees, and God and Country were principles to live by, and before capitalism and free enterprise finally ate it's way from the gut of this nation to become the ugly exterior malignancy that it is today.
I have lived my entire life in the southeast, and I'll be go to hell for some arrogant, ignorant fool to sit north of our national border and berate me for warning them what is headed their way.
Jiperly, you should appreciate that you have southern neighbors that think enough of you to warn you that you are in the path of a storm, the likes of which you haven't begun to imagine.
Wal-Mart is the Fourth Reich. An abominable curse to be kept outside the walls of your cities at all costs.
Thanks again, Neap, and everyone else who understands what Wal-Mart really is.
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Posted: 8/4/2008 1:48:12 PM | | I don't know if it's still the same company since Sam Walton and his son John, Vietnam veteran and Special Forces medic, died. I am sure there are some business practices that are making those two good men rotate in their sarcophagi... | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 2:00:05 PM | Whole different outfit, different attitude, different strategy, different outlook...
An unrecognizeable animal, now mutated from it's once gentle form. According to my old buddies Wolf and Nickel, the changes were becoming apparent shortly after Sam and his son passed on...
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Posted: 8/4/2008 8:43:49 PM | Damon and Neap have made excellent points here about the problems associated with Wal Mart.
Get the coffeepot tested for lead please. I don't want to see someone suffering because of yet another Chinese made product with lead and other poisons.
Wal Mart is a big promoter of outsourcing jobs to China and I will never forgive them for doing this!! | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 10:52:28 PM | >>>Jiperly, you should appreciate that you have southern neighbors that think enough of you to warn you that you are in the path of a storm, the likes of which you haven't begun to imagine.
Before you continue to make an ass of yourself, you DO know Canada has Walmarts, right? Theres about 7 or 8 in my city alone. A Quick check at Wiki shows that there are 294 stores nationwide, and 36 Supercenters- employing 70,000 Canadians. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 10:52:50 PM |
Minimum wage is not enough to live on. People that work there also do not get any kind of healthcare.
As someone else said, that's irrelevant. My question was why bash walmart for doing what a gazillion other businesses do? How many other places pay minimum wage and don't have health care? Hell, *I* don't have health insurance. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 11:54:38 PM | Okay, Jiperly... I know you're a wise old man, and think that I don't know diddly...
Go read a little more of my previous posting, and you'll know that I'm pretty well aware of Wal-Mart's ability to metastasize with rapidity, like rats humping feverishly in a dark dirty corner to continue to unleash their spawn in hopes of global domination.
How do you think Wal-Mart continues to grow? Do YOU like so many others, think someone is hired to sprinkle fairy-dust on the shelves so that the paper you wipe you butt(hopefully if you can't, your momma wipes it FOR you) with and the other things you consume in the course of your existence will just magically materialize over night?
Go find someone as "smart" as yourself to pick on. If you keep antagonizing stupid truck drivers(remember, been doin' this a looooong time and hauled lotsa Wal-Mart stuff, know where their stores and distribution centers are...)who have a collective experience with this particular company and an extensive knowledge of it evolution, you're only going to continue to prove what everyone already knows about you. At 23 years of age, I'm sure you have infinite wisdom.
According to your profile you use drugs at least 3 times a week. I'd say that probably makes you a professional pot-head, which is why you have nothing more to do than harass hardworking people while you sit home, your momma works, and pays the bill for the internet services to enable you to be a career loser.
Tell me, smart guy, have you ever heard the old adage about "Better to keep your mouth closed and let everyone think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"?
Now tell me, Junior, do you want to re-think that crock you wrote about ME making an ass of myself?
Get real, dude.
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Posted: 8/5/2008 12:52:24 PM | Thanks Designing - I can remember when Wal-Mart only sold American-made products - boy, that day is long gone!
My question was why bash walmart for doing what a gazillion other businesses do? How many other places pay minimum wage and don't have health care? Hell, *I* don't have health insurance.
It is logic like this that perpetuates the current national health care crisis. If we don't stand up and say enough, then we will have no one to blame but ourselves and our children will be the ones who pay. I do not think that linking health care to your employer is necessarily the best solution but it is the current system and another reason I will not shop at Wal-Mart.
Wal-Mart is getting rich BECAUSE they do not provide for their employees, BECAUSE they do not abide by good land management practices and BECAUSE they are driving all the smaller struggling businesses out of business. They are not a struggling business - they have no excuse for not caring for their employees except that they will make less profit - that is a sick commentary on our current society.
If you don't care about the environment or the other smaller businesses, you should at least care about the health care issue. I assume you pay taxes and if so, you are subsidizing Wal-Mart's health care plan with your own hard earned money. I think that is wrong and people should be mad as hell about it. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 1:35:51 PM |
If you don't care about the environment or the other smaller businesses, you should at least care about the health care issue. I assume you pay taxes and if so, you are subsidizing Wal-Mart's health care plan with your own hard earned money. I think that is wrong and people should be mad as hell about it.
I think Pisces' point was that we're also "subsidizing" the health care (non) plans of McDonalds, Wendy's, Arbys, KFC, Taco Bell, Batteries R Us, Toys R Us, K-mart, Gas n Go, etc etc on and on....IOW, every other employer out there who doesn't have health insurance, so why pick on just Wal Mart? Are you also boycotting all restaurants and gas stations, for example?
Hell, those gas stations aren't even selling American-made gasoline!  | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 2:02:35 PM | Holy sh1t! 11 pages of the "should we shop at WalMart or not" bullsh1t! LMAO
I have this debate with my daughter's boyfriend, who is a Union electrician and against their principles to shop at WalMart.
Here is what I find ironic!
He will go cash his paycheck there when the banks are closed. Never mind that they make $3.oo off of such.
He most certainly would use a WalMart gift card, if given one...or at least pass it on to someone else, as a gift!
He will eat my food, drink my beverages, and use my ass paper...that I have bought at WalMart!!
He returned a printer that he bought at a store that went out of business, and thought he was "pulling one over on WalMart!" Duh Oh! WalMart got credit for the freaking defective printer...and YOU spent the refund money on additional product!
Oh...and the biggest whammy of it all?? Their precious union who bans WalMart...had their lovely electrician trailers in the parking lot of the WalMart converting to a Super Center. Yep. They can contract their services to WalMart...that's ok!
Hypocrisy! If you don't like WalMart...then DON'T SHOP THERE. If you wanna do something about it...then get your duff off the computer and do something that will actually have an effect to the cause...cause posting about it on Plentyoffish is doing NADA.
WalMart has sh1tty clothes! It used to be, "Ew...this looks so K-Mart like!" Now it is, "Ew...this looks so WalMart like!" However...they have great prices and selection on all of the things I could possibly need or want for around my house...my personal hygiene, my prescription glasses, my pet food, my kitchen crap, my cleaning supplies, my ass paper! And all in one swift trip and check out experience! And this thread did absolutely nothing to deter me from continuing such...just as my future son in law did nothing to deter me from such! | |
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Posted: 8/5/2008 2:08:15 PM | Actually when Wally himself was alive he did try the "Buy America" philosophy. I worked for a major textile company and I myself did some marking research on Wally and the others looking at the labels to see where garments were made. Turns out the higher end stores had a higher percentage of imports than Wally. However that was in
80's and yes now almost all garments are imported any where you shop.
The laws of supply and demand do not have the mathmatical certainty as the laws of physics, but they arn't far off. Remeber we were the ones running around all over the world the last half century preaching "Free Trade" when we were the big kids on the block. What goes around comes around. Manufacturing always has and always will follow the lowest labor cost, just a fact of business. I now hear the next labor frontier
is Africa, which will make the Chineese prices look out of sight.
American Manufacturing is kind of like the Goose That Laid the Golden Egg. Between government intervention and labor Unions, we priced ourself out of the Market.
If you have a good job the prices will increase your standard of living. If you have a job
in an area associated with American Manufacturing, you might want to consider a career change.
Back on the subject, Wally in large or medium size city is not much of a problem, in a small town, it is certain death to local merchants. | |
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