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Posted: 12/18/2007 1:36:41 PM | Hmm, clearly an emotional subject.
On the broader picture of (in)tolerance and discrimination, I'm surprised that many people are surprised by this. The veneer of tolerance and openness in our society is very thin, and is regularly broken through by people of all faiths, races, genders, sexualities and opinions. I think it'll be a long time before we're a genuinely integrated and accepting society, if we manage to survive that long... 
On the original poster's question, I can relate the following anecdote. I met a nice lass at my current workplace when I started there a few years back. Got a bit of a crush, as I tend to do when meeting a nice lass, and on our first big staff night in the pub was told in a fairly seedy manner that "she" used to be a "he". To be honest, I didn't believe it, and was at the time of the opinion that it really didn't matter. Over time I got to know her, and it did indeed turn out to be true, but that she was in fact a totally smashing person who I really liked, both in a personal and romantic sense. Nothing happened, sadly, but I kinda wish it had...  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 2:48:28 PM |
It certainly doesn't happen often but it isn't entirely unheard of.
Which acknowledges the fact that changing gender rarely happens 'naturally'.
The examples provided generally related to instances where there was confusion over which gender had been allocated naturally. The OP specifically refers to those who started off as one gender and decided to become the other.
Changing gender is not a natural act in those cases. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:28:04 PM |
The only thing I know for sure in life is that we seek a feeling and not a situation. With that as my benchmark - If I met someone and it felt right then that should be the course I follow.
I agree with that comment with regard to seeking a feeling
as opposed to seeking being in a particular situation out of
some perverse kinkiness. If it happened accidently that I fell
madly and deeply in love with a man who used to be a woman
so be it.
To my mind someone who has struggled so deeply with coming
to terms with who they are and are brave enough to change how
they live their life to suit that purpose must be a very strong
individual deep inside. But I have a huge mistrust of anybody
who has done this/had gender reassignment and is still embittered
by the experience if they've been rejected on that basis by family etc.
I wouldn't want to live with the socio-political minefield of having
someone being ultra-sensitive about their lot in life. I mean there
are far better and more worthy things to be angry about in life and
I wouldn't want to be involved with an incurable/insatiable victim.
If you've gone to the bother of changing you physically through surgery
then you should have the state of mind to be more generous to others
who haven't that capacity. I just think being angry with people because
they can't get their heads around the fact that you are so different to the
norm is selfish/far too demanding/very pie in the sky. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:01:57 PM |
The examples provided generally related to instances where there was confusion over which gender had been allocated naturally. The OP specifically refers to those who started off as one gender and decided to become the other.
The Bastista boys were not ambiguous females, they were little girls hit puberty and then grew penises as the testosterone flooded their bodies. They awoke one morning to the clangs as their balls dropped!
Apparently though, it wasn't uncommon within their community. The resistence to testosterone was a genetic problem that was widespread in their community.
Ditto the case of the XY female that I used as an example, she was female, she had hips, she had breasts and she had an operational mary. Her genetic make up (and consequent internal physical differences) came to light when she was undergoing tests into her infertility. She was a married woman. Her resistance to testosterone was more marked than the Batista boys and even the high levels in puberty were not enough to change her.
My point in both these examples was one, to show that changing gender is rare but not non-existent in nature and two, for people to consider whether the XY woman was a woman or a man. If it is agreed that she is no less a woman than an XX woman then why is a surgically changed XY woman any less of a woman?
XY women exist naturally. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 2:31:17 AM | msg 116 - I believe you can marry your dog in Texas, but only if you are truly in love.
I feel like a cheetah trapped in a human body, can I get some help?
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Posted: 12/19/2007 7:20:56 AM | msg-130
I feel like a cheetah trapped in a human body, can I get some help?
Dear msg 130, not in this forum you can't........................it was brave of you to share your desire with us, but looking at some of the posts on here, you are only opening yourself up to ridicule from some of the posters on here.
If you wish to be different, I would suggest you keep your thoughts and wishes to yourself, as some of the posters on here, do not do different from the norm, so I am afraid to say, stay in your room, you will be safer there, out here, you have a good chance of being ripped to shreds. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 8:34:50 AM | msg 130
My bet is it might be legal to marry your dog in Texas, But im also willing to bet if you get caught having sex with it your going to jail ...lol
I was going to do a gag about
about i wouldnt mind being trappen in a womans body, But id prolly get slapped ...
I hope im not coming off as intolerant that isnt what my posts are about. People are free to do what they wish. The question was would you date someone whod had a gender transfer. and i was just pointing out in my case the answer is no. If other people want to thats thier choice and ill wish them the best of luck. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 10:50:29 AM | Msg 130, admitting to wanting sex with animals might not be the best thing to admit to, can't see the attraction myself :)
Pretty sure that this is a person on person dating forum, maybe you want
www.beastdating.com ? | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 11:06:07 AM | | Everytime I scan down the page, I misread this as 'Pop up transsexuals'. I don't know why. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 11:22:49 AM | wel it is now the time when trannys celebrate christmas
eat drink and be mary | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 9:23:13 AM | | As a heterosexual presenting woman, if F-M was girt lush looking and their brain turned me on summat chronic....................................................................................................I'd ask if they had a brother for the business am afraid. But we could still be friends! | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 9:32:52 AM | Isn't it pheromones which set the deal when it comes to finding someone physically attractive ?
I wonder if the scent of a man is that easy to disguise once he's been for the chop and taken all those female hormones and developed breasts? I mean does this new woman still sweat like she did as a man and does it still smell the same because it may not be a good mix with Chanel No. 5 ? | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 9:40:36 AM | | Right Mr Wrong. Any time I have been to a gay club with my lesbian friends, I have pulled a M-F. I believe this is because I am a gay man very happily residing in my birth given female body. I would have a relationship with a lesbian in a mans body so long as they were happy with their bits intact, even if they did present as female lesbian to the outside world. I have not indulged as so far I have been aware of a cut off point looming which looks like a temporary attachment when I am looking for long term. They would have to be girt lush looking though, I love my visual pleasures. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 10:00:16 AM | So you would not have sex with a woman who has become a man through surgery but would have sex with a man who's become a woman and you would also shag a man who is pretending that he is a lesbian woman ?
I don't know why you would discriminate like that could you explain please. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 11:02:48 AM | | you cant used to be a man.....or used to be a woman...you are male if born male and female if born female...100% simple | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 11:14:00 AM | | Stonewall commisioned a report /investigation by two very emminent cambridge scientists/proffessors...the aim being that they would prove conclusively that being gay/transexual/lesbian/etc etc etc was determined by some kind of chemical or dna type thing....after 8 years of investigation and the most in depth study ever of the above...the two concluded that to be gay/transexual/lesbian etc etc was no more than a lifestyle choice.....stonewall...the leading light in gay/lesbian rights etc etc was gobsmaked and refused to pay the two proffessors as they obviously dissagreed with the results...i,ve yet to find a gay person that cam argue those findings.....so in short...guys wear womens knickers....thats womens knickers because they want to wear them...if your male your male...if your female your female...removal of your****does not make u female...it makes you****ess | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 11:15:54 AM | Actually all human babies are female by nature and then later develop into a male or stay female in the womb. Sorry, useless knowledge! Ill go back to my pineapple under the sea :-)
Even more interestingly we all know you can be XX or XY but you can get XXX, XXY and XXXX and XXXY also XO, I think thats Turners Syndrome. The XXYs look like normal males but are very aggressive males, there are a few in scottish mental instutions. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 12:31:36 PM | In reply to 139, I'm a bit techie - I like high performance gadgets best, hense there are more M-F than F-M in society at large.
I can't work out whether to go to Vauxhall Tavern or Edinburgh both oozing with men in skirts end of the year revels wise.
On a sober note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdEKrzcUd9I
Jacky Beat, Beaver toon. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 12:43:18 PM | Ok, so because surgeons haven't perfected how to make a decent man out of a woman's body yet but have had plenty of practise making the ideal woman out of a man's body you prefer them as they are guaranteed to be better quality goods.
Gotcha!
I wonder what the first M-F's body looked like and how her body has weathered the years and if she is still around. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 2:47:04 PM | From the excellent website of Professor Lynne Conway, copyright acknowledged and approved for use for educational purposes:
"With the rapid advances in knowledge of sex hormones and plastic surgery following World War II, it finally became possible to contemplate complete medical and surgical solutions for transsexualism. During the 1950's, transsexual women began to benefit enormously from the newly available female sex hormones, which enable the development of breast, soften the skin and over time produce female body contours. Also during the 1950's, a few surgeons began exploratory surgeries to construct vaginas in MtF transsexuals by using skin grafts taken from the thighs or buttocks, drawing upon then recently developed techniques for constructing vaginas in intersexed girls.
Christine Jorgensen, a U.S. citizen, was among the first small group of transsexuals to undergo such a surgical "change of sex". At the time of Christine's surgery in the '50's, doctors first removed the transsexual's male organs in one or more surgeries. The patient then waited through an extended period for healing. Then, in a surgery similar to those done to create vaginas for intersexed patients, surgeons constructed the patient's vagina by using skin grafts taken from her thighs or buttocks (Christine's vaginoplasty surgery was in 1954)."
In the late 50s and 60s a french plastic surgeon named Georges Burou, M.D. invented the modern form of penile inversion MtF sex reassignment surgery for MtF transsexuals. Dr. Burou's classic innovation was to use the male genitalia as source of skin and sensitive erotic tissue to create the new female genitalia, including the vagina.
He operated on well known Parisian showgirls of the time Coccinelle and Bambi (not the Disney deer) and the very beautiful April Ashley from England. For those interested in April please follow this non-commercial link http://www.aprilashley.com/home.html
April continues to weather well in both beauty and health well into her 70s and she has been linked as a lover of some very high profile celebrities including Omar Sharif.
These days, sex reassignment surgery for transsexual women is so advanced that it is perfectly possible, but not advisable, to have intimate heterosexual activity including 69 without a partner being aware of one's past - to paraphrase an old but apocryphal Nationwide quip - you can look taste and smell like Fanny's.
Modern techniques mean gynaecologists now have to examine ts women's vaginas in great detail before they are aware that the area was once something else. Aesthetically we are no different to a woman who has had a full hysterectomy.
And to answer the other question about pheromones, it is all to do with the dominant hormone balance in your body. If any person were to take cross sex hormones for a period in excess of about 4 months at the right doses, they would no longer smell like their birth gender but as their acquired gender.
TS women can smell incredibly sexy and highly attractive to heterosexual men and lesbians alike because their higher intake of feminising hormones make them seem to be on "heat". The effect on straight women is one of slight threat -"this gal smellls like she is trying to steal my man" and for gay men total disinterest (after all gay men want the scent of man around them ).
I hope the above answers the sensible questions asked above. I have no intention to address the statements made by the ignorant and the prejudiced. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:19:22 PM | someone i know dated a post-op.
used to be called douglas , but is now called denise.
they took me to one side to tell me , but before they actually said anything , i said " I know ".
To me , it was obvious........the adams apple , the knees , the hands..........oestrogen injections wont take those away. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:24:42 PM |
used to be called douglas , but is now called denise.
They all do that don't they. Paul becomes Paula. John becomes Joan. Why not just make a change all together? and from Nigel become Clarissa.
I quite like the sound of Cecelia should the need ever arise. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:26:27 PM | ^^^ Lol at post 147!!
But what flavour pu$$y will they be getting ?
TS women can smell incredibly sexy and highly attractive to heterosexual men and lesbians alike because their higher intake of feminising hormones make them seem to be on "heat". The effect on straight women is one of slight threat -"this gal smellls like she is trying to steal my man" and for gay men total disinterest (after all gay men want the scent of man around them ).
Sounds like it's a battleground out there for transgenders I'm going to have to make a point of sniffing them out some day but it must be terrifying having to fight off all those people who are attracted to them.
I never knew that about Omar Sharif either. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:28:00 PM |
They all do that don't they. Paul becomes Paula. John becomes Joan. Why not just make a change all together? and from Nigel become Clarissa. I quite like the sound of Cecelia should the need ever arise.
No, only the dumb clucks do that.
Mind you the acquaintance who thought that the name Chlamydia was a lovely name rather took the biscuit. It rather left a nasty taste in the mouth at even the thought. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 3:33:02 PM | Cant be buggered to read through the thread .
Surley though if a person were to have transgender surgery they are then what they want to be hopefully .
I would date a woman who used to be a man . Would that make me gay ?? dont think so . | |
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