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Posted: 12/13/2007 12:40:37 AM |
"In some cases you would need to be told" that someone was transexual. come off it! its quite obvious.
Aside from the big feet, square jaw, stubble and Adams apple there are three obvious differences that cannot be disguised. the ability to understand the laws of cricket. the understanding of the Off Side rule in Rugby and football. and the clincher:
the ability to parallel park.
Oh shit! I have size 7/8 feet can park my car anywhere and am pretty good at cricket, rugby and football.
Fook. That must mean I am actually a man. I suppose that would explain why I love my breasts so much.....
But no! Wait! I love shoes..... OMG, I'm a GAY man!
I'm Gok Wan! | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 1:11:08 AM | this forum has proved time and again that there is prejudice alive and kicking in 2007..against all sorts of 'groups' or segments in society.
it seems that for many if someone deviates in any way from 'the norm' or lets be more accurate..their perception of what is the norm or indeed pleasing to the eye..then they are freaks and should be labelled as such.
I will never understand what so many feel the need to be repulsed by things that have little or nothing to do with them. Surely a live and let live ethos should be the norm?
Sadly ignorance. prejudice and discrimination will no doubt be rife for years to come.
as to the op..if i met someone and was attracted to them..then i would date them. if in time trust was there i would expect them to be honest regarding their past..(simply because i belive in trust and honesty in any relationship)It would NOT matter to me what they had been previously.
i dont care or even consider if someone is black, white, jewish, muslim, catholic, tall, short, fat, thin, male, female, gay, straight, transgendered etc etc..i ONLY care if they lack intelligence, compassion and basic human decency..
lou
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 2:59:12 AM |
i dont care or even consider if someone is black, white, jewish, muslim, catholic, tall, short, fat, thin, male, female, gay, straight, transgendered etc etc..i ONLY care if they lack intelligence, compassion and basic human decency.
I just wouldn't have a relationship with a girl that used to be a bloke, simple.
seems that for many if someone deviates in any way from 'the norm' or lets be more accurate..their perception of what is the norm or indeed pleasing to the eye..then they are freaks and should be labelled as such.I will never understand what so many feel the need to be repulsed by things that have little or nothing to do with them. Surely a live and let live ethos should be the norm?Sadly ignorance. prejudice and discrimination will no doubt be rife for years to come.
I am not repulsed by a transsexual, nor do I find them freakish. I am just being honest and saying that no way would I have a relationship with one. If you think that makes me discriminative then..................................whatever! | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 9:33:13 AM | We have 2 transgendered folks on this thread, both chosing to handle things very differently.
Each is doing what is right for them. Both totally different and finding that things have been different for each of them.
Why, if anyone is 100% happy and proud of who they are, feels the need to lie to someone i will never know. Regardless of how you are now, yes you are women (in my opinion) but at the end of the day you did used to have a penis each. No, im not taking the pee, just saying it on a basic level. Therefore, hiding that from a potential partner is quite a serious thing.
This isnt like saying "i used to have red hair, it isnt actually naturally blonde", it is a major thing.
I think you are women, you think you are women but an awful lot of people will think you are men who have had their penises chopped off. They dont all understand about how you were born in the wrong body. They dont all see it like that.
You ask for the respect that you rightly deserve, so you should give the same back.
If you want to be accepted fully into society, you have to allow people to make informed decisions. It is the right of each and every one of us to know certain fundamental things.
Most straight men would think somewhere from deep in their psyche that if they slept with a transgendered person it makes them gay somehow, and many of them would react angrily if this was kept from them until after the act, for example. It is deception not to tell someone that i feel.
In my opinion, you have every right to be accepted, you are not freaks, you are people. Just as a person doesnt chose the colour of their skin, you did not chose to be in the wrong body. You have the right to be yourself. Be proud of yourself for the people you are.
(as for the supposed outing on another site, beg to differ, an ex poffer made a thread on here about transexuals being deceptive and hinted highly at to who they were talking about ) | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 9:40:45 AM |
But no! Wait! I love shoes..... OMG, I'm a GAY man!
I'm Gok Wan!
Or Derek Acorah, he has a well documented fetish for a faux snakeshin loafer. | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 1:18:17 PM | jack and jill went up the hill so jack could lick her cranny.
jack got a shock and a mouth full of c@ck cos jills a pre op tranny!!
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 1:24:17 PM |
Guys would you date a woman who use to be a man
no never
why he/she would be too tall for me and might beat me at arm wrestling | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/13/2007 3:22:22 PM |
it seems that for many if someone deviates in any way from 'the norm' or lets be more accurate..their perception of what is the norm or indeed pleasing to the eye..then they are freaks and should be labelled as such.
Down here in Sussex, we may lead sheltered lives, but in no way can anyone who changes their gender be described as 'normal'.
People judge others all the time, and on a variety of levels and standards. There is nothing wrong in deciding that this unnatural act (let's face it, how many people change gender 'naturally'?) renders the person to be unsuitable for dating. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2007 6:35:27 PM | Msg104
Why, if anyone is 100% happy and proud of who they are, feels the need
to lie to someone i will never know. Regardless of how you are now, yes you
are women (in my opinion) but at the end of the day you did used to have a
penis each. No, im not taking the pee, just saying it on a basic level.
Therefore, hiding that from a potential partner is quite a serious thing.
Correct, I agree totally and would never go to bed with a man without him being aware of my past.
Most straight men would think somewhere from deep in their psyche that if they slept with a transgendered person it makes them gay somehow, and many of them would react angrily if this was kept from them until after the act, for example. It is deception not to tell someone that i feel.
Again, I agree with you totally. Any ts woman who goes to bed with a man is risking violence unless he is aware of her past. Fortunately, the thought of going to bed with most of the men on POF is an equally appalling thought for me !
Thread summary
This is the last I intend to post on this subject since clearly it is still OK to make jokes at transsexual people's expense, deny them basic rights including dehumanising them, state they are unsuitable totally as dating material nor can they be lesbians or into BDSM FFS !
Consider replacing the word transsexual with black or jew and one might appreciate why certain comments are hurtful. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:35:12 AM | Shakespeares' all the world's a stage...... and Gore Vidal a bit more to the point: There is no such thing as a heterosexual or a homosexual, there are acts - heterosexual and homosexual.
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/18/2007 4:29:01 AM | Msg 112
Excuse me but that such a crock of pooh its not even funny.
I dont have anything against anyone who decides to make changes to thier life that they think will make them happy. I try not to judge in the hope that im not judged for the choices i make.
But Dating is a matter of personal taste. Im a 100 % straight male. I have never fantasized about, another bloke, never touched another bloke, and never will. If other people want to date someone whos transgendered, good luck to them. I hope thay are very happy. But in my mind a man is still a man even if a surgeon has still had his way with them ;-) | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:32:03 AM | ^^ So slightly off topic but still relevant (I hope).. What exactly makes a woman a woman in your eyes???
What is it that is different??
I am 6 feet tall, have size 8/9 feet, can discuss the subtleties of of 4 4 2 versus a 4 5 1 formation, know the offside rule, know where silly mid off stands, know what a dousra is and have definite preferences re league and union on the rules rather than the players, yet I am a born female... I'm probably more masculine than many transgendered women TBH ... Yet you'd prefer me to a petite, pretty girlie TG woman?? | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/18/2007 4:49:08 AM |
Or Derek Acorah, he has a well documented fetish for a faux snakeshin loafer.
Oh, God. Shoot me now!
(let's face it, how many people change gender 'naturally'?)
It certainly doesn't happen often but it isn't entirely unheard of. Genetic male foetuses that are resistant to testosterone in utero are born female, albeit XY females.
In the case of the Batista boys they were born and brought up female until they hit puberty. At that point their (undescended) testicles began producing their own, high levels of testosterone. The levels were high enough that the girls transformed into boys as they progressed through puberty. The boys apparently had no unpleasant psychological side effects.
There are also documented cases of adult women who only discover that they are genetic males at the point that that the lack of menses becomes problematic.
What is the situation there? Is she male or female? If she chose gender reassignment to make her external body match her genetic coding, would she be having a sex change? Or if she didn't do anything would that make her transexual? Don't forget, whatever she decided, she would remain legally a female.
And again, what about intersex children? Or (as has happened) children that are mistakenly assigned the wrong sex at birth. Should they be stigmatised for their condition? Would you stigmatise anyone else with a genetic problem that affected a different part of their antomy?
Food for thought, I hope.
Of course, everybody has the right to their own preferences, redheads rather than blondes, men instead of woman, genetically congruous as opposed to incongruous.
It is only when we judge people exclusively and primarily for that one 'preference' that it becomes something different.
Unless they're ginger, in which case, fair game....
JOKE!!!! For those of you that are hard of thinking! | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:56:06 AM | Yep without a shadow of a doubt id take you over the TG woman even if she looked like Kylie and yes i still think kylie is Hot ...lol
Its not about the way you look that makes a woman a woman, and a man a man. Its far deeper that just the size of your hands or if you have a penis or not. Your sex is dtermined on a chemical level. A man and womans brain are diffrent on chemical levels as well as physical ones. and function diffrently. Im not saying there arnt people out there who are genuinely have the chemical make up of the oppoite sex they were born to. But i think they are incrdibly rare.
I think just as time has moved on our acceptance of things outside the social norm has grown and we as human being are more accepting of sexual fluidity. 50 years ago, i wonder what percentage of women had had a bisexual experience ? fairly low id imagine. Now its the opposite way around most women seem to have had atleast one experience. Im not saying this is a bad thing. Im just wondering where this will leave us in 50 years time. Will we be saying its ok for a woman to marry her dog because she loves it. ? and what justifications will people find to say its ok.
PS pantsoffire i think your hot anyway ....lol | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:58:22 AM |
What exactly makes a woman a woman in your eyes???
Interesting question, Pants!
To expand upon it....
I've just read through this thread again (and have to admit to feeling a little nauseous at some of the horribly ignorant comments, I'm afraid!) and was struck by something which seems to recurr..... the idea that having a reassignment if unnatural and therefore unattractive.
Another surgery which is, without doubt, very unnatural is breast enlargement.
So, taking Pants's 'what makes a woman a woman' idea ....... is a woman who has had her breasts enlarged (to make her feel more feminine and attractive) a 'freak' too? What about a man who has had penis enlargement surgery?
Where do people draw the line? | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:59:51 AM | msg 114 you have got to be crazy posting that question! This thread will more than likely get filled by every male that has ever been to a Birmingham meet screaming out "Shes an ultra Feminine woman!"
Who and what we are is dictated by everything about us, our mind, our physice our aspirations. no matter what the surgeon does they can't make a man into a woman or the revers, it's the whole of a person that dicates what they are.
Within all of us lies our true identity, sadly the world and even ourselves can often hide or even grind that down into the ground!
I feel sorry for the people who do not know who and what they are. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:05:17 AM | Pants is an ultra!!!
or is that an ultrawoman??
ooooo John waters would be having a heart attack!! 
I can see lots of point of views here, and TBH i think any deciet is the worst thing that would put a guy off. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:08:58 AM | Just to answer the question above, im going to break it dow to a basic level that nobody can argue with. and i apologise for my spelling in advance.
In 2000 years time when an archeologist is doing his dig in the ruins of London and he comes across the body of a transgendered woman. Now he he doesnt know shes trans. The physical eveidence the flesh part has withered away. and all hes left with is the skeleton. What sex is he going to tag that transgendered woman with ? id bet my last pound hes going to tag it Male. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:30:44 AM |
What sex is he going to tag that transgendered woman with ? id bet my last pound hes going to tag it Male.
Depends on several things
When (agewise)the reassignment took place. If it was early there is a chance that the hormone treatment could affect the skeleton, widening the pelvic girdle.
Surgery could obviously deal with the extra rib, whether it would leave sufficient evidence to identify, I really don't know.
The original build of the person, visual identification of the sex of a skeleton isn't always as straight forward as Bones and CSI would have us believe.
DNA testing might identify the genetic sex of the skeleton, assuming there is sufficient materieal.
Then again 2000 years in the future, sex and gender could be an entirely different matter and no-one will care whether the skelly was M, F, M2F or F2M. | |
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| Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 12/18/2007 5:33:48 AM | I have to say, basing your preferences on someones skeletal make up is a new one on me .... Bet my femur's longer than yours is ....  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:03:50 AM | on here to date women, not to date wimmin who used to be men
guess the only advantage a sex change would have is the inability to get pregnant.
But not for me, if was into blokes, would get one which did not have the bits chopped off :)
Luckily I am not, not sure why people need the op, but whatever turns you on I guess  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:10:03 AM | | i have dated a woman in the past who used to be male and it didnt bother me in the slightest,i accepted her fully as a woman the fact she had given up her right to father any childern in pursuit to be who she truly wanted was something i always respected her for,it didnt bother me then and it wouldnt bother me now either | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 11:12:15 AM | The only thing I know for sure in life is that we seek a feeling and not a situation. With that as my benchmark - If I met someone and it felt right then that should be the course I follow.
I have an aquaintance who has crossed the divide and back again. Lovely person and attractive to many people.
God bless us one and all! | |
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