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Posted: 6/2/2007 8:11:06 PM | About Pit Bulls......
I'd be as wary as the next guy, but a quick story. In Windhoek, Namibia, I stayed at a hostel which had two pits - "Crash" and "Burn." Naturally, the inhabitants were of all languages, sizes, creeds, colours. For an ESP-driven reason that passes my understanding, they would leave anyone alone who came through the gate, would respect dog and non-dog people, and so on. But anyone who did not belong there (and I'm not talking about people who were there for the first time) - shazam! All hell broke loose.
To this day - years later - I don't know what it was, but they made me a believer in nurture being at least as critical as nature, and almost certainly more so. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 8:26:52 PM | burkeandwills,
Pits are very smart dogs. The breeders and owners are the Idiots, and the dogs are the true Victims. The reasons cousins cannot marry legally is because of the perpetuation of harmful recessive genes. Then you get a stoopid owner that believes in beating their dogs, and you have a formula for disaster.
The problem with a Pit is that their bite can exert 3,000 lbs. of pressure.
My cousin has an older Pit that is actually the most docile of all of her three dogs. Owners must be held to a greater degree of accountability! | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 8:25:16 AM | | My dogs are proudly pictured along with my obligatory "attract a date self pictures". Sadly, neither of them have been asked out as of yet, but they are hopeful that the right dogs and ****es will see their photos and hit on them. Woof | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 1:37:21 PM | | I think the wearing of bows and clothing on dogs should be outlawed. Poor things. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 2:04:59 PM | HI just wanted you to know I am doing much better now. Thanks for all your thoughts. First I came to terms with Simba dying because he had been going down hill for months so I had already prepared myself. I don't like how he died but I have to let that go. Charges have been laid (but they won't tell me until court passes), I will be pursuing legal remedies for myself and my costs. I still have some tears but have lost the panic and guilt. Last nite was the first pleasant nite sleep I had.
In a few hours I am meeting Goldie, a 9 year old Chihuaua Mix who has been in a kennel for 1 year. It is my intent to foster her and see how we do. I have lots of love to pour into her and apparently she needs me too. Since I made the decision, I am feeling much more positive and can hardly wait until I have 4 paws running around and/or just sleeping.
So wanted you all to know that I am better, still lots to go but am positively optimistic again and will now carry a club and pepper spray when I am out and about. Actually I'm pretty proud of myself for having fought those 3 pit bulls as well as I did (foolish I know but I could do no less!). Simba is at peace now and he will always be 'my baby', just as my first dog was 'my munchkin'. Time will tell what Goldie's nickname will become. Will post a pic of her in my profile soon.
To all dog people everywhere (and even those who are not part of our cult!) THANK YOU 
my personal opinion is I don't like bows, nor clothes EXCEPT for winter coats and well maybe a sensible raincoat! 
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Posted: 6/4/2007 5:57:56 PM | Daizee, I am sooo sorry to hear about what happened to you and Simba. that's just awful! I hope the new dog will distract you from your pain. She won't replace Simba, but in time she'll earn a place of her own in your heart.
hugs,
sue | |
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Posted: 6/5/2007 5:36:15 AM | Wow
I heard the story about the pit-bulls. Unfortunately they are a banned breed in Ontario Canada now. They IMHO aren't an attractive breed either. A lot of dogs are probably inbred farther. Where some owner's get off neglecting or controlling their dogs and getting idiot in-bred breeds pretending their all good until??? While their bosses, spouses, lack of sex etc maybe at real issue is beyond me!
I have a nice cat called Charlie which my mom named. A nice friendly cat that I buy Cadillac food for with the Menu Food thing. He was a stray that wandered into my place. And I vary his diet farther so he's not eating the same stuff all the time. So if I can advise threat the odd beast well if you must and watch them like a hawk. My cat complains when I'm gone kind of like a partner for too long. I've had sheppards turn on me as well when I thought all was fine and good. They're animals after still. And if I can advise, I try to treat people better. Even if they have issues or are less dependant apparently or have bigger more annoying yappers. What did Genesis say about the animals turning???
Someone talked about someone praying. I'd pray for people to get together against the odd lost puppy government type or big business type.
Take care,
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| Simba was killed today by 3 pit bulls & I was mauled!
Posted: 6/6/2007 6:36:25 PM | Gtadaizee, I just read your story about the horrible attack on you and your dog. I am so very, very sorry for your loss.
At risk of attack, I must say this about dogs: People do not want to admit that dogs have been bred for hundreds of years with specific traits that were honed to perfection. Why do border collies herd, but beagles do not? Why to retrievers go out and gently bring back a bird and a welsh terrier would not? It is all in the hard-wiring, carefully bred by humans. Pit bulls, dogo sardescos and Tosa Inus are just a few of the fighting breeds, bred for generations for a job that at one time was very necessary – guarding, fighting off predators and attackers. This hard wiring can be redirected into positive paths, but one cannot know when that inner instinct may rear its head. I was in a training class with one of my dogs doing flyball – an activity that has dogs doing relay type hurdle races. A border collie in another lane, all “juiced up” came and attacked my running dog. Fortunately, the attack was brief and more tramatic than vicious, but the important point is that it was totally unexpected by the owner who was very involved in her dog’s training in a positive manner.
Sorry to get long winded, but I really want people to remember that the odds of an attack, and an attack with truly vicious intention, is more likely from breeds bred to act in such a manner for generations. Attacks: Some a result of bad breeding, some is bad ownership, and some is dog being dog as once they were bred. Any combo of those is a recipe for disaster.
Stay safe – may your heart and body mend. | |
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| Simba was killed today by 3 pit bulls & I was mauled!
Posted: 6/6/2007 7:15:20 PM | Thank you and what you say is so very true. Simba was an American Eskimo which was the northern wolf cross bred with the Scandanavian Spits. They were not working dogs like the Huskies, they were the protecting dogs which protected the Inuit in the nomadic hunting days at night. Simba was a kick back wolf in a great number of ways and had been abused for the first 3 years of his life and then rescued and kept in a kennel for about 1 year. I suspect he was a product of an illegal puppy farm and that in itself is bad as no early bonding or human contact involved. He had been adopted out 2 times but you may know that this breed is not for the faint of heart (especially with his history). Well I who believe that love can have power, adopted him (and not knowing anything about the breed) and let me tell you for the first month I wanted to take him back BUT didn't.
He became my constant companion, he learned to play from other dogs, I socialized him from the get go with people and dogs. He learned happiness, even joy but after sundown you left him alone as Mr. Grumpy visited. We were together 10 years and he was ailing so I had to keep a very close watch on him but I learned his moods by the position of his ears. I was attached by someone once and yeppers Simba took care of that person.
I was in physical and mental shock most of last week and of course mourned profoundly. Then I was able to handle that he was gone but I am going to continue fighting for him legally now. See a lawyer tomorrow.
ANNOUNCEMENT: On Monday June whatever, I became a foster mom to Goldie a 9 year old multi mix who was terrorized by growing toddlers in her long term home and of course she started snipping, so lets not teach the kids how to behave, lets get rid of the dog syndrome. Goldie has been in a kennel for 1 year, had lots of opportunities to adopt her out but she now has zero tolerance for kids. I am socializing her with people and certain other dogs. She is a sweetie and she really needs me and I need her.
Oh by the way, I now carry pepper spray when I'm walking her. Still several pit bulls and other agressive dogs in this building. I will post a pic of Goldie soon in my profile and I am pleased to say that she is starting to relax in her new home but I know we still have a journey to go thru. Hopefully she will start to eat in the next day or two. Oh right, I don't let kids approach her. Mostly she misses her human friends from the kennel as she was their special pet. They even thru a party for her. I mean how many leads does a dog need and toys and treats!!!! | |
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| Simba was killed today by 3 pit bulls & I was mauled!
Posted: 6/8/2007 4:03:00 AM | | Found a kick a** law firm to take the case on contingency. They feel this will be a precadent setting and accute challenge to the implamantation of present and future laws. YYYYYIIIIIIIPPPPPEEEEEE. Onwer of firm is part of our animal cult also.!!! Loves pets. | |
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| Simba was killed today by 3 pit bulls & I was mauled!
Posted: 6/8/2007 5:48:27 AM | gtadaizee,
Congratulations on finding a compassionate lawyer. Of course, I know that it isn't about the money, though you intend to get a HUGE settlement. It is about setting a precedent and holding irresponsible people accountable.
If you get a settlement and they do not pay up, make sure to follow up and file for a lien, because they will probably try filing for bankruptcy, and whatever. The statute of limitations for filing a lien is two years, I think. Also, I am not a lawyer, and my info may be flawed.
You go, Gyrl!
I so totally feel for your loss, as you were lamenting the decision to have Simba put down, and then had to witness death by mauling. Yet, by finding that attorney, Simba's death will not be in vain, and he will be remembered as a martyr.
Simba was lucky to have such a wonderful Mommy to love!
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| Simba was killed today by 3 pit bulls & I was mauled!
Posted: 6/8/2007 3:27:30 PM | Nocturnal,
Statutes of limitations, and judgments' durations, vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction (province/state).
There is also a fair-to-decent chance that the pits' owners' home or tenant insurance would be obliged to defend, and perhaps to indemnify, against the claim, which makes the defendants' resources to fight greater but also provides an avenue of recovery (ie if they are insured, it doesn't matter if the individual owner lacks the proverbial pot or window). I find it ironic that insurance companies ask incredibly stupid questions on an application (I could go on for hours) but rarely- at least here - such elementary risks as "does anyone in your household smoke" or "what breeds, if any, of animals live in the household?"
Good on the law firm that takes this on and I hope you kick their a**. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2007 5:26:22 PM | Thank you all. Some home owners or tenants insurance do ask re dog but not necessarily the breed. This owner will not have insurance coverage as he is free loading on his mom. Yesterday mom asked if they could have one of the dogs back?!!!! Today on elevator came face to face with the two brothers of the 3 pit bulls on the elevator. They told me they feel bad, I said well I don't have my dog anymore and the B! said that he was out 3 dogs. I could have said so much but just left it at "don't lay that trip on me", fortunately my floor arrived right then. No the biggest defence is going to come from the property ownership and perhaps some employees. That's where it will get nasty.Had one of them tell me today that I lied about parts of it. I just said well when those 4 officers make their statements on the stand, we'll see whose story they verify. Really wanted to suggest to her that I'd get a lawyer if I were her husband. but didn't. Time enough when they get served the papers.
Goldie, the 9 year old I am fostering is getting more relaxed now around me and FINALLY ate something today (but only day #3), she sleeps right beside my bed, she even gets excited now when its time for her walk!!! and she mumbled something or other. No not a bark, but she said something!!!!! She is a very well behaved dog BUT I have to tread gently with her as she is still nervous re lifting or hugging her.
So could we go on and hear some wonderful dog stories, pretty please, I love to hear the crazy (nice) things that they do. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2007 6:54:30 PM | Daizee,
Keep good legal and medical records!
Just so you know, we are all on your sde!
Three days ago. I was asked (as a police officer) to check on a foreclosed house for intruders. I called for another car I carry doggie cookies with me in my patrol car..
Neighbors across the street had their big and little dogs running around, and I could tell that they were friendly. I grabbed some doggie cookies and appraoched them. I told them that there was a car on the way that didn't react to dogs as I do, and asked them to put them up for a little bit.
When the officers arrived, I was busy petting the critters. They put them up/
After we searched the structure, I gave them more cookies.
I got plenty of kisses.
Sorry, but this is the best I can do, today. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 8:47:43 AM | | Ok – here is a cute dog story (well I think so anyway). I had a corgi – Tedi. He was an adoption dog due to his dog aggressiveness, and I took him on. Tedi and I trained a lot to redirect his energies – and because he was smart and energetic, he sure did learn. He played dead better than any dog. I had a rubber gun and I would stalk him and come around a corner when he was just goofing off, point the gun, holler bang and he would literally throw himself on his side and be dead. He also skateboarded! Yep, he really did...except he could only go straight, never could get him to turn. And….he was the WORLDS best dog to play ball with. Not only would he run like the wind and return the ball EVERY time you threw it, but you could just put your hand out and he would drop it in your hand. Anyway – he was every little boys dream dog….they could play cops and robbers with him, skateboard with him and play ball with him. The long and short of it was that neighborhood kids were always knocking on the door and asking “Can Tedi come out and play?!” He was THE neighborhood dog and parents were thankful because their kids did not need to ask for a dog --- They had Tedi! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 4:00:34 PM | I wander if Queen Elizabeth's corgis could skateboard and can't you just see her running around with a rubber gun and getting her corgis playing dead! OMG 
I have finally heard little Goldie's voice and WOW it is a deep bark, you wouldn't think it possible to be coming out of her. Got a really good shot (pic) of her yesterday so will download it tomorrow. She's now actually waiting to pee outside, started eating last night (day #3), now just have to get her poop schedule coordinated. So far she goes out on the balcony. I can tell that she is getting used to me, shes' now following me all over the place and sleeps right beside my bed. Will have to look before I swing my legs out when I get up in the middle of the night!
Nocturnal I am keeping a diary as been confronted by the 3 pit bulls owner on elevator yesterday and someone accused me yesterday of lying about the attack? (yeh right I made it all up!). Things are going to get quite messy, I really don't want to have to move so I will have to get thicker skin. I warned the neurotic female yesterday about slander and she might think about getting her own lawyer if she plans to continue harrassing or hassling me!. My day timer is now my journal!
I can't wait until Goldie gets more and more relaxed so that I can pick her up and cuddle! She's come a long way in just 4 days! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 4:32:28 PM | Don't confront the pit owners if at all possible! Just keep the diary going, jot down any interactions. Whether you have thick skin or not, you do not want to give them any ammunition for court. Best of luck -- and by-the-way, the housebreaking sounds like it is working on schedule.
P.S. The Queen's corgis have nothing on Tedi. He was the best in so many ways. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 11:45:51 PM | Daizee,
Our laws are that a Pit has to be leashed and muzzled, and the owner has to carry $100,000.00 in liability insurance, amongst other things I cannot believe, well yeah I can, the insensitivity of those dogs' owners.
You asked for warm & fuzzy, so I will retreat to positive notes.
My "vicious" beast of a Rottweiler follows me everywhere he can, and he doesn't like to let me out of his sight. I only crated him for 3-4 weeks, so he has the run of the home, so you can imagine what an asset this is for dating.
The other night, I had a call for a missing juvenile (14). When I entered, they put their dog up as is standard policy, but me, being the Dope I am, went to my car and got dog cookies and asked them to bring the dog inside. We made friends right away, and the kids were in glee with the police lady petting their dog.
I "kidnapped" the kids (11 and 12) and we went hunting for the missing girl. These two kids had the time of their life! In the back of my mind were all kinds of liability issues if someone crashed into us, but the missing girl had never run away before.
Every house we checked had dogs, so the "Treat Lady" gave them all cookies. The one home we checked (the kids knew the houses but not the addresses) had three dogs. Her daughter was also missing. When informed that the missing girl was home, we stopped back at the other house to learn that her daughter was also home. I gave her a bunch of treats for her dogs until she gets to the store.
Then, the kids and I got back in the car. I told them I had a surprise before I took them home. We went to McDonald's and I got them milkshakes to thank them for all of their hard work.
It turns out that I am a bit familiar with the missing girl, and she is essentially a good kid. She works at a place where I drink coffee sometimes.
She laughed that I was the first police officer that has been friendly with her dog, a shepherd mix.
Down side of this story is that the parents (she lost her mother to breast cancer but loves her stepmom) want to ground her for the entire summer as punishment, and I think that is too severe. But this is for another thread I need to start. Let's keep things on the positive here.
We had a call for a break in, and one of the guys responding is actually a dog lover, but the dog wanted to take a piece out of him, judging by his bark and teeth.
I gave the dog some cookies and he never even barked at me. The owner secured him inside until we were done. Guys I work with joked: " If you had given Rich a cookie he would not have barked and would have licked you, too!"
Then again, I did get bit on the ankle in December.
Also, there were two loose Pit Bulls. One of them I encountered weeks ago, and he is a runner. There were two of them, one a brindle, who actually looked friendly, but I wasn't chancing it. I tossed them cookies from the car and called Kennels. The Kennels Officer was familiar with the runner, but has never been able to catch him. The sad part is that these dogs are not emaciated, so someone is feeding them and just not securing them properly. So much for a positive note? | |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:32:32 AM | Its great to hear so many nice stories about people and the animals that love them , gives hope for humantiy . I myself am a lover of Boxers and have had the pleasure of sharing my life with them . My last boxer , Gabby was my best friend and companion for years , she went to work with me for over 5 years until my divorce . The hardest part about my divorce aside from being apart from my kids was the loss of my dog , Gabby stayed behind to continue her job as protector of the house , when in reality you could have robbed us blind if you left her couch and gave her the box of her favorite cookies .
So much can be surmised when you watch how people interact with animals , it can show compassion or lack thereof as well their level of patience . I personally feel you can tell how a person will be as a parent by watching them with animals , lots of similarities about raising a dog and raising kids . As well as if you read up on many of our past criminals regarding murderers and rapists and the likes many times it has been noted that they were cruel to defenseless animals at a young age .
Now all that negativity aside I will say that I am hoping to find a puppy soon to enjoy life with , they dont care if I am fugly or what my financial status is lol . | |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:05:44 AM | Our Pit Bull Law is licensed, neutered or spayed, leash, muzzle. None of these did those 3 pit bulls have! I agree that the owner is usually the problem and I'd like to see severe consequences for the owner i.e. criminal record, jail time. I'm truyly sorry that these 3 pit bulls will ultimately be put to sleep but at least they will go humanely, not tortured and murdered. I am in Ontario and it is the hope of my law company to bring this issue to the forefront and use it as a precedent to punish the owner and reward the victim (no this is not about money , well it is in one way because I incurred severe bills NOT due to any criminality on my part, it is about the issue and putting the relatively new law to the test and get the public more involved. Property Mgmt here had 7 official complaints against these 3 specifit pit bulls AND THEY NEVER CONTACTED ANIMAL CONTROL. Each complaintant was under the understanding that they were in contact but it has been ascertained that that was not the case. I know you can't play the what if game BUT Simba would not have been tortured and murdered.
If we accomplish anything substantial then I want it called after Simba. He will have deserved it.
My new puppy (well she's actually 9 yrs) is coming along. She's starting to relax more and she is socializing well withpeople and dogs as long as we all take it slowly. Her bark just doesn't match her!!!! I look around for another dog!!! Her affection for me grows in small steps but we'll be great friends within a few months. Nice to have the companionship again. Of course it is not the level that Simba and I had after 10 years but time will work in our favor. I now walk with pepper spray which is not legal BUT if anyone deserves it I and my pet do!!!!!
So keep up stories and/or discussions, they don't make me hurt anymore than I already do. The important thing is that ALL people have to learn and get involved with issues of attack dogs i.e. stiffer penalities for the owners and plug the loop holes.
I can & &  BUT I'm holding it all together! Love to read other experiences and stories. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 4:42:28 PM | As I quoted in another thread:
Think about this:
If you can start the day without caffeine,
If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains,
If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
If you can eat the same food every day and be grateful for it,
If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time,
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment,
If you can ignore a person's limited education and never correct him,
If you can resist treating a rich person better than a poor friend,
If you can conquer tension without medical help,
If you can relax without liquor,
If you can sleep without the aid of drugs . . . .
THEN YOU ARE PROBABLY THE FAMILY DOG | |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 11:11:56 AM | D. Fox,
Oh, but they DO CARE about your financial status! Don't you know that besides food and shelter, you have to provide treats!
Boxers are great dogs, and in fact most dogs are spectactular.
Yesterday at the dog park, when several dogs got into a skirmish, I happened to be the closest person, so I broke it up. All of the owners said thank you, but I know I am an idiot.
I rather like my latest nickname, though: "The Pied Piper of Dogs!"  | |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 11:16:30 AM | Daizee,
If they had none of those, you can sue them Civilly in a very big way! But to collect is a different matter, so be abreast of the statute of limitations, and since you are working with an attorndy, make sure and discuss what if they do not pay. It might take you 50 years to collect Simba's settlement, but then you can leave it to the rescue of your choice, worst case scenario.
Fondest regards,
Miriam & Riley | |
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Posted: 6/11/2007 6:55:26 PM | I'm dog person.
I am off put by people who are not. I sincerely think they lack compassion. When it comes to dating if a woman tells me she doesn't like dogs I start losing interest fast. | |
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