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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:04:07 PM | Comparing McD's to Wal Mart is like comparing apples to oranges. McD's coexists with other businesses in a community while Wal Mart kills mom and pop shops.
The people at Wal Mart are so badly paid that they CAN'T get a better job because they can't afford to go to school to better themselves. THat attitude about "entitlement mentality" is absurdly unrealistic. Wal Mart is so BAD that workers find that welfare PAYS MORE. To get people off welfare, you gotta make WORK PAY!! None of these cheap wages--Wal Mart wages drive people to go on welfare and isn't a motivator to get ahead in life!! The minimum wage should be a high enough living wage so that people can own a car and a home without worrying about making ends meet. This would motivate MORE people to work because work would pay far more than welfare. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:56:40 PM | This is not meant to be a knock against anyone who must shop at Walmart or chooses to shop at Walmart, but in all seriousness, a significant milestone in my life was when I finally started to make enough money that I didn't have to shop at Walmart anymore. In addition to the behind the scenes business tactics they are known to employ, I simply hate the shopping experience.
The stores (There are 4 superstores and 3 neighborhood markets in my city alone) are frequently dirty and disorganized. The quality of the merchandise is often marginal (clothing, appliances, furnishings, etc) and lives up to the "you get what you pay for" saying.
In my area, the stores often bring out the "unwashed masses". I hate to use that term, but it was an extremely common occurance for me to find myself stuck in an aisle behind an extremely overweight woman doing her worst to a pair of brightly colored stretch pants/leggings while 3 or 4 noisy kids were running around her ankles screaming, "Mommy, mommy, mommy!!) Or a family of 6 that never learned that if you need to stop in an aisle to look at something, it is common courtesy to move yourself and your cart over to one side. And there's always someone in there that makes a scene by spanking/disciplining their child in the middle of the crowd. I really got annoyed when they started playing Tejano music over the stores music system. Good Gawd!
In my mind, I couldn't get out of that place fast enough, and that was part of the problem (here goes...).
Why in the name of all that is holy do they always build these HUGE stores, install 32 checkout registers in them, and then only have 6 of them mannned during peak hours after work? On the weekends I think they managed to get 9 cashiers working. I don't know how many times I went in one of those places, took 20 minutes to gather a cart of groceries, then had to stand in line for 40 minutes to get out of the freakin' place!! When I would finally get home my icecream is melted and my Healthy Choice frozen dinners were halfway thawed and the boxes were all soggy. And I was seriously concerned over how warm any fresh meat had gotten. Mind you, this was years ago before the "self checkout" register tech came along. But those stupid things don't work well either. There always seems to be something that won't scan right and the warning message and flashing light go off. Then you have to wait for the person at the front of the store who is busy talking on their cell phone to notice you and come do an override.
No thanks brothers and sisters. I've found that if you pay attention to many of the chain grocers that they all seem to have groups of popular items and common staples that go on sale on a regular basis. I now do my Shopping at Tom Thumb and find I don't spend much more than I did at Wally World anyway. And I'm through the checkout within 5 minutes or less. Oh, and they don't stop me at the door to dig through my bags as though I'm some kind of criminal.
I also love Target. Higher quality merchandise and speedy checkout. And the clientel is much better and knows how to dress and behave in public. They also do a much better job of changing up their offerings on housewares, small appliances, and seasonal items.
I'll gladly pay 10% more to retain my sanity, have a pleasant shopping experience, and get home with my icecream intact. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 4:58:51 AM | >>>McD's coexists with other businesses in a community while Wal Mart kills mom and pop shops.
Nonsense- Walmart doesn't harm a single business. Its the consumers who cause harm, and only because they work for their own happiness and not the happiness of the collective.
I find it disgusting to find people blaming Walmart for giving consumers a chance to pay less for their own products- as if its Walmarts fault for giving people the opportunity, rather than the consumers fault for taking their business there. What is so hard about this concept? If people wanted to support Ma and Pa shops, then they would reguardless if there was or was not a Walmart.
You're not fighting a big bad corporation- you're fighting the concept of competition. You believe that people should have freedom from competition- that the government should protect them from their choices and the freedom to make them- and that's socialism. Stop playing games and represent your beliefs as they are, not as you wish us to see them.
>>>The people at Wal Mart are so badly paid that they CAN'T get a better job because they can't afford to go to school to better themselves.
And why then do I spend my taxes for student loans? For night schools?
It is entirely an entitlement mentality. The people you are talking about- the low wage earners, since Walmart hires everything from cashiers to pharmacists to mechanics- are working unskilled labor jobs. Why should they get paid a premium? Isn't that a handout- basically welfare at the cost of corporations rather than tax payers? My, what a solution! Rather than bleed out the government, lets bleed out the producers of the country. I'm not in support of welfare by any means- but switching the victim of the tax payers(at the butt of a gun) with the victim of the business(at the butt of a gun) is still just as wrong.
Moreso, why aren't you pushing for all businesses to pay this premium? Do Ma and Pa shops pay this premium? Why shouldn't they?
Oh, but Walmart is successful- so its okay to drain them and loot them of their success until they are no better than any other shop- once again, your beef is with the concept of competition, not the treatment of workers- otherwise, you'd be fighting for nationwide wage increases- you wouldn't scoff at the concept of comparing McDonalds to Walmart- McDonalds has numerous employees on minimum wage too.
>>> This would motivate MORE people to work because work would pay far more than welfare.
Wha?
How would it motivate people if everything they want is given to them before they leave high school? If I make 58 Grand a year as a cashier at Walmart, and 60 Grand a year as a mechanic, why would I pay the 10 grand it'd cost to become a mechanic?
The minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage, where you can afford 2 cars, a house, and 3 kids with- you're expected to earn that money- and the only way you can do that is by improving your skills, so that your employer values you more than anyone who walks in and hands in a resume.
I find this whole concept just pointless to even argue about- if you demand a single business pay more than any other business, you're punishing the business who succeed simply because of their ability to be successful, while supporting business who fail because of their own inability to compete. How is that a precedent to develop an ideal society on? Wouldn't that destroy all peoples desires to form businesses, and compete, since we all get the same standard? Why would anyone start a new business, if people intend to loot it the moment it because successful. Obviously then the only businesses that would succeed would be ones who fail.
Conversely, if you increase the minimum wage, the first people to suffer would be the people who cannot compete- the Ma and Pa shops you are so ready to defend.
So clearly, by increasing the minimum wage, you give the country to corporations in an attempt to punish corporations- meanwhile, if you punish the corporations, you create destruction, since all you're really doing is looting a successful business for being successful, in a vain attempt to save failing businesses from failing due to their own inability to compete. Keep the bad companies, destroy the successful ones.
Meddling does not work. You heart is in the right place, but this is a situation where you are to use your head. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:22:02 AM | What if they like working there? Why should they leave?
Do you see the fallacy in your logic here? If they like working there then obviously they're satisfied with the wages they earn. If not, then it's a pretty good guess they wouldn't like working there. What better motivation is there then to make changes in one's life to lead to a higher paying job. The catch is you got to work for it instead of expecting it to be handed to you.
So instead of whining about it like so many do here because they can't get dates, why not set out to make improvements. It always leads to bigger and better things in the long run. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:39:57 AM |
Wal Mart is so BAD that workers find that welfare PAYS MORE.
Yet they have no shortage of people working or wanting to work there.
Do they break out the whips and chains as well to make them do their jobs? You know, like slaves. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:25:11 AM | Do you see the fallacy in your logic here? If they like working there then obviously they're satisfied with the wages they earn. If not, then it's a pretty good guess they wouldn't like working there. What better motivation is there then to make changes in one's life to lead to a higher paying job. The catch is you got to work for it instead of expecting it to be handed to you.
No maybe they like the job enough to hope they can get a higher wage eventually. Why should they have to look for better jobs? What excuse does Wall Mart have for not paying there employee a higher wage. They sure are making enough money to. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:31:10 AM | It is entirely an entitlement mentality. The people you are talking about- the low wage earners, since Walmart hires everything from cashiers to pharmacists to mechanics- are working unskilled labor jobs. Why should they get paid a premium? Isn't that a handout- basically welfare at the cost of corporations rather than tax payers? My, what a solution! Rather than bleed out the government, lets bleed out the producers of the country. I'm not in support of welfare by any means- but switching the victim of the tax payers(at the butt of a gun) with the victim of the business(at the butt of a gun) is still just as wrong.
So what if they are unskilled jobs they have to be done by someone. Teens and college age kids go back to school in the Fall so they need people to work there. They should be payed a premimum because they are humans and deserve a decent paying job. So you think people are not entitled to have enough to live on? They are not asking for 30,000 dollars a year just enough to have food, housing.It is selfish people like you who are what wrong with the world who only look out and care for themselves. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:51:49 AM | Dreaming about people somehow developing a sense of social responsibility out of the blue is about like me hoping to wake up tomorrow with super powers.......what's the point ?
I would like to:
be 6'3"
rich (at least a couple mil)
be able to teleport myself anywhere at will
I think if we make everyone aware of my wishes....and I whine sufficiently about them....they will become reality....so come on guys.....just give it a try......for me ?
and here's one for ya.......how about a federal government that isn't absolutely moronic.....shows at least a clue that the rest of the world exists in more than caricatures.....shows the slightest interest in planning for the future.......
I just can't see how that would pay though to be honest......
Go Haliburton, I mean Wally world, I mean......well, you know what I mean...... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 7:34:33 PM | >>>No maybe they like the job enough to hope they can get a higher wage eventually.
Then they've diluted themselves. If I have a job that pays minimum wage, and absolutely refuse to make myself more valuable to the company from the day I stepped in the door, then why should I expect that I get a pay increase? For showing no intuitive? For bringing no additional value to the company at age 27 that I didn't bring at age 18?
For gods sakes, Walmart hires numerous different kinds of jobs- the only reason after many years that you are still in retail is your own fault- Walmart is not responsible for egging you on for bettering yourself.
>>>Why should they have to look for better jobs?
They don't have to- they can choose to or choose not to. They shouldn't demand greater treatment in the tone of the threat.
>>>What excuse does Wall Mart have for not paying there employee a higher wage. They sure are making enough money to.
And that's where it all comes down to, isn't it? This isn't about earning your worth- that'd require you to gain some skills. Instead, its about draining Walmarts worth- its about looting a business, and claiming its your right.
>>> They should be payed a premimum because they are humans and deserve a decent paying job.
Doesn't the word "deserve" imply entitlement? I ask once again- why only Walmart? Why don't you demand all business's pay their employees a 'decent' wage? I'm not certain in America, but in Canada, many of restaurant servers and bartenders make less than minimum wage- why aren't you expressing outrage out these exploited individuals? Or the people who work at Ma and Pa shops? These people have a greater chance of being paid less, and less people are being paid from these companies- why no outrage on behalf of them?
>>>So you think people are not entitled to have enough to live on?
If they did not have enough to live on, then they should find a better job, and then Walmart wouldn't have enough employees to run their business- and thus would have to raise their wages as an incentive.
Once again, we come back to the previously mentioned axiom- that these workers are grown adults- they, not you, Walmart, or the Government, are responsible for these peoples choices- if they choose to work at a job that will not pay them enough, and choose to continue to work there, then they, not you, or Walmart, or the Government, have to face the consquences of their choices.
>>>It is selfish people like you who are what wrong with the world who only look out and care for themselves.
Whats more selfish- expecting people to gain skills to make themselves invaluable for the company they work for, or expecting their company to shell out more money to their employees for no other reason than they exist? For jobs that you could train any unskilled laborer to do in half a day?
Moreso, whats the greater ideal- to work towards ones happiness, or to work against your own happiness by working for your employees? Which will ultimately lead to your own happiness- sacrificing your own joy for others, or accomplishing your own joy?
Moreso, whats more moral- forcing people to accept your morality, or allowing people to choose their own, even if it is selfish?
And, of course, we have to ask- where would all this money you're demanding the employees get come from? Should Walmart alienate their customers by raising prices, thereby encouraging them to go to another store? Or should they fire unnecessary employees, to make up that lost earnings? This isn't magic awesome fun time where money magically appears from nothing- if you start paying your employees more, that money has to come from something- to raise your prices because your employees demand more is nothing more than your employees looting a successful business for all its wealth- conversely, I cannot see how you could ever explain that firing employees is moral while in the same sentence complain about how desperately the existing employees need that wage | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 9:29:33 PM | I cannot believe any rational thinking person made this statement....
No maybe they like the job enough to hope they can get a higher wage eventually. Why should they have to look for better jobs? What excuse does Wall Mart have for not paying there employee a higher wage. They sure are making enough money to.
Or this one....
So what if they are unskilled jobs they have to be done by someone. Teens and college age kids go back to school in the Fall so they need people to work there. They should be payed a premimum because they are humans and deserve a decent paying job. So you think people are not entitled to have enough to live on? They are not asking for 30,000 dollars a year just enough to have food, housing.It is selfish people like you who are what wrong with the world who only look out and care for themselves.
But there I go again, assuming that everyone has a little common sense.
You get what you pay for.
If walmart only pays wages and benefits that a moron would work for, who do you think is going to take the job with the intention of making it a lifelong career?
The only thing an employer owes you is payment for the work you did.
You determine your own worth. If you think you are worth more, then prove it and you will make more money. But it probably won't be at walmart.
Ultimately, consumers determine the success of a business. I personally hate the whole walmart experience, so I don't shop there. But I am obviously in the minority here.
For anyone to assume that a company owes them anything other than what they WORKED for really pisses me off. I've worked for one company for most of my life. Started out at minimum wage, but am into six figures now. BECAUSE I WORKED HARD AND SHOWED THEM I WAS WORTH IT. Someone telling me I am selfish for keeping what I bled for is absolute ridiculousness.
Oh, and learn to spell. It looks better on a resume. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 9:46:14 PM | The stores (There are 4 superstores and 3 neighborhood markets in my city alone) are frequently dirty and disorganized. The quality of the merchandise is often marginal (clothing, appliances, furnishings, etc) and lives up to the "you get what you pay for" saying.
I own a little bit on stock in Walmart that I bought many years ago. When I bought it I liked the company, but now it is completely different than what Sam Walton started. The only Walmarts I have seen in the last 10 years that are clean and organized are new. All the ones that have been open for more than a few months are cluttered, dirty and staffed with people whom could not care less about their jobs.
In my area, the stores often bring out the "unwashed masses". I hate to use that term, but it was an extremely common occurance for me to find myself stuck in an aisle behind an extremely overweight woman doing her worst to a pair of brightly colored stretch pants/leggings while 3 or 4 noisy kids were running around her ankles screaming, "Mommy, mommy, mommy!!) Or a family of 6 that never learned that if you need to stop in an aisle to look at something, it is common courtesy to move yourself and your cart over to one side.
I find myself going to Target more and more because of this. I am so cheap I will make a nickel scream, but I would rather spend a few dollars extra and have a decent experience than suffer (yes, suffer) though going to the normal Walmart hassles. Target is not all that, but they do keep their stores clean and their clientele generally seems to have graduated high school. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:53:15 PM | McD's coexists with other businesses in a community while Wal Mart kills mom and pop shops Nonsense- Walmart doesn't harm a single business. Its the consumers who cause harm, and only because they work for their own happiness and not the happiness of the collective
Exactly ... consumers shop competitively for their own happiness and not for the happiness of society as a whole. When the mom and pop shops can offer the same prices as Wally World, then I'll give them the business. For now, Wal-Mart prices works for me. It's the nature of business competition. Why should I pay a premium simply to support mom and pop  ... unless they can offer something Wal-Mart can't??
Costco can pick up the slack after Wal Mart goes out of business
Costco??? Pay for the privilege of shopping there?? Not a chance.
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Posted: 7/24/2008 10:57:14 PM | | I agree that Target is a better company and the kind of company that deserves our business. I just would love to see the American people wake up to what Wal Mart is really all about, and deprive them of business so that good companies like Target, Sears and Costco can pick up the slack after Wal Mart goes out of business (yes, I can dream of a world without Wal Mart--it would be a much better one indeed!!) | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 4:16:46 AM | | One of the ways to realy show your age is when you can say stuff like... "I remember when Walmart proudly sold American made goods!" or "I remember when their service was great!" | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:32:35 AM | I worked for wal mart I loved it ( past )
2002 my oldes son died, wal mart took care of me and my other 2 sons . they payed the funeral and everything we needed . yes they where good to me .
but the walton jr , died and wally world went dwon the drain ,
wal mart treats their workers like sh..t
and for they work they sure aint payed enough ....
but ... I still shop there lol. call that oximoron | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:36:05 AM | | The fact is that you are working a job and adding value to the company. They could look for a job but a lot of them would not pay much better. How are Wall Mart employees going to improve there skills? They only way to really make money is to be a manager and there can only be a certain amount of managers. You say this jobs take no skill but if that is true then why does the company have to train there employees? Your idea that the person is the only one responsible is laughable. This kind of idea is why people in Africa are starving because people only care about themselves. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 10:54:25 AM | Walmart is not a local entity for me, as a matter of fact if you wanted to go to a town that had both a Walmart AND a McDonald's in the same zip code you would have to either travel 130 miles to Williston North Dakota or go international and go to Regina SK which is approximately the same distance. Groceries in this very small town in NE Montana are outrageous. How about over $5 for a gallon of vitamin D whole milk.
So if I happen to be going to either of these two places I am dammed sure going to stop in and buy groceries. But gas being what it is here ($4.29 for regular) it negates the savings you would make in the cheap food. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 11:06:48 AM | UNFORTUNALY , WAL MART IS RUNNING ON TO MANY CHIEFS , and not enough idians .
but use your brains , its the little guys that keep the company running , without them there would be no wal mart .
but it is so hard for a worker to do his/her job when the chief tells you not to ....
you go from dep managers to managers to ass. managers to store managers . and you as the employee are the last light in the pole ....
wal mart has some great people working for them but they unable to do a good job because walmart prevents them from it .... you have to know about wal mart to understand whats going on there ....
and im not saying that because I dont work there nomore .
for example , when i worked there we had a great front end manager . we worked out butts of , we had happy customers, some we knew by name , it was clean good moods and everything , but the devil had help there . this front end manager became ill had to quit working , wal mart assigned a new front end manager , who had no people skills , who did not care and who came to work when she wanted , if you need her you found her in the smoke room or out side smoking ... and as an end result , the front end went down , she did not like the way things work we had to do it her way and it was suck ....
customers complained , but i quaraty you none of the complaints made it to AK... why /// because 1 of the managers along the line prevented that .... I hope you see what Im trying to say here ...
wal mart is not what is was anymore , Mr sam was the man and stuff like that would have never happened ,
people that work there , do the best they allowed to do , its sad but true | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 11:29:01 AM | Let's take this a piece at a time...
They could look for a job but a lot of them would not pay much better.
Not much better is still better. As long as you are stepping up instead of down, it's an improvement.
How are Wall Mart employees going to improve there skills?
The same way everyone else does. Educate yourself. You are obviously on the internet. There are a plethora of sources of information. It doesn't take a degree to learn.
You say this jobs take no skill but if that is true then why does the company have to train there employees?
Indoctrinate would be a better word.
Your idea that the person is the only one responsible is laughable. This kind of idea is why people in Africa are starving because people only care about themselves.
This one is so ridiculous I don't know where to start. Comparing your situation at walmart to Africa is preposterous.
One of Africa's biggest problems is lack of education, which leads to lots of other problems. Obviously, it's a big problem here too. From the elementary all the way up.
I live in the United States...where you have the right to the PURSUIT of happiness. No one owes you squat. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 12:41:17 PM | | I never said that it is the same thing as in Africa I said the same ideals are here that everyone should be selfish and only look out for themselves and how the world is going this is not working out to well. Educate yourself really you do know that not everyone has money to go to college and even if they do once they get out there is not sure thing that a job in the field will be there. Wall Mart is not going to go broke if they pay there employee more money. The only ones who object to this is the CEO who do not want to lose money from there million dollar salary. So what other reason do you have that they should not pay there employee more. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 12:45:34 PM | You know these days is hard to find a job and people are proud if they are able to work , it may not pay much but its a job , its a glimps of freedom ,
workers get up every morning , no matter how shootty the pay , and go to work , some of them are good some of them are not , but on the bottom line , they are happy to be working ... and now , that is something to be proud of ....
a lot of wal mart worker are not on wellfare , they try to make it on there own , and they take pride in doing so ,....
there are a lot of factors about wal mart . some good most of them suck ,,,, but if you do your job, and keep your schedule you pretty much dont have to worry about not working tomorrow , or being fired ..... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 1:24:58 PM | >>> I never said that it is the same thing as in Africa I said the same ideals are here that everyone should be selfish and only look out for themselves and how the world is going this is not working out to well.
Funny- dirsup doesn't sound like he's selfish- he wants decent products at a good price- he's looking out for his own well being- and yet, according to your standards, by supporting Walmart, he is selfish.
Wanting food, clothing, and pills at a lower price- how selfish of him!
What I find most appalling is you aren't requesting for sacrifice- you're demanding it. That is utterly horrible, and completely immoral- that if someone who worked hard and achieved something, they owe their money to those who did not. Worship mediocrity while damning exceptionalism. Give to those who built nothing by tearing down what others built. Not only that, but you believe it is your right to force this belief onto others! My, what a grand ideal to build a society on!
Do you not feel shame for feeling pity? That disgusting feeling you have when you experience it- its not your love of your brother, but the disgust within yourself that you would look at another human being and pronounce such judgment upon a man- that they have no value, and have absolutely no respect for that person- since clearly they need money without earning it- and you DARE to demand we must all feel absolutely no shred of respect for this any and all persons, and call it a virtue.
All people are responsible for their choices and their lives. That doesn't mean the job they turn to when their plans fail must hold responsibility if things don't work out- they should earn it, like the people that came before them, rather than loot the business that had the immorality to give them employment.
>>>Educate yourself really you do know that not everyone has money to go to college
Ever hear of student loans? My taxes pay for them. Hell, if they want to rise from within Walmart, chances are they'd foot the bill.
>>>and even if they do once they get out there is not sure thing that a job in the field will be there.
Is this societies fault? Should I get a mechanics wage despite the fact that I don't work as a mechanic? I got a sister who graduated college to be a marine doctor of sorts- now she works at a photo section of a drug store- does she demand hand outs?
>>>The only ones who object to this is the CEO who do not want to lose money from there million dollar salary.
Really? Seems like there's alot of Walmart CEO's on this particular thread, then. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:18:20 PM | So you think Wall Mart workers do not work hard? Right you are obviously a troll wtih
nothing better to do then argue. Asking for more money is not looting the company if they
add value to the company. No it is not society fault but it society responsibly to make sure that everyone is able to have food to eat and a place to stay. It is caused human deceny but you do not know what this word means. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:31:52 PM | | My son-in-law has been putting frozen food on the shelves at WalMart for 13 years, he is of modest intelligence but he owns an STV (my name for a Chevy truck-somewhat trucklike vehicle) and pays child support for his two brats and half the rent on the house I own they are living in. I guess he makes somewhere between $13-14 an hour and (hopefully this stopped when he married my daughter) had plenty of female co-workers to have illicit casual sex with. I guess not a bad deal for him... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2008 4:10:35 PM | IM so proud of the wallmart grop/asda i quit my job making aeroplanes and took a manager role at one of these stores they truly are amazing in every way, it is not by chance they are successful , a lot of people work very hard to ensure a top service and a low price is recieved and it is very offencive to see on here such coment where people obviously havent done they're home work before critisising 'any one can pick fault ' its a personal choice where ever a person wishes to shop we just try our hardest and i mean our hardest (i work 75 hour weeks) trying to find the best ways to improve go foward and help an d serve our customers and it can be hard work i would hope the some appreciate how hard we all work trying to give the best service we as HUMAN BEINGS can, occasional we may get things wrong 'no one is perfect, but the poit is we have worked and earn't our placement as a major suppermarket, we even finacaly support and incorage small familly buisnesses often giving donations to charity and important deserving causes that would be worse off with out us, as for the slave labour/china issue we are achaully a FAIR TRADE ORGANISATION...... do your home work a lot has changed in recent years.,,,, some just like to moan, thats you paraogative, ours is just to offer the best service we are able at affordable living costs, if you want the beverly hilton the please use the beverly hilton beverly hills ca , we may not be platnuim of diamond or soild gold but we are REAL about evey day living costs many thanks for you time and custom, i value all you oppinions but please respect mine also im VERY PROUD to be part of this incredible group. | |
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