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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 3:31:40 AM |
I say this not because I agree with the cost-savings approach but because if we are going to get upset about it then we need to know how widespread the problem is. On the other hand, why is it the job of a company to provide benefits? Because people who forget that capitalism requires a foundation of equitable government would rather entrust their health care system to the hands of those whom they can't vote out than those they can.
If a liberal is someone who believes that it is the job of the government to maintain an infrastructure that is conducive to the business of all the people--including those whose business is their labor--then yes, I guess you could accuse me of being one. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 3:42:44 AM | | walmart economics are horrific...you may not realize it unless you live in small town america...i have seen whole towns of less than 60,ooo lose their entire economic base due to a walmart opening....you think it does not have any effect on your personal life until you walk down the street and half the houses are boarded up....unemployment rate has doubled....90% of your neighbors are on welfare....etc.etc..so keep on shopping there and pretend you are saving money | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 7:14:37 AM | >>>Wal Mart is EVIL. Costco is a good, honorable company that treats its workers well and pays a living wage. Go Costco!!...........Family Dollar....
And would it be safe to assume that Family Dollar does not offer their employees the same wages as Costco?
>>>I miss shopping at establishments like Woolworth, Woolco, Rink's, Montgomery Ward, JC Penney's, etc.
Didn't those companies overthrow local businesses as well with lower prices and superior products? Is it Walmart's fault for competiting, or JC Penny's fault for not meeting the goals of their consumers?
>>>...i have seen whole towns of less than 60,ooo lose their entire economic base due to a walmart opening....
And its Walmart, not the people who shop there, that destroyed those towns?
Wheres personal responsibility? If people really didn't want a Walmart, they could just ignore it and continue giving their business to local, smaller business's- where in this does Walmart destroy the town? Sounds like the towns residents destroyed their town on their own....
>>>....unemployment rate has doubled........90% of your neighbors are on welfare...
Care to prove that Walmart is directly the cause of that?
>>>so keep on shopping there and pretend you are saving money
You claim your city is in poverty because of Walmart- but since alot of the people in your town are (supposively) on Welfare, wouldn't they NEED those lowered prices? If a Grocery store opened across the way from Walmart and jacked up their prices to 3 times that of Walmart, are these people somehow perpetuating evil simply because they cannot afford to spend more money on food because *you* feel it is wrong to give Walmart business? | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 7:54:04 AM |
walmart economics are horrific...you may not realize it unless you live in small town america...i have seen whole towns of less than 60,ooo lose their entire economic base due to a walmart opening....you think it does not have any effect on your personal life until you walk down the street and half the houses are boarded up....unemployment rate has doubled....90% of your neighbors are on welfare....etc.etc..so keep on shopping there and pretend you are saving money
This doesn't make sense. One Wal-Mart, even two does not put an entire city out of business. By that logic then every city Wal-Mart has opened an outlet in would be bankrupt due to declining tax base. Well, those people have to be going somewhere and I have no doubt that there is a Wal-Mart wherever 'there' is too.
Wal-Mart does indeed have a negative impact on certain businesses. It does not however put entire cities on the dole. And what businesses does Wal-Mart tend to crush ? Any place that lacks both the convenience and price that Wal-Mart offers.
For example : Mr. Kakapakekuma has been operating his little hardware store for twenty years. Wal-Mart moves in next door. He simply can't compete and eventually he goes under even if he only loses half of his customers. OR he diversifies and hopes that there is a sufficient client base for him to sell to.
Another example : Wal-Mart moves in across the street from a K-Mart. This actually has the opposite effect on the surrounding businesses. Why , you might ask ? Because between their competition for your dollar and the prices that leave more cash in your pocket ,they attract that many more people to the area to shop. Smaller , specialty shops start to set up shop.
What Wal-Mart does is to move shopping districts from one area to another. Typically, older, more established but more expensive places within the "convenience zone" that Wal-Mart creates are destroyed. Some people lament their loss and others don't. What's a "convenience zone" some might wonder ? Well, to make is simple I'll use another example : You need a lawnmower. For two hundred bucks you can get one at Wal-Mart. Nevertheless, there's a Zellers that is closer and it sells the same product for two hundred and five dollars. Same warranty and guarantee. If you're the average consumer you don't bother with Wal-Mart over a measly five bucks. Now, if you have basically the same situation but instead of Zellers you have some small home and garden shop nearby the first thing you do is stop in there. You find the same product but without some of the guarantees and it costs sixty dollars more. The average consumer isn't buying it from the Mom-and-Pop place...they'll go the extra distance and get it at Wal-Mart.
The truth is that this is actually the market balancing itself out. All these Mom-and-Pop places have that nice sentimental aire about them but the truth is that they've been serving a captive market for your years anyway. It's sad is the effect that a Wal-Mart can have on local businesses but don't kid yourself, if they could have done it they would have. They'd have had to. People in the business world know this. It's sink or swim and it always has been.
Now, Wal-Mart can't always compete so let's not get too worked up about them running absolutely everybody out of business. They have no "luxury division". It's unlikely they'll ever wrestle the specialty business away from say, Starbucks. People associate Wal-Mart with cheap and practical merchandise. They're not interested in trying to sell you anything hand-crafted because it goes against the logic that made them so huge in the first place. They might call it hand-crafted but people already assume it's just a couple of words used to sell a product when Wal-Mart says them. If other chains can stay within about %5 of Wal-Mart's prices they have a chance of competing.
Besides, isn't this what people have been asking for for decades ? A one-stop shop with low prices. Well, now we've got it. If you don't want to shop at Wal-Mart that's fine but you'd probably better get used to the idea that quasi-monopolies are going to be selling you pretty much everything eventually. Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Starbucks, McDonald's...these are just the first wave of what I'm talking about. The simple fact is that all these places people think are somehow better are no different. And eventually it gets to a point where they stagnate and somebody else manages to shoe-horn themselves into the market. As I said in an earlier post, look at McDonald's. In a free market you can never truly monopolize. Somebody always builds a better mousetrap. Today it's Wal-Mart but tomorrow it'll be somebody else and everybody will be whining about how all their favorite Wal-Marts are closing down. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 9:44:03 AM |
The truth is that this is actually the market balancing itself out. Not exactly. Using this example is an example of oligopolies squashing the free market place, a competitive market place, into a marketplace with many buyers and few sellers. This leads to lower costs due to economies of scale but not necessarily lower prices because of market power. In some small towns they border on monpolistic market control after a few years.
It's sad is the effect that a Wal-Mart can have on local businesses but don't kid yourself, if they could have done it they would have. They'd have had to. People in the business world know this. It's sink or swim and it always has been. Aagin, i wouldn't be in total agreement with this thought when I think back to the small business owners in my hometwon that have long since gone under after the rise of the big box stores. The old owner of the local hardware store would not always be in it for pure bottom line profits. The local pet shop owner the same thing. If he could close up shop at 6 and have supper with his family and help his kids with their homework in the evening, that was a very valuable, yet intangible benefit to being a sole proprietor.
We see it it here in the city I live in now. The downtown core has become a shell of itself as the new stores come in demanding bylaw changes to stay open later and on Sundays etc etc. They help drive the sole proprietorship under. It reallocates the capital from the small business owners who have now closed up their shops, to putting the capitol into a large multinational chain.
As I said in an earlier post, look at McDonald's. In a free market you can never truly monopolize. Macdonalds is a poor analogy to use in this thread. It's an example of an opposite to what Walmart does. Wal Mart creates an oligopolistic market structure. MacDonalds, on the other hand, was more a good example of an offshoot of Vernon's Product Cycle. Macdonalds originally competed with the likes of Colonel Sanders and A&W. With the advent of the fast food marketplace, Harvey's, Burger King, Wendy's etc etc. and all these other garbage stores, erm, I mean fast food restaurants, created more of a competitive marketplace slicing into Ronald Macdonald's market share.. Innovation and price competition prevails when there are many sellers to go along with many buyers. Oligopolistic markets do not create competitive pricing. They create powerful companies that adversely affect markets both upstream and downstream as has been witnessed by Wal mart putting the boards to many long term suppliers.
Weyerhauser did this in the town of Dryden a number of years back. Bring a huge multinational in to take over the local mill. Bankruptcies galore as they refused for almost a year to buy wood from the local loggers until they brought the loggers to their knees with price demands.
Personally Wal Mart are d1cks to negotiate with. Some of our strongest land developers have basically told them to go pound salt up their arse on their proposed new store at the south end of the city. All for Wal Mart and none for the City is more their creed. Smaller north Ontario towns like New Liskeard, Timmins etc, were better off without these stores moving in. Small businesses that thrived for decades went under. Downtown cores lose their tax bases, and a sense of community is gone. For sure businesses come and businesses go. The losses in the community are sometimes not always easily measurable. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 7:17:23 PM | McDonald's and Burger King have a much smaller impact on community mom and pop businesses than Wal-Mart does. In my hometown, we have a BK, McD's and a Wendy's but we also have many thriving restaurants. The fast food places pretty much coexist within a community rather than destroying communities like Wal Mart does. McD's also complies with community standards as far as the appearance of their stores. For example on Long Island, there are certain architectural specifications that the restaurant must meet in various communities, and the presence of the McD's is accepted right along with the other local businesses. Wal Mart on the other hand is an eyesore and makes the community less beautiful rather than blending into the community landscape.
Also, many of the McD's facilities are beautiful and have nice landscaping, particularly one not far from me. The place is clean, has an attractive interior and beautiful plants and flowers around the property. That to me is much preferable than a big ugly concrete box like Wal Mart that does nothing to make the community look more attractive. My aunt commented that she read some articles about how McD's does what they can to be part of rather than destroying communities, and referred to that as "smart marketing." I agree with that assessment. Wouldn't you much rather have a little McD's with architecture that blends into the community and nice landscaping rather than a big, tacky, junky Wal-Mart? I know I would, and besides, the coffee's good!! | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 7:38:47 PM | >>>Wal Mart on the other hand is an eyesore and makes the community less beautiful rather than blending into the community landscape.
OMG! How dare they! They're EVIL!
>>>Also, many of the McD's facilities are beautiful and have nice landscaping, particularly one not far from me.
Lol- I can't help but notice alot of your argument is subjective. I'm sure I can find someone fairly easily that can state that they think a McDonald's is an eyesore- does that mean we should boycott Mickey D's?
>>>Wouldn't you much rather have a little McD's with architecture that blends into the community and nice landscaping rather than a big, tacky, junky Wal-Mart?
Considering often times Walmart's contain McDonald's within, plus many many other products and services at low prices?
Maybe theres more to this business thing than looking pretty..... | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/18/2007 9:58:36 PM | Designingwoman and Slysterling,
I can't but agree with you both on your points and your corrections. I was groping around really for examples due to time constraints and probably could have used better ones.
Nevertheless, in a way at least, my opinion that Wal-Mart is a quasi-Monopoly (or, if you prefer the term oligarchy I'll use it from now on) that is its own worst enemy is somewhat justified. People clearly have a problem with anybody wielding too much power. The bigger Wal-Mart gets the more it's resented. The backlash facilitates the entrance of new competitors.
Now, I do understand what you're saying. They crush the competition and create a market that won't allow for any upstarts. Naturally this is a bad thing. However , while it's true that the little guy suffered for having different priorities , that's really not anybody's concern but his/her own. If you're in business and you care to ensure its survival you have to stay on top of your competition. While it does give the place a more "homey" feel , it doesn't really do anything for the consumer. Ultimately, it's the consumer that should be the focus of any business owner's attention n'est pas ? What people fear is that Wal-Mart will actually get a complete monopoly and then...well, hold their merchandise for ransom essentially. But this is faulty logic because the minute Wal-Mart loses its edge, the free market throws in new competition. That's why I'm not afraid of Wal-Mart gaining complete dominance. It would be short lived if they got slack. There are of course other side-effects such as limited selection but again, wherever Wal-Mart doesn't go, somebody else will.
Ruthless ? Yeah, I'd say that Wal-Mart can be. Almost Orwellian even. Inherently evil ? Well, only if somebody actually believes that the other guys wouldn't do it if they could. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 2:26:44 AM | While a lot of the big chains are "evil" walmart ranks up there with the best of them a few facts
Over half of Wal-Mart workers fall through the company safety net:
Fewer than Half of Employees Covered. According to Wal-Mart's own website, "In January 2006, the number of associates covered by Wal-Mart health care insurance increased to 46%." [Walmartfacts.com] Coverage Lags Far Behind National Average. Nationally, 63 percent of workers in large firms (200 employees or more) receive their health benefits from their employer. More than 80 percent of Costco workers are covered by their company plan. [Employer Health Benefits 2006 Annual Survey, The Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust; New York Times, 10/24/05] Neither Affordable Nor Accessible. Wal-Mart provides health care options to their employees and families that have a deductible of $1,000 for individuals and $3,000 for families. Wal-Mart employees must endure long waits to qualify for benefits: six months for full-time employees and one year for part-time employees. [Wal-Mart 2006 Associate Benefits Book; Wal-Mart Press Release, 4/17/06]  | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 2:29:24 AM | Shifting Employees to Part-Time Status. A memo written by Susan Chambers, Wal-Mart Executive Vice President for Benefits, for the Wal-Mart Board of Directors, recommended: "Capture savings from current initiatives to improve labor productivity. These initiatives include reducing the number of labor hours per store, increasing the percentage of part-time Associates in stores, and increasing the number of hours per Associate." [Susan Chambers Memo to the Wal-Mart Board of Directors, http://walmartwatch.com/memo; New York Times, 10/26/05] Admitting to a Part-Time Strategy. "Wal-Mart executives have acknowledged that the retailer will also shift to a heavier reliance on part-time workers, who now account for roughly 20% of the work force, higher than the national average for retailers. A recent JP Morgan report said Wal-Mart plans to increase the ratio of its 1.2 million-member U.S. hourly work force on part-time schedules to 40% from 20%, meaning the hours of as many as 240,000 workers could be cut below 34 a week, the threshold to be considered full-time." [Wall Street Journal, 4/11/06] Phasing Full-Timers Out. Citigroup analyst Deborah Weinswig predicted that Wal-Mart's proportion of full-time workers is declining. In a 60-page research report, she predicted that "Wal-Mart will reduce its ratio of full-time workers to 60 percent over the next year or two, with the remaining 40 percent slated for part-time status. Wal-Mart's proportion of full-time U.S. workers -- which currently stands at about 75 percent -- could further fall to 50 percent in the future." [Associated Press, 5/3/06] CEO: 'Disagree? Then Leave.' In 2006, the New York Times reported that "in a confidential, internal Web site for Wal-Mart's managers, the company's chief executive, H. Lee Scott Jr., seemed to have a rare, unscripted moment when one manager asked him why 'the largest company on the planet cannot offer some type of medical retirement benefits?' Mr. Scott first argues that the cost of such benefits would leave Wal-Mart at a competitive disadvantage but then, clearly annoyed, he suggests that the store manager is disloyal and should consider quitting." [New York Times, 2/17/06]
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 5:01:23 AM | >>>Over half of Wal-Mart workers fall through the company safety net
And something tells me that the small businesses alot of people here are defending offer lower incomes and less health coverage, if any at all. So its not so much that its morally right to offer your employees medical care- its that you feel Walmart earns enough, and you should be free to dictate where and how they spend their money.
Not to mention your example depends entirely on your politics- if you feel that a business should be required by law to support their employees medical bills, then yes, through your perspective they could be considered evil- but not everyone feels that way.
You cannot justify that a business is legitimately evil because they do not embrace your political ideologies
>>>Coverage Lags Far Behind National Average. Nationally, 63 percent of workers in large firms (200 employees or more) receive their health benefits from their employer.
And what percentage of these Walmart Employees are part time workers versus this 63%?
>>>More than 80 percent of Costco workers are covered by their company plan
Once again, what percentage of Costco workers are part time workers versus Walmart?
>>> six months for full-time employees and one year for part-time employees.
One would imagine that Costco has a similar process- can you offer a link to Costco's medical plan please? | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 12:22:23 PM |
One would imagine that Costco has a similar process... It would appear that the opposite is true.
...not everyone is happy with Costco's business strategy. Some Wall Street analysts assert that Mr. Sinegal is overly generous not only to Costco's customers but to its workers as well. Costco's average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Sam's Club. And Costco's health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish.
Mr. Sinegal ... rejects Wall Street's assumption that to succeed in discount retailing, companies must pay poorly and skimp on benefits, or must ratchet up prices to meet Wall Street's profit demands.
Good wages and benefits are why Costco has extremely low rates of turnover and theft by employees, he said. And Costco's customers, who are more affluent than other warehouse store shoppers, stay loyal because they like that low prices do not come at the workers' expense. "This is not altruistic," he said. "This is good business."
Mr. Sinegal, whose father was a coal miner and steelworker, gave a simple explanation. "On Wall Street, they're in the business of making money between now and next Thursday," he said. "I don't say that with any bitterness, but we can't take that view. We want to build a company that will still be here 50 and 60 years from now."
IF shareholders mind Mr. Sinegal's philosophy, it is not obvious: Costco's stock price has risen more than 10 percent in the last 12 months, while Wal-Mart's has slipped 5 percent. Costco shares sell for almost 23 times expected earnings; at Wal-Mart the multiple is about 19.
...Emme Kozloff, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Company, faulted Mr. Sinegal as being too generous to employees, noting that when analysts complained that Costco's workers were paying just 4 percent toward their health costs, he raised that percentage only to 8 percent, when the retail average is 25 percent.
"He has been too benevolent," she said. "He's right that a happy employee is a productive long-term employee, but he could force employees to pick up a little more of the burden." Mr. Sinegal says he pays attention to analysts' advice because it enforces a healthy discipline, but he has largely shunned Wall Street pressure to be less generous to his workers.
...Mr. Sinegal's elbows can be sharp as well. As most suppliers well know, his gruff charm is not what lets him sell goods at rock-bottom prices - it's his fearsome toughness, which he rarely shows in public. He often warns suppliers not to offer other retailers lower prices than Costco gets. When a frozen-food supplier mistakenly sent Costco an invoice meant for Wal-Mart, he discovered that Wal-Mart was getting a better price. "We have not brought that supplier back," Mr. Sinegal said.
He has to be flinty, he said, because the competition is so fierce. "This is not the Little Sisters of the Poor," he said. "We have to be competitive in the toughest marketplace in the world against the biggest competitor in the world. We cannot afford to be timid."
...Costco also has not shut out unions, as some of its rivals have. The Teamsters union, for example, represents 14,000 of Costco's 113,000 employees. "They gave us the best agreement of any retailer in the country," said Rome Aloise, the union's chief negotiator with Costco. The contract guarantees employees at least 25 hours of work a week, he said, and requires that at least half of a store's workers be full time.
Workers seem enthusiastic. Beth Wagner, 36, used to manage a Rite Aid drugstore, where she made $24,000 a year and paid nearly $4,000 a year for health coverage. She quit five years ago to work at Costco, taking a cut in pay. She started at $10.50 an hour - $22,000 a year - but now makes $18 an hour as a receiving clerk. With annual bonuses, her income is about $40,000. "I want to retire here," she said. "I love it here." How Costco Became the Anti-Wal-Mart
http://tinyurl.com/yvl4h3 ------------------------
A 2000 survey by Towers Perrin, the consulting firm, found that the pay of chief executives, on average, was 531 times that of their lowest-paid rank-and-file workers. But Mr. Sinegal's salary is less than 10 times that earned by his company's top hourly employees and roughly double the salary of a Costco warehouse manager, he said.
...While Mr. Sinegal keeps a lid on his own pay, his company is known for providing salaries and health care benefits to lower-level workers that are higher than average for the industry. For example, Mr. Sinegal said, a forklift driver at the company typically makes more than $40,000 annually, after three years on the job. And Costco pays 92.5 percent of employees' health care costs.
''We just believe firmly that if you're taking care of your customers and taking care of your people, you're not too far off target,'' Mr. Sinegal said. ''The profits will come and you'll be successful.''
One measure of how this approach succeeds is found in the rate of theft by customers and employees at Costco stores -- what the retail industry charmingly calls shrinkage. Mr. Sinegal says such losses run under two-tenths of 1 percent at Costco each year. Other companies have 10 to 15 times that amount of theft... Executive Pay: A Special Report; Two Pay Packages, Two Different Galaxies http://tinyurl.com/26wylf Further information on Costco is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 12:39:13 PM | So Much for ‘Remaking’ Its Image: Wal-Mart Sues Brain-Damaged Worker by James Parks, Nov 21, 2007
Wal-Mart has spent millions trying to convince consumers that its critics are wrong about its anti-worker actions and that it is a good company that cares about its employees and the community. But the way the company has treated Deborah Shank shows the retail giant’s true colors.
The company, which earned $2.9 billion last quarter, sued a former employee who suffered permanent brain damage in a car accident to get back $470,000 it spent on her medical bills.
Here’s the story. The Wall Street Journal (subscription required) reported yesterday that Deborah Shank, 52, who stocked shelves in Wal-Mart’s store in Cape Girardieu, Mo., was broadsided by a tractor-trailer seven years ago, causing permanent brain damage. Unable to walk without help or communicate meaningfully with her family, she now lives in a nursing home.
Wal-Mart’s health insurance plan paid about $470,000 in medical expenses. But after the Shanks sued and settled with the trucking company, Wal-Mart sued the couple and demanded its money back, plus interest and legal fees—more than the $417,477 the settlement had placed in a special-needs Medicaid trust fund for Shank’s future health care expenses.
A federal judge ruled that Wal-Mart’s health care plan gave them first dibs on any money gained by an injured employee. Such provisions aren’t uncommon in health plans, and Wal-Mart isn’t the first to enforce one.
To add to the tragedy, shortly after the judge ruled against the Shanks, their son, Jeremy, was killed in Iraq. The Shanks have two other sons.
Deborah Shank, who receives Medicaid, is not the only Wal-Mart employee receiving public health care. More than 60 percent of Wal-Mart employees—600,000 people—are forced to get health insurance coverage from the government or through spouses’ plans or live without any health insurance. Last year, the AFL-CIO released a report showing how Wal-Mart shifts health care costs to consumers and a bunch of studies showing how Wal-Mart profits from taxpayers.
In the “it’s legal, but is it moral” category, Wal-Mart’s lawsuit shows its unrestrained greed. As the Los Angeles Times points out in an editorial today:
Doing what the law allows isn’t the same as doing the right thing, however. The company made itself whole at the expense of a helpless former employee who will never be whole again. Instead of having some resources to improve her care, Shank will receive only the basic services afforded her by Medicaid and Social Security. Nor will the trust fund be in a position to reimburse Medicaid (i.e., taxpayers), which stood to collect any unspent money upon Shank’s death.
Wal-Mart has spent the last few years working hard to rebut health care reformers, labor unions, anti-globalization groups and other critics who’ve argued that it puts profits ahead of humanity. While its advertising campaigns try to put a friendlier spin on the company, its behavior toward Shank tells a different story. If Wal-Mart can’t restrain itself, perhaps Congress should prevent health plans from draining settlements won by injured workers with more bills to pay.
Wal-Mart’s anti-worker actions could fill (and have filled) books.
Earlier this year, a New Jersey court ruled a class action suit could proceed on behalf of 80,000 current and former Wal-Mart employees who say they were forced to work off the clock.
Human Rights Watch issued a report showing how Wal-Mart systematically thwarts workers’ efforts to form unions. Recent reports also reveal how the retailers’ reliance on goods made by cheap labor in China threatens public safety and costs nearly 200,000 jobs.
Proof of the real Walmarts ideology regarding employees. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 12:40:34 PM | PBS: Store Wars:When Wal Mart Comes to Town: Business Practices
...the majority of its employees with children live below the poverty line. "Buy American" banners are prominently placed throughout its stores; however, the majority of its goods are made outside the U.S. and often in sweatshops. Critics believe that Wal-Mart opens stores to saturate the marketplace and clear out the competition, then closes the stores and leaves them sitting empty.
The sentiment behind Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton's promise of a "better life for all" belies questionable business practices - many that have been challenged by employees, unions, environmentalists, recording artists and human rights organizations...
...the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called "associates") is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.
Whereas Wal-Mart employees start at the same salary as unionized employees in similar lines of work, they make 25 percent less than their unionized counterparts after two years at the job. The rapid turnover - 70 percent of employees leave within the first year - is attributed to a lack of recognition and inadequate pay, according to a survey Wal-Mart conducted. Yet this can work to the company's advantage, since it is more difficult for unions to organize when there is constant employee turnover.
Full-time employees are eligible for benefits, but the health insurance package is so expensive (employees pay 35 percent - almost double the national average) that less than half opt to buy it. Another benefit for employees is the option to buy company stock at a discount. Wal-Mart matches 15 percent of the first $1800 in stocks purchased. Yet most workers can't afford to buy the stock. In fact, not one in 50 workers has amassed as much as $50,000 through the stock-ownership pension plan. Voting power for these stocks remains with Wal-Mart management...
Made in the U.S.A? Despite a well-publicized "Made in the U.S.A." campaign, 85 percent of the stores' items are made overseas, often in Third World sweatshops. In fact, only after Wal-Mart's "Buy American" ad campaign was in full swing did the company become the country's largest importer of Chinese goods in any industry. By taking its orders abroad, Wal-Mart has forced many U.S. manufacturers out of business.
The chain was broadly criticized for being the primary distributor of many goods attracting controversy, including Kathie Lee Gifford's clothing line, Disney's Haitian-made pajamas, child-produced clothing from Bangladesh and sweatshop-produced toys and sports gear from Asia. Difficult working conditions also exist in the United States: In 1991, labor inspectors found labels for Wal-Mart brands being made in Manhattan's Chinatown. There, 16 and 17 year-old Chinese immigrants without permits had been working for one month without being paid.
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/19/2007 4:40:05 PM |
Human Rights Watch issued a report showing how Wal-Mart systematically thwarts workers’ efforts to form unions.
Thats why they closed a store in Canada and used the excuse it was unprofitable even tho there was proof it was thriving...
Also, the reason their nasty meat is sold in the pre-packed packages and there is no actual meat market in the stores is a group in Texas or Oklahoma I think, who were meat cutters, voted in a union and Wal-Mart had to close the meat markets to advoid violating the union busting rules...
And a as a footnote, they don't pay local property taxes as they don't actually own the real estate where their stores are...
The have a seperate compant that owns the real estate and they pay them rent... | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 12/24/2007 4:01:13 AM | >>>It would appear that the opposite is true.
I see no mention that their healthcare plan applies to workers who have worked for them for less than 6 months(which was what I was referring to....you know....in that quote I put up....)
It looks awfully alot like spin when I say "Costco likely makes their employees wait 6 months to a year for their healthcare plan to apply" and you answer "the Opposite is true- they pay their employees more, and more of their employees are covered under it"- while thats a handy quote, it completely ignored what I said.... | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 4/2/2008 4:57:51 AM | Walmart pays really good wages too.
You got to be kidding since Mgrs salary is starting at 32 with expectation you will work at least 50 hours a week . Do the math the hourly wage ends up being about 13 bucks an hour. For this 32 k you also are the mgr of 17 other wal mart departments in stores all over the state.
Benefits that is even worse. suppose for example you pay the insurance as a part time person you get hit by an 18 wheeler you are left severely brain damaged. Your son goes off to Iraq he gets killed. but you are so brain damaged you ask every day about him in your barely understandable voice. Then you finally get a settlement from the trucking company of one million dollars and after fee's and lawyers you have 479,000 left. This money is supposed to last you the rest of your life to pay medical bills nursing care etc. but now wal mart wants to be reimbursed for the money they spent for 4 years on your care. therefore leaving you a broke brain dead woman who now has to have the US government pay for her care. OH and by the way folks a lot of the insurance companies have this clause in there contract.
Oh yeah any veterans out there well get this wal mart is now being sued by the feds for not giving returning veterans there jobs back. gee this sounds like a place I want to spend my money. I am not even going into detail about how the factories in China they are funding or the sweat shops the cloths are being made in. I here some people say wal mart has the freshest meats etc you got to be kidding it is proceeded in a plant a thousand miles from your home that meat is fresher than the local supermarket or butcher how do you figure that one. The animal is trucked several hundred miles stressed out (which does change the flavor) then slaughtered then processed and then shipped to you I do not think that makes it fresh | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 4/2/2008 5:24:17 PM | Costco food is FABULOUS. One of my classmates and I were talking about that this morning and she told me that she loves to go with her fiance and his dad to Costco because she loves the food there. I absolutely love the corn chowder with crabmeat. It is soooooo gooooood!!
I don't think I want to try eating meat from Wal Mart | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/20/2008 8:23:03 PM | b o y c o t
w a l * m a r t Poor SAM is rolling over in his grave seeing what has happened to his American company that used to pride itself on American goods. Oh for my Canadian friends this includes Canada. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/21/2008 5:02:45 AM | >>> Do the math the hourly wage ends up being about 13 bucks an hour.
Aren't their managers adults? Can't they see this when they agree to work there? Aren't they responsible for the decisions they make?
Why do you believe grown adults should be protected from their own decisions? | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/21/2008 5:23:14 AM | Aren't their managers adults? Can't they see this when they agree to work there? Aren't they responsible for the decisions they make?
Why do you believe grown adults should be protected from their own decisions?
Exactly. These idiots make it sound as if the people working at Wal-Mart have degrees and are highly educated. Stupid liberal mentality. If they don't like it, by all mean go do something about it. Wal-Mart isn't holding a gun to their heads FORCING them to work there. Their own complacency is and it's also an indication of their worth. If they're satisfied with their jobs they stay and if not, then they should go look for something better. If there aren't any better jobs in their education/skill level, then consider getting trained in a higher paying field. Really think about that because it's about time the entitlement mentality ceases and personal responsibility becomes the norm again. In fact, it's long overdue.
And as far as Chinese manufactured products being sold there, Target and other places sell items from China as well and the only reason why is because of cheap labor. The unions are what drove those jobs overseas and now we're reaping it. So in reality, buying products from other places is not hurting Wal-Mart or China. Just your wallet. | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/21/2008 7:35:03 AM | | There is a place in iowa, that the handicap work for. THat one time it paid its workers to do nothing but take labels off car parts that said Made In China. That was when the old man was still alive and wanted as much stuff made in usa as possible. NOw walmart doesn't care where the hell their product comes from. Just as long as they can sell it cheaper than anyone else. (My ex was a supervisor at this place) | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/21/2008 11:59:03 AM | | Why is it that the two companies the liberals hate most, WalMart and McDonalds, are responsible for creating more millionaires out of average folks than any other business entities in the world??? | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/22/2008 10:00:36 AM | | There new motto should be "We Always Pay Low Wages" | |
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| Wally-Mart SUX Posted: 7/22/2008 10:10:09 AM | Exactly. These idiots make it sound as if the people working at Wal-Mart have degrees and are highly educated. Stupid liberal mentality. If they don't like it, by all mean go do something about it. Wal-Mart isn't holding a gun to their heads FORCING them to work there. Their own complacency is and it's also an indication of their worth. If they're satisfied with their jobs they stay and if not, then they should go look for something better. If there aren't any better jobs in their education/skill level, then consider getting trained in a higher paying field. Really think about that because it's about time the entitlement mentality ceases and personal responsibility becomes the norm again. In fact, it's long overdue.
What if they like working there? Why should they leave? All they are asking for is to be treated fair and payed a fair wage. So you think people are not entitled to a wage that they can live on? Maybe someone needs to knock you off your high horse and bring you back to reality. | |
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