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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:23:38 AM | | I feel this is a FANTASTIC idea. It makes someone posting a profile put their best foot forward and show who they are supposed to be then. There is the option to not post a pic at all if one prefers to or to just send to a replier otherwise. I feel that this is going to improve on the seriousness of those intending to find someone else. The unwanted comments on such can be blocked and deleted. There shouldn 't have to be unwanted comments on someone's main pic then as they are just showing themself. A photo is like an artist's presentation to an extent, to show the "work" that you are. Not some scenery or such as that is not what someone else is looking to date. Anyone can go to the park and see plenty of scenery if that is what someone wants to look at instead. A face shot should never be put too close up though as who stands that close in person? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 11:15:42 AM | ^^^OK Loyal T, but I wanted my "leg" shot to be my main pic. I mean, that's what some lucky guy will be spending a lot of time looking up at eventually. So shouldn't I be allowed to show that?
And what about the intimate encounter folks? They might like to show their arched backs and behinds (clad in a thong course), or their upright willies tastefully draped in a dinner napkin, as their main pic. I mean, that's what they're looking for. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 12:29:05 PM | | There is nothing wrong with one showing his/her more "marketable" parts (lol), be they the ones "suitable" for "LTR" or "intimate encounter" (lol again), as long as the face is also on the pic. Simple, yes? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 1:26:56 PM | I am now a victim of the "delete" police. I had a pic on my profile which showed the lower half of my face, but you couldn't see my eyes. I really liked that pic, mostly because my son took it when he was four years old. I guess it offended someone, as it was reported and deleted. So now I have a tacky "do-it-yourself" pic as my main image.
Hope this pleases Big Fish. I'm not angry, just bitter .
Seriously, luv ya Marcus (is it MarCus, or MarKus?). I will adhere to your rules. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 2:18:14 PM | Jumbo Shrimp said,
For searches you could simply tag one image as the search result image, require that one to be a head shot, and leave people alone otherwise to post as they wish.
I think this is actually a very good comprimise between the two sides. I think both sides would be very happy with that. You should put this idea in the "Suggestions" forum. I would still like to see people being able to put whatever they would like as their main image. But the tagged image, the one that appears on peoples searches (the ones who only care to see peoples pics), would be the head or face shot.
The way I see it, the main image is what people see at the top of the page, that is what either makes them want to click on your profile or not. I think people should have a right to get creative with this, and not be limited to the same old boring head shot as everyone else. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 2:34:28 PM | I do not post and have no clue if I have done this right so forgive me if I have not.
POF POLICE are on the prowl... and no one knows if they abuse children,
old people or animals.... but we're gonna give them some power to abuse....
YES OUR PHOTOS!
My comment is simply this. I do not put up pics for one main reason on this site; that I have not to date read in any of the forums which concerns me as I work in the Human Services area and have seen many dangerous and careless mistakes via the net.
THIS SITE DOES NOT PROTECT OUR PHOTOS! has anyone noticed that you can simply right click your mouse on any darkened photo and "saved pic as" to your comp and clean it up to c the hidden pic? It can also be edited as well. This is dangerous...trained in internet safety(this concerns me), knowing that people can steal your indentity, put your head on someone elses body, be a stalker, send your pic to whoever for viewing, etc. Rather than complain about the deletingof images...should we not be lobbying for the protection of our pictures by the administrators.
I ask admin...since you require us to show our faces as private individuals who have jobs, family, and friends should you not protect us from the theft of our pics so we can feel safer putting them up. I know I would. I know other sites have this feature.
Why should all the the world have access to my face or anyone others face as our identities are our own. It is our right to feel safe. Just a thought.
Everyone wants to feel safe in life no matter where or why we are here and lets face it this world does not make it easy....smile we are all beautiful | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 2:58:04 PM | oh and while were all moaning why dont we stop having nick names !! yup that willl be next.. it falls into the same thing picture must be you so shouldnt the flippen name be you .. i hear sirens ohh look its the nanny police !! whats the point of having a nick name then... u look at the pic erm nope u dont look like flower pot... ocean wave .. so some people put a pic to correspond to there nick name !! thank god im english !! what happend to when we sent out people over to habit the usa did they lose whit and humor! thank god we didnt!!
this is just getting outa hand ... look if u dont like people putting a pic of a leg then use ur heads and move to something you do like .. cant people actually think for themselves or shall we rename this site to plenty of moans and political correct.com ,
the dating or friendship thing is supposed to be fun not like a cattle market .. is it a us thing that a lot seem to have no sense of humor do we uk people thing outside the box!!! to me it should be ur choice and as long as its not rude or infringe copy right then whats the flip-pen problem!! hell who knows if any of the pics u look at are current 20 years old or even of that person so can we all grow up .. and while the owner of this site has introduced many good things i think now its getting policed and that's a downfall to a expressive and fun site.. and its going to get like all the rest BORING BORING BORING!! ive done a lot of research and keeping things care free simple and humours is the best way to keep ur clients happy .. and i have years in marketing to understand this so let people express themselves by what pics they feel are correct for them and everyone else GROW UP if u dont like the pic then move to a pic u do like .. but isn't it the profile that's supposed to be the important part or are there to many VAIN PEOPLE on this site!!! maybe we should give out fines next.. and make women stop putting cleavage shots in .. but its there choice so lets leave it that way .. they say never mess with something that ain't broken!! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 3:18:04 PM | | Come on UKBrit...quit insulting the USA. You do realize that Admin (whichever one is Admin in that illegal pic) is Canadian? And the majority of the posters here are Canadian? And there are posters from many other places in the world here voicing their opinions? Oh, and don't insult Canadians either. The politically correct rule is to only insult your own. :) | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 4:31:46 PM | Jumbo Shrimp:
That's a remarkable idea.. and it might be a lot less complicated to implement that particular idea.
Just as one is not allowed to have a fantastic view of their buttocks on their driver's license, which is exactly the 'artistic expression' image you wish to present to the officer issuing you a christmas bonus, one should be reasonably identifiable if they send a message to someone else on this site.
The main profile pictures should be tagged, both searchable as a face photo, and identifiable for sent messages. The problem, as I said before, has more than one reasoning.
1) The primary photo, as shown on profile, happens to be the image that this site uses in it's searches. It is programmed that way.
2) Users have a perfect right to only receive messages from people with photos. If it's got to be dumbed down further than that because some of you want people to have to rifle through your profile to actually see a face, then I suspect many would have a photo other than the face on the front cover.. then if their view setting is on you'd know they viewed your profile, and, they would have spent a minute or two to open a brand new web page with your entire profile on it, and all of a sudden, your entire profile encompasses their screen's real estate. Yes, good marketing tool.
3) If there's any liability issues to be had, I'd like an image to at least reflect a person's age and gender.. It may be a dating site, but don't think for a second that it's immune to being used by children and teenagers. I prefer to see a face for more than one reason.. and I would like to see an age appropriate photo of someone which I may compare, to further images that may be sent inside a message. The site may be free, but who wants to make the mistake of not being able to quickly spot someone under age ? Who wants that issue? NOT I...
The admin can't be omnipotent, and he assumes a lot of risk running this site. He can damn well make the rules. The honor system keeps this place as clean and safe as possible .
Seriously, people. Unless you're butt ugly like me, and don't want your face on your profile at all, it puts everyone on an equal playing field, with the exception of people who otherwise insist on breaking the rules, or decieve..
I'm pretty sure the admin is just trying to put every last user on here on the same playing field to the best of his ability. The 'tagging' for facial picture idea may be a good compromise for all.. but there are some people on here who still would rather prefer to argue about how 'against their rights' it is. Well I've got news for ya.. It's against my wishes to have to sort through a profile to actually find a picture of someone's face..
Maybe that's because I try to look for an honest face in the crowd.. either way, when I get messaged or search profiles, I coast right by the ones without the faces.
This programming has been part of the pof site since it started, and now it's being enforced. How much more intuitive programming do you think this site's users are going to be able to ask for, for free? Because what some of you are asking for, swings the unfairness in the wrong direction.. unidentifiable faceless people should not come up on searches where the users expect and select, to see a photo of a face.
Devil's advocate.
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Posted: 4/11/2007 4:53:21 PM | | It was hard to get my face in my body shot....I almost had to bang a hole in the wall and climb through it to get the picture to fit POF"S image size..everytime I loaded my body shot with head i got the body and not the head...grrrrrrrrrrrr...but its fixed now. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 5:02:34 PM | | Can someone explain why it isn't ideal that every one be free to put whatever image they want to ? Why should someone who just wants to talk/email have to post a face pic ? because you wnat to "know" who you're talking to ? that's ridiculous... | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 5:12:41 PM | xamo wrote: Can someone explain why it isn't ideal that every one be free to put whatever image they want to ? Why should someone who just wants to talk/email have to post a face pic ? because you wnat to "know" who you're talking to ? that's ridiculous...
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I think there may be many reasons for this happening.
People are given an inch and take a mile, to use an old cliche.
Many push the envelope and take this main photo, albeit their 'marketing tool', as far as they can. Some pictures are way too riske', even if some of you don't think so. I am not here for a meat market, but to meet real people.
ok, call me a prude, but I prefer not to see peoples' ideas or expressions of freedom when it involves marketing their groin or breasts. Not when it is the main picture that is visible in forums, for instance. They ARE free to do that via other alternatives. And those who want to look at them are free to seek viewing in many alternate ways.
I am not against pictures of other things, but I see other people ask questions like "what are you trying to hide" and I think that in a place like this, it's a valid question. I guess people are getting away with too much junk and not enough sincerity about letting others know who they are, though there may be exceptions.
I like to see who I am corresponding with, not to judge them, but I like putting a face to a conversation, a real face without body parts that distract or are distasteful for the general public viewing. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 7:37:07 PM | I just don't see how this is anything other than an arbitrary and capricious attempt to solve a pseudo-problem that would be better solved by individual users reporting abuse to the admin on a case by case basis.
The propsed remedy assumes that a head-and body shot is the end-all and be-all way to identify and recognize someone on the internet. While that assumption might hold true for the majority of users, it removes from those same users the capacity to choose what they think best represents them. In some cases, it forces them to expose what many would like to keep private. I have a rather shocking looking scar (can't see it too well in my pics, but I promise, it's there- PM me for a better view!) that runs from my temple to below my right eye. While I think it looks very attractive, especially juxtaposed with my nice, blue, eyes, not all those who are similarly scarred would wish to be forced to show it to the world in their dating profile. Allow users the chance to explain to potential mates whatever differences they have before they "meet" online face to face. Don't compel these "face to face" meetings. Don't put the burden for fixing this "problem" upon those users who wish to express something different from the mainstream. Instead, Admin, I ask you to reconsider whether or not your proposed remedy goes to far while solving too little.
Allow your users to select what represents them best, within the bounds of taste and the law. Anything less than allowing users this choice removes your users' voice.
To extend the logic behind this new rule, Admin should get his administrators to chose which picture on any given person's profile is to be their main picture. From what has been said by Admin, PoF has an idea of what type of picture best represents a the millions of users on this site, the largest relationship and dating site on the net. Even if that idea is correct for, say, 90% of the users, there are litterally hundreds of thousands of users whose choice and voice would be diminished by this rule.
Balance the loss of that voice for so many users against the deletion of whatever "fake" profiles exist, bearing in mind that most of the fakes out there are obvious and juvenile. Respectfully, Admin, your users are smart and often sophisticated users of the internet. Allow them the courtesy of deciding for themselves whether or not someone has posted a fake pic, or better yet, simply put a link that would allow the reporting of a fake torso pic (think those underwear models we only see from the neck down.) That would accomplish the same goal, while allowing real users the creativity and voice needed to keep this site vibrant and alive.
To the users who would like to see only face pics (think mugs shots!) and don't wish to see pictures of other things, remember that the internet, unlike other media, is "Pull Only". That means, unlike Television (pre-Tivo) you as a user have control over who you see, and which profiles you browse. Feel free to reject those who post a dog, motorcycle, or torso as their main pic. To ask for otherwise puts you in the position of making other's decisions for them. I ask any user who has advocated for this change to post a reason why they are entitled to advocate for changing all those profiles you don't agree with. The only person with the authority or legitimacy to act in that way is the Admin, and I am grateful for this opportunity to speak out against the proposed change.
Finally, think about why we're all here. Imagine if someone were to miss out on the chance of finding love- True love- because their profile which had a pic of some dog, motorcycle, or whatever, was deleted. There is more, much more, to life than a mug shot. Please give us the chance to find that love, that visceral response to a seemingly random photo. Remember that different people respond to stimuli in different ways. Imagine a widower on this site who comes across a profile bearing only a view of Diamond Head Volcano in Hawaii, a view he had seen years ago, with the same lighting, the same angle... and this memory brings back a wave of feeling and postively predisposes that person to the owner of the profile. Similar, shared experiences can be more important that a mug shot to those looking for love.
Again, thank you for an amazing and thoughtful site. Please keep it that way, and allow your users the chance to express themselves as they see fit, not as you decide by fiat. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:17:56 PM | ARGH.. To repeat myself for a third time...
1) It enables a part of the website that was previously IN EFFECT but not ENFORCED, to be used, to provide users with the option to "only receive messages" and "only review profiles" with photos. Not photos of your boobs, your bum, your truck, your dog, or your favourite brand of beer can.
2) Users have the ability right off the bat, to discern if the person that messages them, (default profile picture shows immediately) is known to them BEFORE they initiate contact, or reply. It saves them accidentally meeting their best friend's ex husband, their boss, their boss's boss.. do ya get that part? Some people like to be selective and search in their own neighbourhood.. the chances are darn good two people that know each other can accidentally wind up in an embarassing situation, especially since the website does not discern difference in the searches between those looking for friends and those looking for a romp in the hay.
3) It tends to curb abuse and harassment, by requiring a person to be semi-accountable for their behaviour.. especially since the majority of the people on here DO post their own pictures..
4) You are able to discern to a reasonable extent, that the person you are messaging is of the age, and gender, that they say they are, give or take the low percentage that lie about it.. those who choose to further pursue contact have some basis for comparison on their initial contact. If you see a photo and the person you meet is not like their photo, you stand a good chance of identifying a problem. This includes minors who may scout the site using fake photographs. That covers YOUR butt. People can be smart enough to meet in public, but they're not always smart enough to check a person's age.. unless there happens to be a problem with a photo.
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5) The rule has been long standing for ages.. it has just not been enforced until recently. Did it ever occur to anyone there might be a reason why that the admin wishes to keep on the Q/T?
I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but if you think it's stupid, go somewhere else, or go without a picture altogether.. Unless you know the difference between a man and a woman when you're typing in a box, don't start telling me you wouldn't want at least one shot of a person's face somewhere in their pictures.. and if you have to open every profile because you asked to search for "only those with photos" and everybody's freakin pets were the primary picture, you would soon find the entire website doing that. I have a funny feeling some people on here are miffed about it because their profile got more traffic from people looking for an actual face amongst the pictures.
The site is free. The rules are clear, the rules, are equal and fair, to everyone. Your shiny Harley or your cute puppy, won't draw anymore.. you're just going to have to rely on your face, or an empty box. Why whine about the rules on a free website anyways?
By the way.. the laws may be different in different states and countries.. this is a multi country website now. Freedom is an advantage only some of our countries have. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 10:24:28 PM |
I ask any user who has advocated for this change to post a reason why they are entitled to advocate for changing all those profiles you don't agree with.
This isn't change, this is enforcement of pre-existing directive that was in effect when I signed up to this site. It was one of the reasons I felt comfortable putting my mug out there for all to see, knowing that others were doing the same. Where in lies the problem with this? Just be creative other than the primary shot like everyone else! If you all read the directions when signing up you could have choosen an alternate site at that time if you didn't agree to the terms. Get over it . . . read the rules before you enter and either abide or move on!
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Posted: 4/11/2007 11:00:16 PM | Ok, Vixen, thanks for the input. From what I can tell, your point is that "others were doing the same" so you did as well. Now, I suppose the next step is to tell me why "others doing the same" thing makes that thing valid.
In terms of getting over it- I'm neither over it, under it, or really in any way involved in it. The proposed change would not effect my profile at all. All it would mean is the deletion of potential partners. And everyone loses given that scenario.
Again, as to your "read the rules before you enter...or move on" please re-read the initial post. Admin is actively soliciting for user's opinions on the change. He hasn't yet said to abide or move on. What gives you the right to do so? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 11:53:45 PM | I thought I left an opinion yesturday, but found that it was deleted today. I thought we were asked our opinions on this topic, yet some how, I was disappointed to realize it depends on what is written.
I am on the no side because I run a support group that is high on confidentiality. I used my cat picture so my friends knew who I was and wouldn't try and hit on me, but then maybe I could meet others. Looking at the opening message and reading about most people with other pictures then face pictures not taking the dating sites serious really bugged me. I do take this seriously and have met some great people off of this site. I exchange pictures when I am comfortable, and that should be an option as I thought it was. I am sorry I didn't catch the rules when I signed up, but after I had been in abusive relationships, I really don't want them to contact me ever again.
Is there no happy medium for us to reach an agreement? I might not have been here as long as some of the members, and I appreciate that Admin. set up this site, but how can I show what I am about if no one will look at my profile? No picture, just skip me? I would like to have some way to show I am not trying to be something I am not. I am here in as a serious person, and the picture I show can be proven by people I have met. Is there no other way we as a whole group can reach a happy medium Adm. so that us without face shots, can catch someone's eye? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 11:59:30 PM | | My picture was deleted which was a sunset of a New Zealand skyline. I'm so sorry this was offensive to ADMIN. Some days, I just don't feel like having my mug front and center! Now do I want to see random body parts of others? not really, but it certainly says a lot about the profile and what kind of message is being put forward. What was my message? Like sunsets, walks on the beach... | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 1:20:46 AM | It never ceases to amaze me the way people react to change.
I read many posts that for some reason or another, thought that one ‘ MUST ‘ have a picture posted to remain with the site. WROOOONG!!!!!!!
I read posts where people thought they couldn’t have other pictures on their profiles. NOT!!
I understood exactly what the OP said, and agree with it.
What many fail to realize is that the Admin is kind enough to ask us our opinion when he decides to possibly implement a change. In reality he doesn’t have to ask us diddly squat. POF is not owned by share holders. It’s not run by a government agency. You pay nothing to be here.
Judging by the outcome to date, I think the change will be put into place, and I am 100% for it! The site may loose a few for doing so, but I say good riddance to them.
Just proves once again that you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.  | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:17:28 AM | What about wrongful deletions? My main pic, which clearly showed my profile, was deleted. Is this someone maliciously and falsely reporting my pic? Does Admin review the accusations?
That pic was on a diskette which has since thrown away and only existed on this account. How can I get my pic back? | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:41:44 AM | | don't know if it's been said, but instead of requiring head shot's they need to include full-body shots. Overweight people seem to keep the "just the head shot" pics, and don't give the full picture | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images is policing by attitude
Posted: 4/12/2007 9:41:40 AM | i think discrimination is the word for all of this now and there is a flip-pen law against !!
people have choices if you dont like what you see then move to a pic you do.. why are so many people so flip-pen VAIN !! and giving people a free hand to report people well thats like give guns to brits .. and thats why in this country we dont go round killing each other over nothing and our police arnt armed !!
rules are rules but sometimes some rules go way too far !! well done Markus .. u have upset the masses on both sides ! where has all the fun gone .. ohhhhh sorry i forgot this is another cattle market site .. line up please .. no headless shots .. yup please stand still as there no blurry shots.. oi come here ur too far away .. oi get that dog out of the picture he looks like a cartoon cherector.. need i say more!! god there are some up ur .... people. in the end it should be about choices .. and not letting other police this site.. !!    | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 9:51:52 AM | | I'm wondering if anyone else has notice that some profiles can not be reported. There is no option underneath their photos to click on. I've also notice that this is commonly on profiles that are on the Top 500 list. | |
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