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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:02:38 AM | ^^^ No it's only women that have selected "intimate encounters" as their dating preference. They seem to be excluded from the non-headshot pciture ban.
They are not excluded from the ban, it would seem to be a glitch and I am sure it will be worked out as soon as possible.
All the work that admin has done to the site seems to be leading up to photo searchability and email acceptability.
No photo = no contact
No preference = w or w/o photo
You want to read cartoons = get the paper
You want to see landscape = go to the park
You want to see gardens = go to the conservatory
You want to see animals = go to the zoo or local humane society
You want to see children = let's not go there, it is creepy enough
You want to meet people = lets see who you are and let's talk
You don't walk up to a cartoon, landscape, garden, animal, or child and ask to get to know them.
Personally, I believe the VAST majority of users on the site prefer the headshot photo. It is the minority of forum users who already attend many local events that already know each other in person that are having the problem with this.
Those who prefer not to post a photo of themselves for personal reason should be given the option to display in place of the photo.
AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST Maybe admin can add that to the profiles.
JMHO. 
And for a FREE SITE there are plenty of options that you do have some INPUT on. Try that on all the other PAY SITES | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images is policing by attitude
Posted: 4/12/2007 11:05:41 AM | ^^^BUT, simply ensuring that the user must have one clear headshot (have you seen some of those blurry ass photos where the person could be 20 or 60, male or female, or animal or plant?) in their profile, without requiring it be the main pic, would allow all of those functions you talked about.
Personally, I love the "photo" filter. In my own experience, it's the married guys who don't post photos, but happily send one along in an email. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:09:25 AM | When I vote for the NEW IMAGES if it is really blurry it probably is. So I choose to DELETE
In the Report Main Image for not being a visible head shot... I would include those shots in the NOT VISIBLE idea.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:29:48 AM |
THIS SITE DOES NOT PROTECT OUR PHOTOS! has anyone noticed that you can simply right click your mouse on any darkened photo and "saved pic as" to your comp and clean it up to c the hidden pic? It can also be edited as well. This is dangerous...trained in internet safety(this concerns me), knowing that people can steal your indentity, put your head on someone elses body, be a stalker, send your pic to whoever for viewing, etc. Rather than complain about the deletingof images...should we not be lobbying for the protection of our pictures by the administrators.
I ask admin...since you require us to show our faces as private individuals who have jobs, family, and friends should you not protect us from the theft of our pics so we can feel safer putting them up. I know I would. I know other sites have this feature.
What you ask for is impossible.
If you're looking at a picture on your computer then that picture now resides in your computer. You have your own copy if it. Saving it fom the screen into a file is utterly trivial.
Any dark picture can be made more bright by any number of utilities, some of which you get when you simply install the drivers for your video card. Others you must get explicitly.
99.9999% of the time you can right click on a picture and "save as". Where you can't you can always use a graphics program to take a screen shot and you've defeated whatever attempts have been made to stop image theft.
I'm not advocating image theft or manipulation, obviously that's wrong, I'm just pointing out there is absoluely nothing you can do to prevent people from doing it.
I agree a "show users with headshots only" checkbox is probably the wisest thing to do. The new rule has taken some of the fun away. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:37:17 AM |  ^^^Jumbo Shrimp...I agree! This is no fair. I think a nekkid shot should be required as well. You never know what's hiding under there. There was a sexy pre-op transexual in the forums a few weeks ago making the guys drool until someone pointed out the little bulge in the bikini. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:54:35 AM | Looks like this rule isn't only for main images because they deleted my other pics.
And I don't agree with that rule.Not everyone is looking to meet people in here.Like me for example.I even say so in my profile but people keep emailing me asking to meet me,because they all think I'm looking for that. | |
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Joined: 11/3/2006
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| Reporting And deleting Main images
Posted: 4/12/2007 12:08:06 PM |
Why can't we have the option of seeing the back of the pictures in case anything is written there?
I want two witnesses and a notary stamp next to the "body type" selection.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 12:30:42 PM | Looks like this rule isn't only for main images because they deleted my other pics. That might be a system glich that Admin might look at? I think the primary pic appears first when you look at somebody's profile. However, if you click on a secondary pic, now that pic appears over the "report image if missing headshot" tag. So really PoFfers can report any pic on a profile, not just the primary pic. I don't think that was originally the Admin's intent; it's mentioned a few times in this thread that non-headshots were ok for secondary pics, the primary pic is the only one that is required to be a headshot.
Allowing women specifying intimate encounters to post boob and fanny primary pics seems like a glich as well. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 1:48:58 PM |
What you ask for is impossible.
If you're looking at a picture on your computer then that picture now resides in your computer. You have your own copy if it. Saving it fom the screen into a file is utterly trivial.
Actually, completely untrue. You can set a no-cache header, you can fix the image "saving" pr0blem in javascript... I do this for a *living*, we have an employee picture database at work, and while you can view a persons picture you *cannot* save it. Please don't presume things cannot be done when in fact they *can*, if implemented properly. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 1:56:57 PM | | If you do that for a living, you ought to know that a screen capture will copy the image as it is displayed on the screen. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 1:57:19 PM | I like the idea, but WHEN YOU GET A REPORT ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE IMAGE BEING REPORTED!!!
I had someone report mine, and wtf? Am I a non-human or a headless torso? I thought it was a good picture! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 2:13:04 PM |
THIS SITE DOES NOT PROTECT OUR PHOTOS! has anyone noticed that you can simply right click your mouse on any darkened photo and "saved pic as" to your comp and clean it up to c the hidden pic?
And THAT basic little computer skill just came to your attention? You can do that on any photo anywhere unless some javascript is in place that disables right click, and ctl-c to copy. Been that way for like 20 years now.....
Wow..... | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:00:26 PM | "If you do that for a living, you ought to know that a screen capture will copy the image as it is displayed on the screen."
Very true... however, given the number of people I've seen on here that can't even manage to rotate a sideways picture of themselves 90-degrees to make it normal, one might wonder about the percentage of people who could accomplish saving a bmp of their window and calling it up to crop just the image out! 
You can never make things impossible... you can save a real-media stream if you know how, you can only make them a lot harder for the "average" user to do. Right now, there is *no* security on it, anyone can click "save image as" with limited skill. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:02:32 PM | ...And this is the part that is scary...the PRINT SCREEN option. Not only gives you all the information on the person's profile but the Pic as well...comes out very clearly.
Thus this site being Free and all...seems to be attracting more that our fair share of people with a 'Few Screws Lose' type....you just never know where your info will be put in display...
Maybe in a public washroom, at work on the Notice Board, on a telephone poll...in a new paper with the caption 'Wanted'...oh my the possibilities are endless.
Just think about it for a second...
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:08:20 PM | radical idea:
have a specially designated "headshot / main-image" space / slot / what-have-you, and require that it be a headshot. in a person's profile, it will be first, and be specially bordered; however, people may upload any other pictures they like and those will not be monitored.
it might be as simple as allowing someone not to have a default photo, and if they do, it has to conform to XYZ etc... | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 3:31:19 PM | For Belgarion: (By the way, awesome set of books!) I seem to be reiterating this point constantly, but this "reaction to change" has been invited by the owner of the site. He's asking the users of the site what they think about a new feature.
Yes, you've made the point (and from what I can tell, it's the only valid one made in this forum for the change) most other pro-change posters have made. "You pay nothing to be here." Yes, you are correct. PoF is not owned by shareholders. It's not run by a government agency. However, I fail to see, and you fail to make clear, how these points are relevant, given that Admin has invited the last twenty pages of comments, showing a clear intent to get a better understanding of what users think.
If users against the change were posting without being invited to do so by Admin, your post might have some merit (although we'll leave the question of whether or not PoF owes some duty to it's users for a ater date). As it is, your perception of how people react to change does nothing here to provide any factual basis for why the change is good. It simply puts you in the camp of those who have no clear or convincing argument for this change. You're simply stating your agreement with it without positing a reason for that change. The same could be accomplished by participating in the poll on page one.
Again, I invite anyone who believes in this change to rebut the argument that 1) requiring a specified type of photo results in a lack of choice to PoF users and that 2) the change would adversely effect those users who do not wish to post their face pics for any one of several reasons such as those posted in my arguments on pges 17 and 19 of this thread. | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images is policing by attitude
Posted: 4/12/2007 3:52:50 PM | Awesome, there's some good argument in Justachildlikeme's post.
Ok, as to the breakdown of fora available for those who wish to read cartoons, see landscapes, gardens, animals, etc, yes, you are correct. Those are appropriate places to view the posted things. However, that argument assumes that people post those those photos because they simply like to view the given pictures. If that were the case, the users would be better served by using google image search.
Instead, I propose that the users who chose to express themselves in a manner inconsistent with the "Headshot only" rule do so not because they like to look at their own pictures, but instead because they feel that the photo in question represents them "better" than a headshot would. Better here could mean that they simply cannot post a photo of themselves online without suffering adverse consequences (imagine someone in a small town seeking a relationship with someone of the same sex- a difficult position to be in, and one that would require a degree of delicacy to deal with. The site supports those seeking such a relationship by allowing users to select which sex they chose to been seen as "fishing for". To require these users to effectively "out" themselves with a full facial shot would go against the bounds of decency.
Further, while I don't like to be put in the position of advocating for adulterers, the site does allow the chance for those who are married to seek relationships as innocuous as friendships or as purile as intimate encounters. The change here would prevent those seeking a relasionship outside of marraige. In a worst case scenario, it might prevent a spouse in an abusive relationship from getting the help, advice, or comfort they need to move out of the abusive relationship. If Admin wishes to remove the possibility of adulterers seeking relationships on this site, he is, of course, free to do so, but the proposed method goes too far if this would be one of the stated goals of the proposed change. Allow users the freedom to express themselves the way they see fit, and simply reject those who report being married. Ironically, this solution would thus liekly create more fake profiles, as users will always seek sex on the internet (ladies, how many emails do you get in a day from one line spweing men?) Users would simply circumvent the requirements by posting some other photo that is not an obvious fake and keep on fishing.
Your personal belief that the VAST MAJORITY of users prefer this change has some merit, but please address how, even assuming that the vast majority do prefer the change, that majority has the right to prevent what may indeed be a significant minority from posting what they think is an appropriate representation of them or their likes, dislikes, ambitions, and desires. Again, for some, attraction can be as simple as a remembered scent, a forgotten sunset, that warm fuzzy feeling when seeing a photo that reminds one of an old pet. It's clear that, for you, you're looking for a face, a set of eyes, a look. That's fine, and under the current system, you can select for those traits by either asking a potential mate for a face oriented photo, or simply moving on. Just don't preclude other users from seeking what they find attractive or comforting because it might differ from what you're looking for.
Finally, you'll find that the pay sites often can be very responsive to user's input. They are (univerally) corporations. Corporations are driven by profit, which, in turn, is driven by the consumer base. Imagine what happens when a corporation ignores it's consumer base in a marketplace that is flooded with competitors. Freedom of choice drives markets.
My humble opinion. Thanks for a great site! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 4:04:32 PM | Fine idea! Eliminates a lot of the BS on here. I have a headless shot, but I never use it. Why do that, unless you WANT to get laughed at! | |
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Joined: 8/15/2006
Msg: 497 | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 4:25:30 PM | Huh...sometimes a Headless shot is preferable in some case. No directed at anyone off course.
Ok, I will shut up now!
Yes, Tolstoy...you are very well spoken/written and you do make a great argument for someone in the Law Business...plus your pic does not hurt my eyes!
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| Reporting And deleting Main images yerrrrrrrrr right..NOT
Posted: 4/12/2007 4:56:26 PM | [/Except, apparently, looking down her blouse at a pair of boobz is appropriate, but me having a quite innocent pic of a cat is not. Hmm. I guess me having my cat up is taking away your "rights", but a boob shot, as long as your face is in there, isnt. ]
I am not sure about your reply, since you posted it after a quote of mine.
I think other kinds of pictures that are not walking the like of porn are ok. I am kind of on the fence about that being a main picture, because as I have said before, this is a date site where people are looking for other people. Also, as I have said before, other pics can be posted inside the profile. They are not forbidden. It's simply a minor rule to have a real face on the main pic. Many sites do this, as I have had memberships on the other sites in the past. I never said a pic of a cat was taking away my rights, so I think you took my phrase out of context, or didn't read all that I wrote, for some reason. | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images yerrrrrrrrr right..NOT
Posted: 4/12/2007 5:09:32 PM | Oh my, bottleneckblooz, you are so right. That was not your rant, but another's.
My mistake, I goofed. It was another person and I mistakenly looked at one of your posts and you name stuck in my head for some reason.
Please forgive me.
Thanks,
Linda | |
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