| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:23:02 PM |
There are many illegal aliens from all over the world crossing into this country undocumented.
So true and millions of them use the Mexican border to enter the US. I think that's a good place to start tightening the reins a bit on the inflow of illegal immigrants... | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:33:37 PM | It was a silly and simplistic comment by Arnold. And given the number of latinos in California, he will pay for it.
If we had a magic machine that could put a wall up on the border and automatically deport every illegal alien in the country overnight...would we push the button that does it?
You would destroy your economy if you did.
Supermarkets wouldnt' have any fruit or vegetables. It would rot on the vines. The wine industry in California would die. Wineries would go belly up. Most restaurants would probalby close or go belly up. Farms would go out of business. You wouldn't find any meat in your supermarkets because the slaughterhouses would curtail production. The price of the food in stores and restaurants would go through the roof.
Commercial rents and hotel rates would go up to pay for new cleaning staffs.
And since our economy is fueled by the housing market and not the production of well paying jobs, how are we going to afford all this? And what's going to happen to the price of construction when all those aliens are gone?
On top of that, the federal government would lose up to $50 billion per year that's paid in payroll tax on bad or wrong social security numbers by illegals who have to get a phoney SS card in order to receive employment.
The states would also lose the sales tax paid by aliens.
Yes we'd save in other areas...but if we could do it overnight, we'd risk serious collapse in our economy. So I don't believe we would do it.
There would have to be some middle ground that would allow aliens to come in and work the undesireable jobs without the fear of deportation and exploitation.
Without the fear of deportation, in the end, you'd wind up paying more for alien work than you are now. The "illegal" status is more of a boon to the American economy than a threat. With a fear of deportation aliens tolerate lower wages and inhospitable conditions that they wouldn't have to under a real labor sharing program.
So the governators statement is simplistic and not a solution. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:40:45 PM |
It was a silly and simplistic comment by Arnold. And given the number of latinos in California, he will pay for it.
He's actually quite outspoken on the issue, this isn't the first time.
'The governor has talked before about the need to ensure that immigrants are put on a path toward fully participating in California's economy,' spokeswoman Margita Thompson said. 'But he feels they need to enter the country the right way, and must not undermine important security issues. He feels that the border needs to be secure.'
The issue is an important one for Schwarzenegger who is governor of a state with a large illegal immigrant problem.
'This is a very important debate,' Arnold added. 'I think it's necessary that we solve the problems rather than try to run the other way. It's a hot issue.'
Just this past February, Schwarzenegger said he favored the building of a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the nation.
While it is highly ironic that one of the most prominent immigrants in the United States is so strongly against illegal immigration, this is certainly far from the last time that Schwarzenegger and other American politicians will address this important issue. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:51:20 PM | Yes, but despite is comment on the need to solve the issue, he will do nothing on the issue but talk. Comments like 'close the border' don't help.
He's tight with the Chamber of Commerce appointing members to numerous important posts. Despite his pretending to be anti-Special Interest, he's raised millions of dollars from big business.
If he actually followed through on his comment, it would hurt his big business friends the most. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:55:50 PM |
So our Social Security Card and drivers license and birth cirtificate aren't enough?
Oh I think they are, let me find that Bill I was talking about. It had to do with revamping the Social Security card to portray one's citizenship status with a picture ID and possibly some other criteria. Employers would be responsible for swiping this card when they hired a new employee.
I'm probably getting some of this wrong but I'll post the details shortly... | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 12:57:34 PM | If you travel a lot (which I realise is a crazy idea to some people. Especially the ones
who don't even leave thier city, let alone go to another state), I think a National
Photo ID for Driving and Identification is a great idea. If its simply for ID, then its lame.
I think having different driving laws and IDs per state is silly... are the only country that does that?
They could put finger prints or photos on Soc. Security cards... that could be a good idea.
But do fingerprints change with age? I guess they could add a photo and have people renew
it every couple years.... | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 1:12:57 PM | Why don't they just put an explosive chip in our backsides and then they can blow us up when they need too... Okay, maybe a bit Orwellian
But I don't like national ID cards just like I don't like social security numbers. When social security issued the numbers, Americans were told that the numbers would never be used for identification. Now there used for everything. If they give us ID cards, how long do you think it will be before the have us scan at the airport, at toll stations, at whereever. Gov't will be able to track our movements better than ever before. I don't want Gov't to have this power -- it's not that I don't trust our government, it's just that I don't trust our government. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 1:20:29 PM | Here is the actual Bill;
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.231:
Here is a bit more surrounding it as well;
The McCollum bill, combined with legislation last year that established a pilot computerized worker registry system -- the 1-800-BIG-BROTHER hotline -- would put in place the entire infrastructure of a de facto national ID card system. McCollum says that his bill would require only a photograph -- no fingerprints, retina scans or other biometric identifiers. But other proponents ask: why not?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has suggested a Social Security card with "a magnetic strip on which the bearer's unique voice, retina pattern, or fingerprint is digitally encoded." One of the computer registry pilot projects calls for a "machine-readable card" to authenticate the citizenship of the job applicant. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 1:23:43 PM | Why don't they just put an explosive chip in our backsides and then they can blow us up when they need too
I personally volunteer to do that for you Kadmus...
but only if I get the remote.  | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 1:27:26 PM | Suddenly, "you have to lick it before you stick it" just popped into my head...  
But seriously, I know it would be more efficient to have the cards. But I still don't like it. One of the things I love about this country is that if I want to fall off the face of the earth, hike accross the country, live in my tent, whatever, Govern't doesn't have to know about it. I'm must more comfortable with the patriot act, which has very little effect on my life, than I am with a national id card. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/20/2005 7:23:03 PM | When I was in West Virginia last year for four months they always tried to swipe my Colorado License to buy beer. When I refused some would ask why. What business is it of the government where and when I buy beer? I look my age. Given the need for improved security I believe a national ID of sorts for TRAVEL and CERTAIN PURCHASES could prove helpful. But like Kadmus I find it all far too Orwellian for me. Why isn't there a law to prohibit companies from selling Social Security Numbers, Credit Info, etc.? And yes, do push for reform abroad. The best way to do that is to hold unethical businesses and poorly functioning government bodies here and abroad accountable in the here and now.
We need to deal with illegal immigration. Our borders are insecure. But our economy must roll on. Frrosty mentioned a Catch 22. Couldn't we just be more vigilant in screening those that come to do what has to be done but what most of us are unwilling too? When Citizens take up arms because their leadership lets them down, whatever the root motivation, we have a serious problem. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/21/2005 7:46:22 AM | justin: the way jobs are leaving the country, the working class might soon become the "renter" class like in Ireland of the 1800's... Who's going to be able to pay the 30 year mortgages of the high paying jobs get outsourced?
Good chance many US citizens will be farming their OWN food in time... | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/21/2005 8:45:41 AM | First of all the root of the problem is not simply closing and opening the borders. (I do think it does need to be managed much better than it has been. The root of the problem has nothing to do with the government. Not the American governement, but rather the Mexican government. It's too corrupt. Much money provided to the Mexican people does not go to the Mexican people. Unfortunately it gets stuck somewhere between the National Treasury and the Mexican Assembly's pockets. There are very few watchdog groups. Members of the watchdog groups that are available are paid off to keep their mouths shut and receive punishment if they do speak about the corruption of the government.
The Mexican people know this, but the American people do not. So that's why many come to seek a better life in the states. Many jump the border and pay their families down there, not because there's more money to be provided up here, but the services are run more smoothly as well. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/21/2005 10:28:47 AM |
justin: the way jobs are leaving the country, the working class might soon become the "renter" class like in Ireland of the 1800's... Who's going to be able to pay the 30 year mortgages of the high paying jobs get outsourced?
Home ownership is at an all time high in this country. Guess we'll all be renters next year. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/21/2005 10:41:12 AM | ^^^^ Well from all the homes for sale around here, most have
been on the market for 6 months or more, then the sold sign goes
up and then a week later its back on for sale I'd say something
is afoot in the Realty Market. I can't believe all those people are
trying to sell to get a bigger house. Not with the job market the
way it is in this state... probably attempting to get a cheaper place
before having to resort to renting again.
Actually, my Aunt is a Realtor. She has had to get another job
because houses aren't selling so shes not getting enough income
from it anymore.
*Shannon - the happy ex-home owner turned Renter  * | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 4/21/2005 3:44:46 PM | | They aren't going to close the border. The immigration of all foreigners should be limited. I am againest many of the governments actions, but have no power whatsoever to do anything about anything. So I don't give a rat's ass what they do. But we will lose our sovereignty, have to cater more to Mexico, the U.N. and the WTO. Personally, I think it's all a disaster, and we can't do a thing about it. I don't like the idea of National ID cards. What's the Soc. Sec. number all about? We are watched by Big Brother already with those. There will likely pass amnesty for illegals, and either we have to start a revolution, or capitulate. The Americans have no stomach for revolution. Thus the current U. S. citizens will have to get used to lower standards of living, face loss of more jobs to cheaper labor, and see only ONE industry surviving for now. The service industry,,all things are about service, whether it's from China, or wherever, and the U.S. has sold out most of it's industrial superiority long ago. Now things are purposely made to be obsolete in just a short time. Cars don't last as long without repairs. Computers contantly are on the blink. Cell phones are bad news, and have bad connections. Too many menus on the phone have caused a set back in efficiency, and getting a real person on the line. The computer world has destroyed The Paperwork Reduction Act, and more useless printouts are spewed into the work place more all the time. People who want new cars, new TV's, new computers, new computer-generated problems will see a lot of huge messes over the next few decades. Many personal accounts will be lost. People will not be able to afford high cost insurance,,etc, etc, etc. WE are going down. And there is not a thing we can do about it with a President and party who WANT all this mess. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 3:13:00 PM | | It's coming to a head now.... students in Dallas walked to show their stand for immigrants freedom to take over (I mean move up). They don't even know what it's all about... | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 6:59:42 PM |
Why are you just targeting & stereotyping Hispanics?
He's not he is targeting the easiest crossing site in the US for illegal imigrants terrorists, drugs and smuggling. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 7:22:03 PM | | Closing the boarder to Canada would be nice, I'm so bored of the amount of guns and gangsters coming up, let along the 19-21 drinkers getting out of order. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 7:43:37 PM | | Move the US out of Texas and California and give it back to the Mexicans. What would they have? It would still be Mexico. They would still have the problems they have in Mexico. It wouldn't be the US. Duh! | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 8:19:23 PM | Close the border now.We need to do whatever it takes to stop the flood of illegals invading this country.Militarise the Mexican Border.Put up fences do whatever it takes.
The belief that some people have about our economy being destroyed is compleatly false.At worst you will end up paying more for produce.Also people who want to do the kind of jobs illegals are now doing can come in through legal channels.That will provide labor and most importantly give those people a much better chance of moving into higher paying jobs and a better life that path to citizenship can provide. | |
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| Close the Mexican Border says the Governator!
Posted: 3/27/2006 8:28:03 PM |
mexicans are just claiming back what was theirs in the not distant past...texas, california...they have a right to be there.
Californai belonge dot mexico less than 40 years same with Texas. The peopel of both revolted and later joined the USA of their own free will. | |
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