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arri
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 8:09:09 AM | Yup. Right on schedule. Additional threats of trials for the detained Royal Navy personnel. And the US says 'no' to a hostage swap. The UN has also told the UK and Iran to settle the dispute through diplomatic channels, after a prolonged discussion and vote removed the possibility of the Security Council taking a hand in matters.
US rejects Iran captives exchange US officials have ruled out a deal to exchange 15 Royal Navy personnel captured in the Gulf for five Iranians seized by American forces in Iraq. State department spokesman Sean McCormack rejected suggestions that a swap could be made.
The five, believed to be members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, were seized in January in the Iraqi city of Irbil. Britain denies Iran's claims that the UK crew was in its waters when seized on 23 March. The five Iranians were captured in a raid along with equipment which the Americans say shows clear Iranian links to networks supplying Iraqi insurgents with technology and weapons.
US officials have condemned Iran's actions and publicly supported the UK. Mr McCormack said: "The international community is not going to stand for the Iranian government trying to use this issue to distract the rest of the world from the situation in which Iran finds itself vis-a-vis its nuclear programme."
Meanwhile, Iran's ambassador to Russia has said the UK captives could face trial for violating international law. "It is possible that the British soldiers who entered into Iranian waters will go on trial for taking this illegal action," Gholamreza Ansari told Russian television channel Vesti-24, according to Iran's IRNA news agency.
Earlier, Prime Minister Tony Blair condemned Iran for "parading" the UK crew on television in a way which would only "enhance people's sense of disgust".
A third letter, allegedly from LS Turney, was released on Friday in which she said she had been "sacrificed" to UK and US government policy.
UK VERSION OF EVENTS 1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters 2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters 3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters 4 After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters
The BBC has been able to confirm the names of six of the 15 captured sailors and marines. Along with LS Turney and Nathan Summers, who is from Cornwall, they are Paul Barton from Southport, Danny Masterton from Ayrshire, Joe Tindall from south London and Adam Sperry from Leicester.
European Union foreign ministers, meeting in Bremen, Germany, called for "the immediate and unconditional release" of the sailors and expressed "unconditional support" for Britain's position. UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett described the latest footage as "quite appalling" and "blatant propaganda". She also disclosed there was nothing in a formal letter from the Iranians to the UK that suggested they were looking for a solution to "this difficult situation". ================================================ IRANIAN VERSION OF EVENTS 1 Royal Navy crew stray 0.5km inside Iranian waters 2 Iran gives set of co-ordinates to back up their claims 3 According to seized GPS equipment, the Royal Navy crew had previously entered Iranian waters at several other points 4 Iran informs Britain of the position where the crew were seized, inside Iranian waters
UK VERSION OF EVENTS 1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters 2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters 3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters 4 After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters ===================================================
BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood said last year US President Bush gave a secret order that Iranian agents believed working in Iraq should be captured or killed because of the coalition's belief that Iran was "fermenting trouble in Iraq".
He said it meant there was a "compelling theory" that the UK sailors were captured as a result of an order "from the highest levels of Iranian government" which would make it a "very different game" for the Foreign Office to sort out.
Earlier, the UN Security Council called on Tehran to allow the UK access to the personnel and urges an "early resolution", including release of the crew, but stopped short of "deploring" Iran's action, as requested by the UK.
I think we need to find out what has happened in subsequent military investigations of the 5 Iranians captured by the US, and the reasons for a stalled return of them. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 11:03:12 AM | arri:
They were kidnapped, seized .. whatever you want to call it ... but defection without their families?
If you guys buy that, the middle east is going to buy the trespassing story that Iran is pumping out of their Arab Language propaganda TV station.
From what I understand, the High Ranking Iranian RG that went missing (defected) in Turkey had TWO Wives and the "One Wife" he had "Children with" is "Also went Missing" along with the "Children" a couple days later.. So, this would lead any logical thinker to assume he went missing with his "Family"..eh? I mean, WHO gets Kidnapped and their Family is allowed to join them Later? hmmm?
The five that the US Captured "In Iraq" have ZERO to do with the Brits the Iranians Kidnapped in "Iraqi Waters" tending to Iraqi Buisiness.. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 11:25:25 AM |
Nah, someone else already pointed out the obvious: tit for tat, our hostages for theirs.
Us and theirs ?
It's the UK not US people in there, the last thing that is needed is the US using this as opportunity to antagonise the situation for its own political desires. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 11:38:28 AM | The UK is in Iraq at the behest of the US, as an allied force, reacting to shared intelligence (WMDs, linked islamic theocracy insurgency/terrorism to Lebanon/Syria/Iran).
The US has hostages that Iran wants freed, without explanation of what they were doing in Iraq (with or without insurgent military supplies).
The UK Royal Navy presented a long awaited opportunity to take reciprocal hostages and also force the UK into public apology for 'border incursions', past and present. Iran hopes to drive a wedge between the UK and US, because they know full well that the US will not give up the Iranian detainees.
The middle game begins. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 11:53:41 AM | | ^ the Iranian government is so shrewd lol....they are proving to be even more shrewd that the US and the UK | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 12:03:53 PM | arri~
suppositions aside, we can all try to speculate as to the intentions of both parties, however, these in the end, are simply suppositions.
the iranians have done this before, ie: the iran hostage crisis. according to many sources, and a former iranian president for that matter (chicago suntimes, april 1, 2007), ahmadinejad was among those students who seized and held american hostages for 444 days. this was also noted by bowden in his book ("guests of the ayatollah") on the subject as well. Ahmadinejad has been identified by several of the former hostages themselves.
it should be noted that whether or not the brits were at fault (personally, i do not think they are), the iranians have certainly not acted within international law by any means. these hostages are being held at an undisclosed location, and have been denied consular access. they have also been paraded in front of tv cameras, which is not compliant with the geneva convention's statment that "pows" be kept from "public curiousity."
Timothy Garton Ash : ..."Fifteen europeans were kidnapped from iraqi territorial waters by iranian revolutionary guards...those 14 european men and one european woman have been held at an undisclosed location for nearly a week, interrogated, denied consular access, but shown on iranian television, with one of them making a 'confession,' clearly under duress..." (sun times 4/1, 7B.)
now i am sure that some of you will shoot back saying something along the lines of, "...well...the americans are in violation of international law..unilateral attack on iraq...etc" that is an arbitrary point considering that these were brits that were seized and not americans, and a completely different topic altogether...so lets stick to this specific topic and not veer off on some tangential debate about the war itself... the war debate is on another thread somewhere i am sure...
i was curious as to why so many of you rush to assume that the iranians are in the right and so knee jerk to assert that the brits are in the wrong, a bit of good 'ol occidentalism perhaps? i also wonder, and i asked this in a previous post, if any of you feel that the iranian government would be in the right to place the 15 british soldiers on trial for espionage, and have them executed if found guilty?
FYI: Former Iranian Deputy Defense Minister Ali Reza Asgari has defected to Turkey . ... with his family... it is speculated that he may be talking ... (wall street journal, march 30, A15.)
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 12:23:48 PM |
the Iranian government is so shrewd lol....they are proving to be even more shrewd that the US and the UK
Actually, it is spelled "Screwed" with a "c".. and "ed", being that they are Surrounded on all sides by the Coalition Forces.. No Place to Run from Ole "Texas Bushy Boy"..
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 12:45:37 PM | Actually, it is spelled "Screwed" with a "c".. and "ed", being that they are Surrounded on all sides by the Coalition Forces.. No Place to Run from Ole "Texas Bushy Boy"..
One correction on yours....ummm......Bush does not do war - he sends other peoples children to fight his. We all know about his fear of going off to Vietnam and how he sobbed and how he was given a lighter job at the National Guard but, alas, that was too much for him to handle too.
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 12:46:14 PM | Huh? Not all of us think the Iranians are in the right - the UK claims its GPS readings show their search/seizure craft was approximately 2 miles from the 'disputed' border ( and it is disputed - hence the Iranians claim of border violation).
OTOH, I haven't heard much about the circumstances behind the seizure of the Iranian hostages/detainees that the US has been holding for months. The US has been looking for evidence of Iranian support of insurgents along the lines of similar supplies sent to Syria and Lebanon to support Hezbollah militants. It claimed last year that the Iran was supplying parts for IEDs and other weaponry, when in fact, later evidence (February and early March '07) suggests more than enough internal supply of parts for them.
The laugh is that the Official Iraqi Police, trained by the US, has been thieving and reselling US military supplies to the highest local bidders. US Military Intelligence is often slow, missing their cues/clues over and over again. The supply of money from the US to support the war has so FAT, that this 'hole in the bucket' of missing weapons and supplies is an accepted fact by US troops on the ground.
The irony is that the US DOD doubled its military spending on whiz bang defense, to a current budget estimate of 1.5 trillion - much of it has been spent on products later found to be defective or substantially delayed (and thus in hundreds of percent cost overrun).
Meanwhile, simple armament for vehicles and supplies for troops went unanswered. And, the most recent irony - the hospital conditions for injured troop care is beyond deplorable. These were widely reported in military blogs, but ignored by the military command for not months, but years ttp://jrsalzman.com/weblog/default.asp#311
I don't see Iran as being particularly clever in this latest move. There are numerous bloggers in both Iraq and Iran that tell of the depair of these people trying to live under very difficult conditions. Similar blogs can be found for Palestinians, Israeli border towns, Lebanon and Syria.
What you have is a long, long pattern of historical strife between ethnic populations, struggling to cohabitat despite stark differences in language, culture and religion. And more recently, by foreign speculation and bribing of their tribal or royal officials for resource grabs.
No resident population would willing tolerate these conditions. There is more than enough evidence to question the real motives for US/UK invasion, not just this time, but in previous wars and manipulation of discontentment in various ME states.
The fact is - it all stinks. The mullahs and their islamic hardline rule, the corrupt leadership who profits while enforcing harsh rule and continuing poverty and illiteracy in the countryside, and the war mongering industrial interests who pull the strings in various Western nations to ensure raw materials supply for the future.
What we have is a disjoint view of the Persian / Arab future, and many millions of people who are weary of being treated like feudal fodder. They have rampant crime, drug use, povery, disease and depression.
If this is life in the 21st century under 'enlightened rule', is there any wonder they are sick of it - all of it. They just want stability, a little money to buy decent food and clothing and freedom from the constant fear of being bombed by numerous enemies - within and without. | |
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arri
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 12:49:47 PM | FYI: Former Iranian Deputy Defense Minister Ali Reza Asgari has defected to Turkey . ... with his family... it is speculated that he may be talking ... (wall street journal, march 30, A15.)
Apparently not. This is from Ynet news of Israel. Funny how some of the Israeli news agencies are more open than our own here.
The family of Ali Reza Asgari, the Iranian general and former deputy defense minister who disappeared from Turkey last month, snubbed recent newspaper reports claiming he defected to the West and insisted instead that he was kidnapped by foreign agents.
His wife Ziba Asgari, 46, contended Western reports that Asgari was a spy and smuggled his family out of Iran prior to his escape. “We are here. Those are mere rumors being spread by the enemies,” she said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3375593,00.html
It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong. Both sides have their own audience ... and it's not the so called moderate arabs that are afraid of Iran, its the US/UK that are are afraid of Iran.
This article is worth reading.
U.S. caught off guard by Saudi king's criticism But some experts say remarks on Iraq are gambit to check Iran
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/30/MNGOOOUM6U1.DTL
However, where it goes wrong is the wishful thinking of the US administration. Iran maybe Persian and Shia, but US is a pro-Israel christian imperialist nation. Also, it is not Iran that is promoting sectarianism. It's Israel and US, and the Arabs are learning.
It really helps to examine the gulf arab's culture and listen carefully to what they say. The Saudi Royals don't say much, but when they say something, people must listen carefully.
Historically, the gulf Arabs prefer lose alliances over full autonomy as long as they are left alone to do as they please. That was the arrangement that US and Saudis have had for ages. US doesn't meddle with their laws, treatment of women, chopping heads and body parts off and total lack of democratic process. But that doesn't mean that they won't turn on US if they have had enough.
I have 2 quotes to for you guys from king abdullah:
"When the Americans are done with their mischief, we still have to live here with our neighbors"
When he was asked about Iran and the Shia power ... he said: "Iranians have been Shia for only 500 years, but they have been Persian for 3000 years."
The Iranians are putting pressure on the Gulf states on several levels. The message they are preaching is, together we are strong enough to make our own economic decisions, take care of the Palestinian issue and become independent of the western imperialism. While US is trying to scare the Arabs that partnership with Iranians will be bad. Difference is, Arabs know how to get along with Persians. They have 3000 years of experience in doing exactly that. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 2:44:01 PM | I`m not completely sure where all of the arguments are going to go,but I can tell you that I do live near the main railroad track going East and West.Your probably wondering what this has to do with the conversation,right.In a nutshell its this ..........in the last two days I have virtually lost count of the "complete" train-loads of US military equiptment heading "West",and I am not privvy to what that actually means as we sit here and discuss what is currently happening in the Mid East.In my opinion they are headed for the Marine Corps Logistics Base in Dagget-Yermo,California and from there shipped out to where I dont know.I dont think it is normal activity.
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 3/31/2007 2:59:23 PM | | Maybe we can trade for the two groups of Iranian "spies" the U.S. government has in detention. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/2/2007 2:08:14 PM | So, for what its worth, Iran and the UK have both made sounds of concession - I think they are indeed discussing the 'we agree to disagree" alternative and are now negotiating the terms of a temporary settlement (agreement for the UK not to enter beyond a mutually agreed maritime boundary position.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070402/ts_nm/iran_britain_dc_22
Iran has conceded that pursuit of indictment and trial for the Royal Navy detainees is not needed. Now the back and forth discourse will center on when they can be freed and the terms of the negotiated agreement that the UK will not cross a specified maritime boundary position. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/2/2007 2:24:11 PM | A big headline in todays Globe and Mail today was "US impedes UK/Iran efforts". While the UK and Iran are making nice at each other the US is blathering away about "hostages" a term the UK has never used.
Being a natural cyninc I see this as good cop/bad cop. Russia claims the US will attack Iran soon, Iran knows this, but it also knows the US is reticent to attack without some sort of "coalition of the willing" (sic) and being nice to the UK is really in their best interest. But it can't hurt the UK position that the US is making angry noises. We both know the US would shut up about this if the UK asked through proper channels.
Having been in the news many times I'm familiar with the major disconnect bewteen what happens and what's reported - it is seldom the truth and is invariably what somebody wants you to hear. The Globe is especially bad for this. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/2/2007 2:39:32 PM | Well, it just so happens that another POF member and I have been discussing this very item: international gossip of a summertime coordinated attack on Iran/ Syria and Lebanon, for their part in either directly funneling or aiding and abetting arms and military supplies to insurgents in Iraq.
Israel and the US are supposedly plotting this Armageddon and Persians and Arabs (and others) already know it. Also, supposedly Saudi Arabia has been talking to Iran about joining an Arab Gulf axis to thwart exactly this event. It was reported to have been 'discussed' on Friday-Saturday at the Arab Summit closing discussion, and also purportedly reported by a certain hardline Israeli generals to the Israeli government as well.
The sources of these 'reports' are suspect.
My guess is that certain hardcore elements are not happy to see the signs of negotiation and proposed settlement of various issues within the Gulf. This is war-mongering rhetoric. | |
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arri
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/2/2007 3:37:01 PM | Most likely Iran is looking for more than just a maritime boundary and wants a full security guarantee from UK that will respect Iranian sovernity. This way, separating the most likely member of the axis of willing.
Qatar, Bahrain, Pakistan, maybe more, have already announced that US is not permitted to attack Iran from bases in their countries. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/2/2007 9:38:59 PM | Being a natural cyninc I see this as good cop/bad cop. Russia claims the US will attack Iran soon, Iran knows this, but it also knows the US is reticent to attack without some sort of "coalition of the willing" (sic) and being nice to the UK is really in their best interest.
You can count Canada in as part of the war with Iran. I believe this will likely be the case. Our conservative gov't is close to receiving a majority gov't and when this happens, likely this spring, the USA has us our conservative gov't to back them up. Scary. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 9:44:58 AM | Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to free British sailors "Hostages" as an Easter gift.
Iran to free seized British sailors http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17944210/
I think the Iranian President knew his country was fixing to be stormed by US Special Forces and British Commandos.
And if that happened it would show how weak Iran is to stop an attack.
If the Iranian President follows through, then tensions can ease and we can focus on the main issue of Uranium enrichment.
I have heard that gasoline is rationed in Iran, so hopefully in time sanctions can bring this to an end.
Cheers,
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 1:53:50 PM | BBC has posted a very interesting analysis of the release:
President Ahmadinejad announced the release of the 15 British naval personnel like a card player flinging down his hand to scoop the pool. Iran had good cards and played them well. It made its point about defending its borders, dominated international television with pictures of its prisoners and their "confessions" and, when it perhaps judged that it had got as much as it could expect to out of the confrontation, ended it with a flourish.
Iran will project this as a victory (the medals given publicly to the officers who led the operation was an immediate example) against a country still viewed with suspicion in Iran because of its past interventions. It also put out an indirect warning that any attack on its nuclear plants would be met with vigour.
At the same time, the British government can argue that it managed to put enough pressure on Iran to force it to put an end to the confrontation without Britain having to make any formal statement, even of regret, at the incident.
Nor was there any linkage to anything else, notably five Iranian officials held in Iraq.
Britain gave Iran an initial period of quiet in which to release the prisoners and when that did not work, went to the UN and the European Union while rallying support in the region. Whether that counted is not known. But certainly Iran complained about it, so it was noticed. Even the Pope joined in the pleas, with references to the sailors being home for Easter, and that might have been designed to appeal to President Ahaminejad's religious feelings.
Endgame The decisive moment came with the intervention of Ali Larijani, a senior figure on Iran's National Security Council and the lead negotiator on the nuclear issue, into what had been until then an inconclusive, drawn-out, formal diplomatic exchange through embassies. He contacted Channel 4 News in London, whose staff met him during a visit to Iran a few months ago. He made it clear in an interview on Monday that Iran wanted a diplomatic solution.
This went against the mood in Tehran the day before, when hardliners organised a demonstration outside the British embassy. It will probably be back to confrontation when the next Security Council deadline for Iranian compliance comes on 23 May.
Mr Larijani's intervention indicated that pragmatists had prevailed. This was matched on the British side by a lowering of the temperature, which proved important as it allowed Iran to say that the British were being less arrogant. When more photos of the prisoners appeared, showing them playing chess and sitting on the floor, chatting and smiling, the UK Foreign Office made no complaint, as it had after earlier pictures.
Channel 4 News presenter Jon Snow told British officials about the origin of the Larijani interview at a briefing for correspondents by the Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett on Tuesday. This appeared to galvanise British diplomats into contacting Mr Larijani themselves. That evening, Sir Nigel Sheinwald, Tony Blair's foreign affairs private secretary, spoke to Mr Larijani by phone.
President Ahmadinejad's news conference had been postponed from the previous day so presumably a collective decision was taken during the delay. The president told the BBC's Frances Harrison that he had not wanted a confrontation and suggested that the release had been held up by the British attitude. In any event, he announced the release with some enthusiasm.
Lessons One lesson that the British and other Western governments will draw is that Iran cannot be given opportunities like this without a propaganda price being paid. It appeared to observers during the crisis that the Royal Navy adopted the attitude that it was right and that was all there was to it. The navy's confidence was reflected in the fact that the helicopter that was monitoring the ship search preceding the seizure went back to HMS Cornwall without remaining overhead. Yet this, by British calculation, was within three minutes of the arrival of more powerful Iran boats. It is unlikely that there will be such confidence again.
And the incident was set against a background of hostility towards Iran by the British and American forces in Iraq. They have accused the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, whose naval unit took the British party, of helping Shia militias in their attacks on foreign troops. This incident is a reminder that all forces operate in a political context.
Nuclear issue The Iranian decision in this case is unlikely to be reflected in the much larger issue of its argument with the Security Council over its enrichment of uranium.
It was noticeable that President Ahmadinejad spent much of his statement to the news conference denouncing the Security Council for being the instrument of the United States. He accused the West of trying to deny "scientific knowledge" to Iran, even though it is simply the enrichment process that is in question. His attitude indicates that it will probably be back to confrontation when the next Security Council deadline for Iranian compliance comes on 23 May.
As interesting but trivial aside:
The 15 sailors met Mr Ahmadinejad dressed in smart suits
Plus, the Iranian President and some of his Cabinet members met the Navy in a very odd gesture of diplomatic treatment- they shook hands and pleasantly discussed the outcome. This is not typical of how 'hostages' are treated - the same men and women who were expected to be tried for their 'crimes' less than a week ago.
A very interesting ploy of humanization; Iran is very much aware of the image its casts.
Also note the role of Syria, in their assistance in brokering the release - and perhaps, that of the mysteriously detained Iranian official taken hostage in February and released yesterday in Iraq, with very little fanfare.
These are apparently connected events. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 1:59:23 PM | I think the Iranian President knew his country was fixing to be stormed by US Special Forces and British Commandos.
That might of been the american style of diplomacy, though luckily England took care of this one, as was correct and the case, this outcome was basically assured.
The difference between bush's threatening rantings and Blair's calm words were a good example of the difference between diplomacy and typically pathetic bullying behaviour.
As for the use of military force, it would of been the worst option and accomplished nothing. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 3:44:44 PM | Ahhh, no - Blair had to backpedal his sorry ass when his own military experts spoke out in the press and admitted that the current maritime border that the UK recognizes has very little to do with any actual internationally recognized border - it was simply drawn and used as a geographical pointreference.
Immediately thereafter, various intermediaries who had been looking for a bargaining chip jumped on this fact to show that both sides were truthful in their assertions of maritime boundaries. This allowed each side to save face in a mutual agreement to disagree - and there appears to have been a little sweetening of the deal by the release of the previously detained (by Iraqi forces) Iranian diplomat.
The Iranian President also had gambled to hold the detainees until just before Easter, so that they would be portrayed as 'humanitarian" and "advanced" in culture and not without sensibility, especially in the light of broad (international) criticism of the staged photographs, videotaped (purportedly) forced admission of wrongdoing, and enforced wearing of a headscarf by the sole female detainee.
Iran needed center stage to make its point and to draw attention to its previous efforts to work with UN officials monitoring its nuclear processing technology. It also wished to reinforce warnings against illegal interdiction into Iranian waters by Coalition marine forces.
I would say that Iran came out looking not too bad, especially as it tries to make points with its Arab neighbors for a different approach to Middle East Peace - moderating voice to counter growing animosity Sunni and Shi'ia factions, a philosophical and political difficulty that many Arab countries trod very carefully indeed. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 4:52:32 PM |
Ahhh, no
No what ? That bush was sabre rattling as usual, out of place and unnecessarily opposed to Blair and the UK gang kept negotiations going, hardly not.... back to the world of US media with you ! | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 5:17:56 PM | No, that Blairs approach to problem solving was hardly very smooth.
Bush didn't engage in any saber rattling. If anything, Downing St was a bit pissed that he didn't step forward immediately. GWB knew that he would be pressured to release the Iranian diplomatic detainees and so chose to sit back and let UK/EU diplomats do their thing. He did join Blair (you conveniently forgot to mention this point) in approaching the UN for intervention; the Russians led an opposition contingent that dumbed down the letter of 'extreme' concern authored by the UN in an action following a discussion and vote on the issue of international sentiment on the standoff, stopping short of using Blair-Bush approved rhetoric in the UN voiced disapproval of Iran's actions in seizing the 15 Royal Navy crew members.
Hell, the UK negotiators didn't get the last laugh - unless you didn't bother to read the previous posts - it was the UK television network that catalyzed the finale:
Channel 4 News presenter Jon Snow told British officials about the origin of the Larijani interview at a briefing for correspondents by the Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett on Tuesday. This appeared to galvanise British diplomats into contacting Mr Larijani themselves. That evening, Sir Nigel Sheinwald, Tony Blair's foreign affairs private secretary, spoke to Mr Larijani by phone. | |
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| Iranian capture of UK soldiers Posted: 4/4/2007 5:40:07 PM | What a lovely gesture by the Iranian Pres to 'pardon' the UK SOLDIERS!
Who the f*ck does he think he is fooling??? This is clearly a tactic to protect his sorry ass from gettin blown to itsy bitsy bits by both the UK and USA.
I still think that this situation will still end up escalating into something that may or may not be containable.
Only time will tell, but I think there is going to be another 'attack' before the summer hits. | |
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