| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:45:48 PM | atheist .... saytheist... there is no such thing as ... any form of "truth" as to any form of religion... or idealogy it is all "man made" as for reading this .. that is also formed thru a process of someone else teaching you a language already formed by a process from other humans.... it is the creative mind that is evolved... I could speak to you in my language but would it be ignorance for me to communicate that way or insolence because you don't understand?
Sexuality as it pertains to infidelity is a choice ... and although this site is pervasively rampant with this choice it also says alot about people who knowingly choose to subject there molecules to .. the possibility of death .. self preservation is intelligence as people who knowingly choose a lifestyle conducive are likely doing so on an internal level of which we have not yet even begun to understand.. (another form of communication ) ... to base your needs on longevity of species as in needing "more" is existentially ... intelligent... which is what it is ... irrespective of religion which is man made and .. any other ....wordacious soup you read... either written or "chimp-plied" .
As for animals .. that indeed we are and it is the stupidity of or species denigning this I find .. sad.... we need to understand our connectivity ... "the grand unification of our species or we will perish as many many species are now doing at .. excelerating speed.
As for fidelity it is like all of what we do on this planet ... "a choice". My issue with infidelity is when a supposedly intelligent individual makes a choice to .. enter a contract that they plan on never fulfilling .. but ignorance of the raw is the excuse and in your own molecular housing the first person you "lay to" is your own atoms.. as molecules never ever lie.... that is our truth... and the only belief .. I know to be real. .... except of course Jerry "eye-rish" Springer ... | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:58:33 PM | | and ... another thing .. men or women who act completely on impulse control without any ability to analyze their behaviour or consequence are not even mature .. let alone .. something worth playing slinky and slot games with anywho's... cept Johnny Deep............. he can have impulse pulsations with my molecules anytime .. three times on humped ... daze... geesh this site really shows yah .. the strong-smellin...smelt .. from the week.. eh.... ? | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:42:10 PM | usroberts, you seem to be under the unbelievably mistaken impression that only Christians (or other monotheistic religious types) are the only ones with ethics and morals. Is that actually what you think?
Religion is not the only source of morals and ethics. Why would you even think that? That doesn't even make any sense. | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:59:18 PM |
usroberts, you seem to be under the unbelievably mistaken impression that only Christians (or other monotheistic religious types) are the only ones with ethics and morals. Is that actually what you think?
Religion is not the only source of morals and ethics. Why would you even think that? That doesn't even make any sense.
He hasn't been posting in awhile so I don't think he'll answer, but I get where he was coming from. It's hard to explain. But I think what he was asking is if there is no higher power and no higher power to answer to and if we don't have a soul, if we are merely biological impulses, why not go with them? If love is nothing more than a biological means for the continuation of the species why stay faithful or why enter a monogamous relationship? The love you feel is merely an illusion and merely comes from a chemical soup and nothing more. If one views life in a Spiritual sense of having a Higher Self which answers to a Higher Being than one can view Love as being something more than just a chemical feeling in the brain. If one doesn't believe in a God or a Soul or a Higher Self, what's the point in viewing love as being anything more than sex? Why not just have a hedonistic lifestyle if there is nothing more than this one life and our biological impulses? | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:23:21 PM | We're only as faithful as our options.
People who say they don't cheat are full of shit.
Everyone has a price. | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:27:54 PM |
We're only as faithful as our options.
People who say they don't cheat are full of shit.
Everyone has a price.
If you literally mean everyone, then that's just a cop out and a rationalization for your own standards. | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:31:45 PM | It depends on what kind of evolution you are talking about.
The one of the body or the one of the mind? | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:48:20 PM |
Does the fear of being cheated on bother you or do you stand by the 'ignorance is bliss' motto.
No fear. But whatever failings I have are mine. I don't justify them by saying that everybody's the same. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:36:42 AM | | Alright, the OP seems to think just because someone isn't superstitious, that they are more inclined to cheat or have multiple lovers. I'm an atheist and I don't have a spirit lying inside me, waiting to float off to a fictitious world, surrounded by angels and a creator. Knowing this, why would I want to add drama to a very short life by cheating on someone that I care about? Since I have only one life, I sure as Hell don't want to make it any harder by perhaps encountering an irate husband of the lady I was banging or catching an STD of some kind, just because men are inclined to have more than one mate. Now if you believe you have a "soul", why even worry about anything since this life is merely a resting stop, a place where eventually your immortal spirit will fly away to Paradise? Evolution does not happen by chance but you would know that if you actually read up on it a bit. I know, those books can be a bit of a bore... | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:13:30 AM | I suppose men are wired to sleep with as many women as possible. You only have to look at our sexual anatomy to see that it is indeed geared to producing as much sperm as possible (100's of millions a day... although the average count is starting to dwindle...) and our testosterone driven sex drive which compels us to place that sperm into as many women as possible.
But biology aside, I think there are more pressing factors as to why people... Not just men, women too, cheat.
However, I don't think men are wired to cheat by default. | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:24:23 AM | Well, the only thing I can say is " women cheat to" Since I've expereince this in my
life several times. I, think there is something missing but from both sides also.
Someone is looking for something better on the other side really. Love, well
if there were any love there men and women wouldn't cheat. Problems well lets call them issues everybody has them . So, my feeling is a real failure on both parties
to communicte and discuss the issues. Anyway thats my thoughts are. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:39:14 AM | I heard once that women learned to find a more intelligent man to be the provider and then went to the stronger man to have healthier children with.
Well this is one of those evolution theorys. Kind of scary isn't it.
Far as im concerned today people cheat because either they don't care what they do, couldn't resist, are not getting what they need out of the relationship, someone got under their guard lured them into it and did it better than their current partner, and lastly the relationship became stale.
I guess theres not much you can do about the people who don't care or ended up enjoying it better with someone else.
Other than that it's a problem with intimacy, communication and empathy.
Also it's an issue of not working to keep the relationship fresh and new for both people. That means that for a man or woman they both have to start working on whats lacking in the relationship to stop it from happening.
If it does happen theres not much you can do a natural part of life.
It's certainly does not make it right for a person to cheat. The only time that cheating can be considered okay is if it was mutually agreed by both partners that they could go with other people. Even then if the person no longer respects their partner anymore after the going with another person starts. Then the relationship should just end.
What im saying here is I've heard of mutually agreed cheating with other people.
Some people enjoy this I guess. I think it's fine if both the wife and husband still desire one another and attend to each others needs. I've heard of situations where a spouse agrees to it and then the other person no longer desires them, keeps them for the intellectual side of a relationship but begins giving the sex only to the other person.
When this happens then it's better to end a relationship. Since it goes from being with another person now and then to just using and taking advantage of the spouse.
Thats my view on all of it. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:54:57 AM | "Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 4/26/2008 6:03:58 PM
If there isn't a God that doesn't mean that evolution and biology hasn't created the feeling of love and the notions of faithfulness and cheating etc. If there is no God why not cheat? Because if you look at it as cheating and it makes you feel bad on a personal level then you're going against your nature and whether your nature comes from God, a soul, or evolution, it doesn't matter, why do things which make you feel bad in the long run"
The no religion takes away a need for rules, ethics and morals is not a mature arguement in my mind. Having no God means humans are even more responsible for their own evolution, way of thinking and are up to it themselves to improve their behaviour.
If anything it gives me more reason as to why people shouldn't cheat and should learn to value comittment to one another. If it creates a species where people are more emphatic and respect each others feelings a lot more then it would be a good thing.
That said it also gives more freedom of flexibility. After all people can divorce, people can wed partners that are fine with them seeing other people, etc.
So it's all good we retain our flexibility and become more determined to do things in a way that respects everyones feelings. Also people can have sex before marriage which at least dosen't put constraints on those that might feel they can't wait that long and would end up having sex in secret anyways. That would just teach people to be dishonest about sex and probably would make people learn to cheat as well.
That said I agree with you on the fact that people shouldn't feel bad by their natural inclinations. It's just like human sexuality people shouldn't feel bad about their needs and theres nothing wrong in wanting them to be fufilled. At the same time I still think theres moral and ethical rules on how to go about it.
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Posted: 4/27/2008 11:37:49 AM | Hmmmm, interesting concept I suppose, never thought of it in this way...Although I do believe in a higher power for me it's more of a moral and respect factor along with honesty and loyalty. I for one have never cheated on anyone and respected the commitment I've made in the relarionship no matter how bad things did get.
I know plenty who do believe in God and have done and continue to do their share of cheating, so I'm not quite sure if a Religion is a factor or not when it comes to such decisions...who knows!
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Posted: 4/27/2008 12:31:48 PM | If anything it gives me more reason as to why people shouldn't cheat and should learn to value comittment to one another. If it creates a species where people are more emphatic and respect each others feelings a lot more then it would be a good thing.
From an evolutionary standpoint that only has value if creating a species where people are more emphatic and respectful means an increased survival rate. If cheating, lying, disrespecting others, means a higher survival rate or increased chances that our genes get passed on, then biologically speaking that's all that matters.
If there isn't a God that doesn't mean that evolution and biology hasn't created the feeling of love and the notions of faithfulness and cheating etc. If there is no God why not cheat? Because if you look at it as cheating and it makes you feel bad on a personal level then you're going against your nature and whether your nature comes from God, a soul, or evolution, it doesn't matter, why do things which make you feel bad in the long run" The no religion takes away a need for rules, ethics and morals is not a mature arguement in my mind. Having no God means humans are even more responsible for their own evolution, way of thinking and are up to it themselves to improve their behaviour.
That's not what I was saying in that quote at all. I was saying that it doesn't matter where one's morals come from. Whether one's morals comes from a belief in God, a Higher Self, or a chemical soup within our brains, why go against it if going against it will make us unhappy in the long run? I was saying we should stick to our morals whether or not we believe in God or not. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:23:18 PM | so what if men are wired to cheat. men are also wired to run and jump and kill and generally behave like cavemen. Men have however experienced a few thousand years of civilisation and brain growth. So a modern man might choose to cheat, but he doesn't have to cheat. Saying that men will do if they can get away with it because of the biological imperiative to procreate is nonsense if those cheating men use condoms or are snipped. The men who do cheat do so because they want sex with someone else, but don't accuse all men of been cheaters.
And masehunt, don't accuse all men of having a price or we could turn that back on you and say, how much money would it take to bribe a poor student like you into bed with another man.
it gets a bit annoying all the arrogant****eads on these forums who insist on answering for everyone.
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Posted: 6/28/2008 5:40:41 PM | | I don't like it but I would have to say that from an evolutionary standpoint - men are inclined to cheat to spread their genes to as many women as possible. It is human constructs like monogamy and marriage that try to keep people faithful but as we all know, is less than ideal. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 6:11:59 PM | Both species are wired to cheat!
Males to spread thier sperm and thier genes. Females to colect better sperm and a variety of sperm. In both cases theres a risk with monogamy. In the males case if he only breeds with a single sickly female she may die before she raises his genes to independence and to breeding age.
If the female coulates with a single male, with faulty sperm then ALL her offsprng will carrry that fault and none of them will survive to carry on HER genes to the next generation. | |
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| Are men wired to cheat?
Posted: 6/29/2008 7:12:56 PM | I wouldn't say that men are wired to cheat,
are men in any way wired to get married?
A recent poll here in Iceland revealed that 24% of women have cheated, not sure how that compares to the ratio of males who cheat. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:20:42 PM | You know it! Whoohooo! Party!
the giggleparts - Sarcasm, it's why the internet exists... that and for porn... mostly porn. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:33:40 PM |
To you atheists that believe we are animals, you believe life happend by chance but you think its wrong to cheat. How do you come up with this logic? If you believe in evoulution then it wired us to cheat!
I'm not sure how you came up with THAT logic. Evolution also gave us a brain to use. On an evolutionary time scale, it's too soon to tell if intelligence is good for long term survival of a species. If intelligence causes humans to act in a way contrary to what is best for perpetuating humans, humans will disappear. I'm not really certain why you think cheating is necessarily the best strategy for survival. If being faithful is a condition a man must accept in order to produce offspring from a female with superior genes, then it would be a disadvantage to cheat in order to produce offspring from females with inferior genes and risk being barred from producing further offspring from a superior mate.
Since who has the best genes (or which genes are important to the species) is not easy to determine for humans whose survival is dependent upon a lot more than who can kill the biggest bear, I'm not sure you could expect things to be much different than they are - i.e., lots of competing criteria for what constitutes a good choice for a mate. Some men cheat, some don't. Perhaps the ones who cheat do so because they see the opportunity (in the evolutionary sense) to produce offspring which are genetically superior to the ones he's produced with his mate.
Evolution doesn't imply that EVERY new species is better equipped for survival than the one from which it arose. Some mutations are random. It states that only those species which are better equipped for survival will survive long term. The ones which aren't will die out.
If we die and rot and are souless and not judged what is the point of staying loyal to one person?
I'm sure you can think of more reasons than I gave if you aren't determined to make a case against evolution. Your concept of evolution is a caricature of the theory. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:44:55 PM |
He hasn't been posting in awhile so I don't think he'll answer, but I get where he was coming from. It's hard to explain. But I think what he was asking is if there is no higher power and no higher power to answer to and if we don't have a soul, if we are merely biological impulses, why not go with them?
Because thinking is also a biological impulse. The ability to think further into the future means humans can evaluate the consequences of impulses against their long term survival. Whether or not intelligence is beneficial for long term survival is not very clear, but if it isn't, humans will not survive any longer than their intelligence allows. You can't consider only a subset of human biology if you want to understand humans. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:48:36 PM |
From an evolutionary standpoint that only has value if creating a species where people are more emphatic and respectful means an increased survival rate. If cheating, lying, disrespecting others, means a higher survival rate or increased chances that our genes get passed on, then biologically speaking that's all that matters.
That is absolutely true, but no one has shown that the development of ethics (and in turn, the intelligence to create a system of ethics) has been detrimental to survival. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 3:31:54 PM | | wow this r men wired to cheat is gettin hot..I do not think men are wired to cheat or a woman at that..I feel that if you r in a relationship an ya'all have a good understanding of eachothers wants an needs, that will help this crazy cheating thing...One thing is do not keep track of your mate 24/7 have trust...talk...GIVE eachother space...make it so they want to come back to you...Do not spend your days/nite wondering what your mate is doing when he r she is hangin out with the guys or girls...let them have what they had before you started dating that is the FRIENDS..I feel y ppl cheat is because you try an change eachother when you stat to date..REMEMBER.. you fell for your mate the way he was when you first got together..so trying to change the person you fell for in the 1st place is just silly...An then you get mad an say you are not the person I met..well hell no you wanted me to change.....so love the person as he or she is an let them be the person they have always been...or the one you fell for.... | |
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