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 CreepyOldMan

Joined: 1/6/2007
Msg: 126
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:24:04 AM
I have to shop at Wal-Mart, because I can't find a K-Mart anywhere.

Give me an alternative to Wal-Mart, and I'll take it into consideration.



I miss shopping at establishments like Woolworth, Woolco, Rink's, Montgomery Ward, JC Penney's, etc.
 gentlyplease

Joined: 12/3/2006
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:24:46 PM
I'm with a lot here...I have to save money somewhere to pay bills...they just raised our energy bills a lot more than they said they would...I also have OTHER bills...sometimes I have to buy lunchmeat and bread and soup...cheaper than a lot of stuff...I work two jobs right now, and I don't have someone supporting me, so I have to do it myself. So if you want to go and pay higher prices at the local quick trip, be my guest. Maybe you can help me with my next energy bill??
 livefire

Joined: 2/3/2007
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:44:32 PM
I for one do not like helmart at all, but I can't say that I never shop there. There are times(read maybe once every 6 weeks) that I must. Most of the time, I will just hit whatever store I need to on my way home from work. Is it more expensive? Yes, somewhat. And I will not buy my meat there, the helmart here has a lousy meat dept. not to mention the local meat market sells fresh, locally raised meat, and most of the time it is 10-15% cheaper than any of the 'marts'.

I know what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and I don't judge those that shop there. I would just ask that if there is another outlet for the items you need, give them an opportunity to gain your business(especially if their price is comparable).
 Whothehellknows

Joined: 7/23/2006
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Posted: 10/27/2007 7:02:38 AM
I realize the other day that one of the things that show my age is that I can actually remember when Walmart had clean stores, promotoed 'American Made,' treated their employees decent and actually gave good service.

The Walmart Sam Walton created and grew was a completely different organization that this trash they have now. He was about making money, but he also believe in service and a cerytain moral standards. The current CEO and Board could care less about anything but profit. They would stab their grandmother if they thought they could make an extra $.03.

Go into almost any Walmart now and you are greeted with a dirty, cluttered store full of cheap Chinese knockoffs and unhelpful employees.
 Jiperly

Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 10/27/2007 7:44:51 AM
I'm really suspicious of this topic.....

I mean, its 3 years old, and this is the first time someone didn't revive it around 420.....
 rockguy55

Joined: 6/1/2007
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Posted: 10/27/2007 3:56:12 PM
One problem with Wal-Mart is that they're everywhere,and in a mostly rural area like where I live there are a lot of iems that just wouldn't be available if not for the fact that any way I turn when I walk out my door,I'm literally facing in the direction of aWal-Mart store.While I hate their trade practices,their non union stance, the cultish way some say they brainwash their employees and even a lot of the cheap crap they sell,what are people in an area like this to do?
 Jiperly

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Posted: 10/28/2007 4:59:27 AM
>>>what are people in an area like this to do?

Don't shop there.

I'm conflicted on issues like these because I believe that if you legitimately do not like the store, you should not take your business there. At the same time, it seems alot of people use this anger towards Walmart to push an agenda- to get Walmart banned from this area or that- which I frankly completely disagree with. If I don't like a business, I and all my friends can not go there if we so choose- but just because you do not like a business does not mean you have a right to have it banned from your city

You don't like Walmart? Fine, don't shop there- But having it banned from your city is far more wrong than any stance Walmart could take.

I wish I could find the Penn and Teller Walmart video.....they express my stance far better than I could.
 kevinwestisland

Joined: 9/29/2007
Msg: 133
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:07:12 AM
I personally Love Walmart and Read several Business books on it
 Street23

Joined: 9/25/2007
Msg: 134
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:22:21 AM

what are people in an area like this to do?
DO what ya did before Wally World came there!!

 jeffythepooh

Joined: 12/10/2006
Msg: 135
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Posted: 10/28/2007 7:30:42 PM
Walmart does Sux And what is worse is the So Called AMERICANs that shop there. Many of which are the loudest whiners in areas such as "Kill The Islamo-facist" but these same "americans" show their true Patriotism to America with their dollars by not caring about American jobs, Families and people but have more concern for 10 cents in a dollar.

During WW2 Americans sacrificed many things with rationing etc. Any one that truly cares about America will pay the extra money for made in America products and LIVING WAGE companies.
 areulonleyto

Joined: 10/25/2007
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Posted: 10/29/2007 12:01:58 PM
One other thing about Wal-Mart. They are a committed money donor to La Raza, a pro-Illegal Immigrant organization. It's easy to verify.
 BLEEPTWO

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Posted: 12/16/2007 2:51:35 AM
? would anyone here like to give a cash donation to the Chinese military? Why not? After all a fair amount of the electronic and other devices are made by a company that is owned by the Chinese Military I am sure all you wally world customers know that Right. I am sure you are all good Americans and love china so that's why you buy there. Or is it the few cents you save? Maybe it is because after wal mart moved into your smaller community it forced the small town business owner out do to under cutting prices until competition was driven out of town or out of business. People you need to wake up and boycott wal mart. I bet Sam (may he rest in peace )rolls over in his grave when he sees how his company has exported American jobs to a communist country with a very repressive regime at the helm. Funny thing since China buys so much of our national debt that Mr. bush says very little about there human rights record. send a message folks BOYCOTT or not we are Americans and our military stands ready to defend our right to shop at wal mart defend our freedoms. But I for one spend less than 200 dollars a year at wal mart. I am thinking that is 200 a year to much.
 Gotapulse

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Posted: 12/16/2007 4:55:02 AM
It's simply capitalism at work. Wal-Mart doesn't suck any more than any other chain anybody would care to mention. There is NO difference except in ability.

Pick a department store chain. Research them. What you're going to see is that they do the exact same things as Wal-Mart does right up until they can't afford to go to the next level. Now pick some mom-and-pop store. If they're even considering expansion of any kind they're going to be doing exactly the same thing that Wal-Mart did at the same stage. It's capitalism. If you want a command economy then go ahead and find one but don't try to get one going in my country.

For those that claim to hate capitalism I suggest you research the alternatives. Better yet, why not research what capitalism has given us. Prior to the advent of guys like Adam Smith, everybody figured that there was a fixed amount of wealth in the world and that if we wanted more we were going to have to go out and fight for a bigger share of it. Turns out that you can actually create more wealth. That's what capitalism does. It generates more wealth. Simple. Well, the process isn't simple but the effect is. In any case, for any of this to make any difference in anybody's life , governments have to tax and redistribute said wealth. If you don't like multinationals hoarding their profits then get your government to tax them more. Don't blame the company for doing precisely what it is that most people strive to do : create more wealth for ourselves.

Now, when it comes to ethics , Wal-Mart is a mixed bag. In foreign countries where labour is cheap , it's a mistake to assume that Wal-Mart is exploiting people. It's not. The contract companies are. On the other hand (and more importantly) the people who end working for those companies have jobs. And even more importantly than that, those people with shitty jobs thanks to their company getting a contract with Wal-Mart are contributing on a national level and raising the general standard of living. Eventually, as their standard of living rises, their governments start introducing Western style social programs. It's a snowball effect until eventually the entire country is brought up to "developed nation" status. By that time, Wal-Mart has long since moved on but no matter where they go, they end up causing the same chain of events in the countries they do business with. To understand this, look at Japan and what it did for the Pacific Rim. Japan didn't get rich by selling oil, agricultural products , or any natural resource except innovation. They got the raw materials from one place, sent them to be turned into something in another place and made money on the transactions. It's no secret that places like Thailand and the Philippines saw the Japanese "exploitation" of their labour pool as a good thing. These countries aren't developed in the Western sense but they are infinitely further along than they were before Japan "exploited" them.

In the US and Canada, Wal-Mart strikes out for other reasons though. Because it can undercut virtually everybody else it has a monopoly waiting to be exploited no matter where it sets up. The flip side of this is that the bigger it gets and the more powerful it becomes, the more it oversteps its authority. It's kind of like an over-inflated ego in corporate terms.
Wal-Mart cannot exercise eminent domain. Don't blame them for that...blame your local politicians. People think that Wal-Mart created a market place by simply setting up somewhere. No. The area was already zoned for commercial use by your city and Wal-Mart simply provided the anchor that acted as an attraction for other businesses. If the market was there, the development would have proceeded whether Wal-Mart got on board or not. There is a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes to civic planning and the role Wal-Mart plays in it.

City planners know perfectly well how Wal-Mart works. It works the same way that K-Mart and JC Penney do. That's why they don't like to see Wal-Mart expand into otherwise stable neighbourhoods. They want Wal-Mart to go to new and expanding developments where they'll do less damage to the local businesses. If however, an area is in decline or an area is under-served by retail then Wal-Mart is prayed for. It's when Wal-Mart starts trying to dictate to planners what they should do to make Wal-Mart's job easier that we run into problems. In the bad old days nobody realized that allowing this behemoth into an area would kill the local businesses. Now they have to think about how much retail an area can support. Small towns that have stagnant populations are bad places for Wal-Mart to do business in. In fact, they are their own worst enemy. They kill off the other retail in the area and put their workers out of jobs. That means that Wal-Mart has less people to sell to. That means they don't need the extra staff. And so on. It's a snowball effect until the store ceases to be profitable. Then Wal-Mart picks up and moves away leaving the towns as empty shells.

Wal-Mart knows this and for reasons of self-interest has made more prudent investments when it comes to new store locations. As well, as more and more jurisdictions become "Wal-Mart savvy" , there are less and less places Wal-Mart is allowed to set up shop in. This is all actually a rather 'natural' process but the only reason people pay so much attention to Wal-Mart as opposed to say a Canadian Tire or a Home Depot is because Wal-Mart has such an expansive product offering and such a dominant lead in the retailing field.

The truth is that if you are willing to wait, the market will dictate how Wal-Mart operates. For them it's not about ethics so much as good business sense. It simply takes time for them to realize what went wrong and come up with solutions. Look at McDonald's and its competition to understand this process.

For those unwilling to wait , don't shop at Wal-Mart. Don't forget though, nobody else would act any differently in the business world. As well, what people in our society consider "exploitation" , people in other countries call opportunity. It sucks by our standards but it sets the stage for the next act.
 whisper67520

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Posted: 12/17/2007 11:16:25 AM
Yes, we usto have an Alco, a Gibsons, Duckwalls, Kmart and 5 full grocery stores in our town. Now we have one grocery chain and Walmart, with a Sams coming in this next year. Do we have much choice. Nope.....and as Walmart has eliminated their competition, their prices have risen, some are higher and their return policies have gotten much stricter. Most of their goods are imports and few made in America products. If given a choice, I would shop anywhere other than Walmart.
 Ihaveaname4you

Joined: 6/12/2005
Msg: 140
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Posted: 12/17/2007 11:43:17 AM
When I shop at Wal-Mart I only buy American and I bust up and wreck other products and put it back on the shlelves. I suggest you join me in my effort. I have a nationwide society growing that is doing just that.
 Silverwit

Joined: 12/14/2007
Msg: 141
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Posted: 12/17/2007 12:42:08 PM
I'm personally not a fan of the store and that is mainly because it reminds me of how Kmart used to be when i was a kid..sloppy assed and wreaking of stale pop corn and cotton candy. I'll only purchase items there if it is impossible to find the item somewhere else. Nuff said
 jed456

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Posted: 12/17/2007 12:57:33 PM
Just watch the documentary walmart the high cost of low price.
 MaxxRonin

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Posted: 12/17/2007 12:59:20 PM
The Wal Mart supercenters have 3 million people werking for them worldwide.
That does not include the regular wally marts or the Sam's Club.
The warehouses or D-centers or those market places that they have.
In a city like Brewer, Maine that has a supercenter can make between 5 and 8 million dollars
just in Jan. right about christmas.
Don't forget that at one point Wal Mart was just one store in the south around 50 years ago.
Sears was like what Wal Mart is.
Starbucks will what Wal Mart will become.
Why don't people hate Target ?
 AceOfSpace

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Posted: 12/17/2007 1:11:36 PM

Well I thought that Liberals were against right-to-work laws, having more than one political party and having different press outlets cover news from different perspectives. Communist China meets this trifecta so it should be a paradise over there.... shouldn't it???


Obviously, you don't know what a liberal is. You must be thinking that "liberal" is a synonym for "communist sympathizer." It's not.

I can't imagine which radio propagandist might have filled your head with distortions and lies like that.

A liberal is someone who believes that the government has an obligation to serve the people. (And not just the ones who make big campaign contributions.)

Wal-mart uses telecommunications technology to keep inventory costs down. They maintain a tight control over their entire supply chain that way. That is the technological advantage that allowed them to get a foothold and maintain their edge. They've since figured out how to use their purchasing power to make their suppliers take the discounts that allow them to charge low prices. They are tough to do business with and take advantage of everything they can to squeeze down prices while maintaining their own profits. That includes worker's wages and benefits. There was a story about them a while back and how many of their employees are making so little that they still require state-supported health care. Why should our tax dollars pay for health care for their employees?
 Ihaveaname4you

Joined: 6/12/2005
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Posted: 12/17/2007 2:51:28 PM
Maxxronin, people hate Wal-Mart becasue they are the most greedy company in the world and in biggest importer of goods in all of USA. Star-Bucks is an awesome comapny that treats its employees great. If only Wal-Mart could be like Star-Bucks then we would not hate them.
 cncgandolf

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Posted: 12/17/2007 3:50:49 PM
"They are tough to do business with and take advantage of everything they can to squeeze down prices while maintaining their own profits. That includes worker's wages and benefits. There was a story about them a while back and how many of their employees are making so little that they still require state-supported health care. Why should our tax dollars pay for health care for their employees?"

The bias in the story is the implication that WalMart's practice of keeping employees in a type of employment that allows them to not provide benefits is unusual. On the contrary, every business I currently know about (and my career causes me to know about many of their HR practices) is practicing the same policies - and especially all of retail. Check it out. Find out what Target and KMart and Home Depot and Loewes and Kohls and the others all do to avoid benefits packages. Start checking with people who work there to find out how many are kept at hours just barely short of qualifying. Heck, the whole grocery store strike in CA last time was to reduce the benefits packages for new employees.

I say this not because I agree with the cost-savings approach but because if we are going to get upset about it then we need to know how widespread the problem is. On the other hand, why is it the job of a company to provide benefits?
 white_knight32

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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:04:23 PM
Evil business practices??? You mean offering low prices so people who make under 30 grand a year or so can go someplace and get stuff at affordable prices??

What are these evil practices you are referring to. I was never a big Walmart fan, was indifferent really, but then when i working at a call center where i would taking email and calls from the Walmart.com website; they pulled the plug cause there wasnt enough calls, emails coming in to support work for 2 centers.

They were in essence paying my salary and we could have all be laid off, several hundred in fact, but Walmart payed out wages for like 4 months till a new project came to our center. That really impressed me, meant that knew we did a great job for them and they paid us back by keeping us employed.

After that experience, I will never say a bad word about Walmart. So if you have the money and want to patronize stores with obscene markups go right ahead, thats your right, but its my right to go find the lowest price.

Capitalism rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

White Knight
 designingwoman

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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:55:10 PM
Wal Mart is EVIL. Costco is a good, honorable company that treats its workers well and pays a living wage. Go Costco!!

The Made in China thing has me infuriated. We should NOT be supporting a Communist regime, and we also should be supporting our own workers here in the US.

Inexpensive never has to mean Wal Mart or Made in China. I buy my greeting cards at Family Dollar, and those cards are made in the USA. I buy other items over at Family Dollar that are also US-made, such as my sketch pad that I am using right now. The notebooks I used this semester came from Family Dollar as well, and were made in the USA. Dollar stores can be a good source of American-made items. Another dollar store I visited netted me some much needed sponges--that were also American-made. Check the labels, and leave the Chinese made items on the shelf!
 poly_p

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Posted: 12/18/2007 2:01:05 AM
I miss shopping at establishments like Woolworth, Woolco, Rink's, Montgomery Ward, JC Penney's, etc.


As do I. And the reason we can't shop there anymore: Wal-Mart closed them all down.

I don't know where a lot of you live, but here the Wal-Mart keeps a huge chunk of their staff on "part time" status, even if they give them 40 hours of work a week, because that way they don't have to pay them benefits. What kind of ethical business practice is that?
 Gotapulse

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Posted: 12/18/2007 2:26:46 AM
^It's the same ethics that apply to just about every other company in every other industry.
Meat packers, warehouses, grocery store chains, anything with a non-skilled staff basically. They ALL do it. And they have to to stay in the black. You can blame it all on Wal-Mart I guess but if anything they were just the best at it and got a good head start.

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people dislike Wal-Mart just because it's so dominant. It's not because people bother truly researching the practices of some of their other "favorite" companies. Sure, you can probably find companies that do things the way you like them to be done but for every one of them are ten that are as "evil" as Wal-Mart.
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