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MsChar
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Joined: 10/4/2005
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| Reporting And deleting Main images yerrrrrrrrr right..NOT
Posted: 4/10/2007 8:56:50 PM | holy cow .. is it just me ? or does anyone else think that admin runs this site not us! so lets play by the rules and get on with forums that have really something to say ! again a big thanks to bigfish for a great site !!
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Posted: 4/10/2007 9:20:59 PM | | thanks Arugula. my pic of me having make up on my face gets deleted, and it is reported by the childish people of Thunder BAy. Censorship my ars. Arugula, your legs pic, was nothing. I aM NOT NUDE, or have my man boobs showing, I dont haVE ANY btw. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 10:35:59 PM |
Sorry, but I have a right not to see a lady (or man) putting their bodily parts in a provocative position that absolutely puts out a specific message. You CAN do that, in a more secluded fashion and not subject others to it who might not want to be subjected. Your right to have your main photo be something that is objectional takes away the rights of others (like on this forum for instance) not to be subjected to it.
Except, apparently, looking down her blouse at a pair of boobz is appropriate, but me having a quite innocent pic of a cat is not. Hmm. I guess me having my cat up is taking away your "rights", but a boob shot, as long as your face is in there, isnt. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 11:20:43 PM | notice the "report non-human image" is gone from the profiles.
Not to be picky, but "welderwantedthis" is there not showing her face, but touching foreheads with welder... oh my god! She found someone on POF!! She has a picture with him that isn't showing her full face!! Delete!!! Delete!!! (Sorry, welder & mate, but making a point).
Gardennut! Oh my god, its a "face shot", but she has those damn flowers in front of her face!!! And damnit, she's found someone on POF too!! Delete!!! Delete!!! How dare these people that have actually *found* someone on POF still be here! They can't possibly have *anything* useful to add to the forums, or any useful input to anyone, can they?? (Sorry, gardennut, again, making a point).
Lets just remove them all! How dare these people be here not showing their full faces to the world (albeit, they've found someone)! God forbid!
Shame, I notice a good percentage of people in this thread now have no pic at all. A few, like drg, who sometimes had some really good things to say in the forums, are gone entirely. But I guess thats ok, because he didn't have a face pic, right? After all, he had nothing useful to say, did he? Not like you can possibly have any useful input to people, perhaps even *help* people, if you don't have a face pic up. Sad how many people in the past few days, who's views I *really* valued in the forums, are now gone... very mature and reasonable people, with some good input... but hey, they didn't have a face pic up, obviously they are useless, right? After all, everyone is just here to see a pic and say "ugly or hot" and pick a mate based on looks... who cares about personality and letting them express who they really are.
Geez, I mean, I don't always agree with "tdh", but he has some good things to say sometimes...but damn, if he removed his picture and put up a picture of a corvette, thats it! His whole personality is gone! Delete! Delete! He can't possibly add value to this site without a picture! God forbid, "visualise_it", if you didn't have a picture up, you'd be a non-entitity, we wouldn't care what you had to say, you wouldn't even exist as far as the rest of us are concerned! Send them to the concentration camps! They have no value! (sorry for anyone that takes offense at that, I'm not saying it lightly, but trying to make a point... wholesale devaluing of a portion of a population based on their religion... I mean whether they have a picture up... this is a *good* thing?). | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 12:33:27 AM | I think I haven't shown enough sympathy to the cause of the people who are demanding head shot photos in my past posts ... I apologize ... I got caught up in my own agenda ... Why should anyone have to look at my photos if THEY don't wish to, or are simply sick of looking at them? But they should not be able to dictate what others (or I) may post or see ... that still is bogus. Before this all came up it really wasn't an issue for me ... The reason I said "If it isn't broke, why fix it?" but after reading every post I'm more sympathetic to some people with valid points ... which I hope you'll sympathize with mine as well, when you calm down. (See my other posts... I don't wish to keep saying the same thing over and over)
I think a better solution; if it can be done in a reasonable way, and only the big fish or a programmer can answer:
Instead of users having to rat out a photo they do not approve of, having it removed from the system totally; Couldn't there be a check-box to remove that image from the offended party's search only ... Not removing it from the system?????
Or a "block this user button" thus never displaying on the offended users account again????? Putting that on a list applicable to that user account only, with the option to clear it later if desired (people do change) ... Leaving that profile on the system to remain for other interested searchers. (However this feature might be a bit counter-productive to someone who just had a lousy profile at the time) .... Maybe remove it for 30 days, then it goes back to default non-blocked status?
I know there are a lot of users, whom I simply wouldn't jive with, and it would be nice to be able to skim over them, instead of searching through those every time, I do a search ... so this COULD be an added bonus .... And it wouldn't violate their own freedom of expression, allowing users who would enjoy their photos or profile the choice to choose them in all their natural glory.
I guess once the bickering is over, we can all come to a mutual solution if technically possible. We should all be allowed to enjoy this site as much as possible and in our own way ... as we are all individuals and have individual needs ... but we shouldn't impose our views on others whom we disagree in rigid fashion. We should at least form a solution.
Let's brainstorm and we'll need some technical input from Big Fish ... Stop calling one another names and deleting photos that some members wish to see or display.
Does anyone agree with my proposition??? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 12:41:02 AM | Sicne I have not posted to thoughts or $0.25 worth on this thread, I thought that I would walk into the lair of comments.
First of all, it is Bigfish that sets the rules, and if you do not like them then you can make your decision accordingly. One of the decisions is to abide by them. The other is to leave.
Although I do not agree with the decision, I do abide by the rules. For me, I also feel that posting things is an expression of one's self and should be allowed to be done. If someone does not wish to post a face pic, then they can go with no pic, as I have done. I have the feeling that I wish someone to like me for me, and not for what I look like. I am not a piece of meat and do not wish someone to be deciding on whether to contact me or not by looking at me. I also do not look at peoples pics. I look at what they have to say and what their preferences are. Things like smoking, drinking, drugs, interests, etc. I want the person inside, not the shell.
The other side of this debate should also be what about all those people that are either looking for "other relationships", "Intimate relationships", or are in professions that they do not wish to be identified by. How do they post a pic of themselves and still be able to hide their face?
My feeling is allow people to express themselves in the way that they wish, but do not allow things that would be against public values. I think that as adults should have sopme discretion and use it when posting. Nude photos, revealing photos, should not be allowed.
Maybe the rules have gone a little overboard, but people still have choices. The can post according to the rules, the can leave, or they can decide not to post anything. The choice is yours. Remember that. | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images yerrrrrrrrr right..NOT
Posted: 4/11/2007 12:57:57 AM | I could only read so many pages before I skipped to the last page for my comments. I think if we are going to get our pictures deleted we should be allowed to know who let the Big Fishy know to do it. I did not have my face picture up because I am known in my area, but have had bad relationships and didn't want them to contact me. I also deal with stuff that is confidential where if I am out in the open if cause problems for others I deal with.
I am not looking for the other relationships that I saw referrenced to, or taking this as a joke, but looking for friends. If people looked at my profile history they could find my pictures at an event, but that would me they are interested. Now I have no way of catching someone's eye with my cat's picture which is like my child.
I think it should be an option, but I agree with the nudity taken out. If I wanted to see someone naked I would go to the stripers, I want to get to know someone's insides. Lately I have been in the forums more, reading and seeing the different opinions, and looking up POF meet and greets.
I am just shocked at who got the random pictures deleted and who didn't, because for the few of so many I was one right off the bat, and it seems very childish, when I had a face picture I could send when I got to know someone.
Thanks for the free dating site, but maybe the tattle tales should have to report in!
My 2 cents | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 2:38:39 AM | Oh that's a REAL mature outlook on things!
I'd expect better than that from a grown 49 yr old woman. Then again it always seems to be the elderly that are "set in their ways" and usually the conformists. Unable or unwilling to "step outside the box" and ever view things from different perspectives.
Actually, I miss the old pics. Guess after you pass "elderly" and get to ancient, you loosen up again. . . . Or maybe the "young and immature" are set in *their* ways of looking at other human beings. . . . ya think?
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Posted: 4/11/2007 3:08:44 AM | Visualize it,
You said that the following was MY rant:
<div class="quote">Freedom of expression. Ever hear of that?
She's not breaking any rules. She's not showing nudity.
What would (and do) you do if a person has a pic of themselves wearing nothing but swimming trunks?
Ex. a guy at the beach
OR a woman wearing nothing but a bikini?
Ex. A woman at a waterpark or beach
Would you be complaning about not wanting to see some guy's hairy chest or some woman's boobs in a bikini?
If you're at one of these places and see someone with a body you don't like are you going to tell them to leave or go put clothes on?
If you don't like it that's fine. You're entitled not to, BUT you're also entitled not to look at it either!
Do you think all the guys on here care to see pics of a 300 pound woman in a bikini? No, but some women that large chose to use those pics and that's their perogative.
It's called freeom of expression.
What are you going to start doing, censoring EVERYTHING on the net?
There are sites that tell you how to steal free satellite, hack cable tv boxes, hotwire a car, make your own homemade drugs, etc. on the net.
ANYTHING, you want to know or are curious about can be found online.
That doesn't mean everyone is going to go out there and do these things.
This information is "allowed" to be available though for informational/educational purposes (and believe me, although some of those things may seem shrewd and non-useful to you, there is ALOT that can be learned from it and used to actually do productive things).
There recently was (and I'm sure still is) some debate going on about sites that are up and running and showing women how to lose weight and be anorexic. Now sites like this may be harmful (just like many of the other aforementioned ones CAN be) but, it's free speech and is protected by the consitiution.
It is this freedom that allows people self-expression.
Would you rather be living in a society run by Dictatorship? Communism?
Being told what you can and can't wear? Can and can't say, read or participate?
Well, no, that wasn't MY rant. I don't know who said that but it wasn't me. If you are going to attribute quotes to me, please get it right. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 3:43:20 AM | Personally I don't care one way or another what pics someone puts up on his/her profile it's not my business. It's not for me to like or dislike.
Since the rule has passed may I suggest Admin selected avatars, from a visual standpoint it would make the pages more interesting and people who prefer to be anonymous would have a choice of having at least some sort of image. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 3:47:13 AM | Ironically, I got hit with this message not two weeks after I signed up with POF. I deleted my pictures and have had dozens of inquiries into WHY I was asked to remove them. Frankily, I won't put a picture of my face up on this site because I am from a small down. Also, due to my profession the last thing I need is for some local to see me on this site BEFORE I have a chance to talk with them. Anyway, I have discovered that MANY of the pictures that are up ARE FAKE FACE SHOTS. You would be amazed how many people on here have a FACE SHOT of their younger brother or sister, a friend or even a total stranger.
Since I was asked to remove my pictures, I have seen literally hundreds of pictures of everything from dophins to naked breasts. I find it so amazing that guy's can post shirtless shots, women extremely "suggestive" shots of themselves, and it is acceptable. Yet, if someone chooses to post a picture of a favorite place they are immediately thought to have..."absolutely no interest in using the site as a dating site."
I am not finding this to be much of a dating site anyway. However, it is EXTREMELY entertaining and I have had the pleasure of meeting some wonderful guys. It is your site and I will abide by your rules, but don[t be mislead by the belief that everyone who has up a FACE shot has up one of THEIR face!!!! | |
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Joined: 8/15/2006
Msg: 437 | |
| Reporting And deleting Main images
Posted: 4/11/2007 4:17:01 AM | I didn't read more than the first page and last. I voted to allow non head shots on the main pic.
Even if 1 out 3 want the ability to post non head shots on their main pic, that's a huge % of the POF community.
I hope POF takes the tack of inclusivity to all and let the individual present their own profiles the way they want to.
If people don't want to respond to non head shot pics, that's their prerogative. They don't have to. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 5:01:46 AM | In looking through the forums this morning one thing in particular seemed to really stand out... lots fewer photos or images on peoples posts.
So I guess this is working great for those of us who choose not to show a photo of ourselves publicly for whatever reason be it safety, security, lack of, whatever. It makes our playing field more even!
 
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Posted: 4/11/2007 5:39:10 AM | | I say this is some more lame shyt. But thats probally the booze talking. No for real, this is lame. Who really gives a fook. What someone uses as their main pic. I mean gawddamn. But whatever. Will use this site. Until it gets annoying. Then Ill find some other way. To waste time online. End of story, short but sweet. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 6:24:14 AM | It's just another example of discriminating against people who don't have heads. This has been on my mind because I have been shopping for a motorcycle helmet and noticed they don't make them for people without heads. I suppose they expect headless people to ride horses. It's the stereotype from that Halloween story about the headless horseman. Why can't we all just get along?
I went to report someone's picture because it was just their nose. But the page that popped up said I could have my account deleted for reporting pictures just because I was upset with the person. This makes me wonder, why else would anyone ever use the reporting feature to rat out a person for their picture? Do people actually spend their time policing the pictures here for any reason other than spite? I ended up not reporting the nose. I am better than that. I am a good person and dammit, people like me. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:37:56 AM | | ^^^^ I think the warning is there in the event you report a pic that is legit ( head shot ). People could just start reporting people that rejected them out of spite. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:41:10 AM | EastSideEddie:
AND I don't think other users should have the ability to delete pics. They don't. Never did. Why do you think that?
I looked and couldn't find it anymore, but there was a feature on POF that allowed users to "help" Admin and "screen" photos allowing them to delete the photos belonging to any user. The feature also allowed you to crop people's photos etc....
Glad to see it's no longer an option for users to delete other user photos....
And the reality for me of this whole photos issue is.....
If I can't post what I want, I simply won't post anything else either.... And if that means I will not have ANY photos on my profile, or that I use a different site that I feel meets my needs better, then so be it.
...It's the way of life; when things are no longer useful or relevant or meeting a person's needs, then they will not continue with that product/service and seek a replacement elsewhere. POF won't be any different. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:45:54 AM |
I looked and couldn't find it anymore, but there was a feature on POF that allowed users to "help" Admin and "screen" photos allowing them to delete the photos belonging to any user. The feature also allowed you to crop people's photos etc....
Glad to see it's no longer an option for users to delete other user photos....
That is/was under the photo rating link. User could only flag the photo for review by the mods/admin. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:47:56 AM | I have not read thru all of the 18 pages of Q & A's, but I kind of understand about wanting the main picture to be a facial. But why, if we are allowed up to 8 photos, do you keep deleting pictures of my HD?? As requested, they are not the primaries. What is the big " to do " if I show a picture of my bike??
Thanks!! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:57:20 AM | The way a site is built, perhaps you could figure out from the op, what the developer said, is that there are plenty of people who have chosen, in their search and mail options, to "only display people with photos"
To THEN end up, with propaganda, fake pictures, art galleries, pets, or cartoons, included in the mix, when all the person's search preference was, was to see people that only have photos, makes that particular option, completely useless.. It's just as big a waste of time as to search all of the profiles in the first place. A computer STILL cannot 'tell' whether a photo, is a face, or not.
In enhancing the website to suit people's preferences to see people with photos, of their faces, it streamlines an option that has always existed, yet been ineffective.
This option is something that needs to be implemented for three reasons.
1) so you don't inadvertently contact someone, especially if you're looking in your general vicinity, that might pose a problem or risk.. and
2) so people who receive messages from someone, can evaluate and discern who this person is.. if you're searching within 10 km of home, it's entirely likely you might set yourself up in an uncomfortable situation with someone you already know..
3) It lowers the instances of harassment, where a person who messages someone that 'only accepts messages from people with photos' is harassed by someone with a ridiculous logo instead of a face. If I were a magnificent looking man or woman, I would certainly see how lots of creepy people would message with a logo instead of a face, to harass someone.. yes they can still fake a face picture, but it still lessens these incidents.
Since this site does not discriminate between those looking for 'intimate encounters' and those looking simply for friends, I personally find it safer and less embarassing to be able to do searches in my neighbourhood, without running the risk of meeting someone awkwardly that's your cousin, friend, friend's boyfriend or girlfriend, or other. It can cause significant embarassment, not to mention, very awkward situations, where the people may have already gotten to the stage of being person to person.
They are not deleting profiles, they're deleting PRIMARY pictures of people who choose to not post their actual picture on the Primary Photo part of your profile. Those who choose to remain faceless, by all means feel free.. when I search with "only search those with photos" I think it's cetainly clear that's what I want to see, not an art gallery.
But if anybody knows anything about computers, there is no way for a computer to recognize that a 'photo' isn't a face.. and if people want to search the 'people with photos' it's only fair that to make it work for everyone, and to make the option open for those who choose to just see someone's face, be available as an option that works effectively. Again, it needn't be all your pictures.. just the main one which is displayed with your info when someone does a search.
Bearing this in mind, perhaps the op might implement something in the future for those who wish to post art and pets for self expression.. and still leave their first main photo shot blanked out so it 'isn't a photo' as far as the computer is concerned.. that might be the only way to fix it. If some of you don't understand the way the searches work, it's difficult from a programming standpoint.. and to be honest, the site is free.. do you want to pay for a programmer to implement facial recognition software, so the option becomes more specifically "Only show profiles or receive messages from people who's primary photo is a face"? C'mon y'all.. the more demanding the programming gets the more likely this site is going to wind up full of either pop up ads, or you'll pay big money for it. Appreciate what you have and use a little honour system to keep it real.
When I search for people with photos, or only accept messages from people with photos, I expect to see a face. Especially if it's someone I might already know. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 9:46:40 AM | if I am not allowed to have my pic of my makeup on my head shot, then women who like to wear lost of makeup, whereby they use a trowel to put on their make up needs to be deleted too then.
The idea of us showing off our fun side God forbid we can do that. I guess its head shots only, and me showing off a fish that I caught, standing behind it, is okay, you cant really see my face that well either. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 9:49:14 AM |
When I search for people with photos, or only accept messages from people with photos, I expect to see a face. Especially if it's someone I might already know. For searches you could simply tag one image as the search result image, require that one to be a head shot, and leave people alone otherwise to post as they wish. | |
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Joined: 11/3/2006
Msg: 448 | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 9:58:43 AM |
Time and time again i've seen that those kind of users have absolutely no interest in using the site as a dating site. Also be sure to report all shirtless guys missing a head. A good 70% of those photo's are fake. - Admin.
I’m a Pof fan, I’ve been on and off the site for years. I’m grateful the site exists, and for the admirable job that admin does. But I have a hard time seeing how a picture of somebody’s face as my “main” photo enhances the value or authenticity of the site.
First of all, it offends my liberal sensibilities that I can’t present myself any way I choose. It seems to me that a First Amendment standard should be applied. As long as my pics do not offend someone else’s race, creed, gender or sexual orientation and don’t include pornography - what’s the big deal?
Second, if I feel a picture of a barber pole best represents me, then shouldn’t I be allowed to use that as main pic? And in fact, who can better judge what I’m all about than me? And who does my choice of pic affect MORE than me? No-one. Any Poffer with an iota of common sense knows better than to think I’m a barber pole (unless they’ve met me of course) - or to think that a shirtless, headless pic should be relied on when setting up a date.
Third, requiring a facial photo to lend authenticity to a profile is ridiculous. What’s to prevent a person from posting a headshot of someone else? Stories of very old photos and doctored photos on Pof are legion. As the rule stands, I can post any picture of anyone, including myself, as long as it shows some part of that person’s face. How effective is that? A picture of my best friend posing as me tells you nothing about me. A picture of me and my best friend without further information tells you very little. A picture of me twenty years ago is no better a representation of me now than a current photo of my dog. Facial pics of people covering everything but one eye with hair and shadow are no more an accurate representation of their appearance than an impressionist painting. Requiring a facial shot without additional bona fides is a guarantee of absolutely nothing.
Fourth, as admin correctly expressed, many of us are NOT HERE TO DATE, are just here for the forums, or are not interested in dating right now. Some are pofers who found their SO. Some are folks who just enjoy the forums. Some are folks who are in the early stages of a relationship and are not prepared to pull their profile and withdraw from the Pof community. If a person is not on Pof to date what the harm in having a non-facial pic?
Finally, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ADMIN TO REGULATE VERACITY. It can’t be done in this format. There will always be fakers, cheaters and posers. If you want greater guarantees of a person’s identity and appearance join a dating site that does background checks. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:04:08 AM |
I'll tell you what I'M TIRED of........I'M TIRED OF SEEING ALL YOUR FACES.
I vote.................bring back the headless shirtless pics!!!!!!!!!!
me too | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:09:29 AM | Although I have my own personal "issues" with the concept of marketing myself on a dating site (it just seems soooo solicitous...), I have to agree with FeetOnly's statement about wanting to market oneself specifically to the kinds of people they want to attract.
What if my strategy is to withhold my image both to create mystique and prevent myself from receiving comments from those I don't wish to attract? I agree that images of scenery etc. (so long as they are not pornographic) are an expression of creativity and individuality.
Wow. If Gardennut has suddenly commited a faux-pas I have to wonder--as she's might be the sweetest, nicest lady on the system. | |
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