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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:10:29 PM | I don't see why some of us have gotten our ex pix's deleted and other have not? What is up with this? My ex pic's were ok, nothing dirty, nothing wrong but they get pulled and I know of someone on this that has the wroing ex pix's and they are still on.
If you are going to do something to a site you should do it to all. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:16:39 PM | Msg. 252... I repeat... my cupcakes and cookies (and a strawberry) are gone!!!
 
I did not have all three as my primary picture (duh!)
... so why are they ALL gone???
I didn't realize I was breaking the rules, since I've always had head shots on my profile. A warning would have been nice...
SHEESH!
I feel like this site has lost some of its personality... some of its uniqueness.
Does anyone know how to paste my head onto a Hostess Cupcake??? 
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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:18:10 PM |
Oh my, bottleneckblooz, you are so right. That was not your rant, but another's.
My mistake, I goofed. It was another person and I mistakenly looked at one of your posts and you name stuck in my head for some reason.
Please forgive me.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:42:02 PM | | Ok, I guess I'm begging now. PLEASE GIVE ADMIN A DEFENSIBLE REASON FOR SUPPORTING THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO USER'S ABILTY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES. While you're at it, please give me a reason for attacking those who choose not to express themselves in the same manner you do. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 6:02:09 PM | | I think we should be more concerned about the profiles that put up pics of their kids on a dating site.... while it has ''friends'' options also has ''intimate encounter '' options. Think about the slimmy people that could be checking out your kids...... ewwww tsk tsk. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 6:32:34 PM | Actually I don't have a problem with it being the main image, however I tried to reload a picture and it was re-erased. I am big in to tattoos, love them but in my employment I have to keep them hidden. So yes my main picture was one of my back with my tattoos and my head. My profile was and is meant to be funny, and almost everyone who wrote to me thought so or mentioned it. I came on this site and it wasn't a problem, more importantly I had that picture up for months and now am told I can't. Part of creating a profile if your an average guy, is showing something different from the rest, personality, humour, etc, etc.
I did that, am I real?? Yes I am, do I respond to everyone?? No I don't, but I am respectful and if someone was to ask about my pic have no problem showing myself, heck even on cam, how can someone pretend forever, if you're here to meet people at some point you have to come forward.
At the very least since I put up a picture with my face why can I not show my back, it is a part of me and more importantly, it is not sexual or deviant in any way. I am not the only one, and most who have lost these pics were in the same boat as me, showing off a tattoo not skin in an innapropriate manner.
I for one am not impressed, worse case scenario, I understand you must have one photo of your face, but I think we have to be able to display our personality as well. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 6:46:05 PM | First of all, this is a multi jurisdictional site. No matter WHERE It is, it's in cyberspace.. there's NO such thing as discrimination in some countries.. so quit using the word willy nilly just because you happen to be blessed with that particular rule of law where you're sitting.
Second, If you don't want to post a headshot, don't post any pictures at all! There's LOTS of people on this website who don't post a picture of their face, and it does not prevent them from writing a profile OR searching others with pictures either!
By the way, I note the change the admin made today, it lets you scroll through all of a person's pictures.. while still in the search screen. I'd hate to pay the bill for the hosting bandwidth he has to buy to make that option available.. but thank you.. it allows you another option of making your headshot any one of the pictures you have on your profile, not just the one you post as the main one.
The whole point now, is that this is as far, and as more or less, optional, as the admin can now be about sites with pictures. Because if I want to search profiles and only want to see the ones with someone's face, I don't want to have to go through a whole lot of hassle getting a whole lot of dud profiles without a face. Put really simply, if you want faceless profiles, then don't post pictures, and you won't be exposed. If you want a profile with a face, then that option is open, and if you post your face, you can post other photos.
Computers are machines.. they cannot distinguish what is a face, and what isn't.. so the reporting of these to the admin is on the honour system, because it requires human intervention to determine if you're looking at a person, a dog, or a tush. If you abuse it, I am hopeful the admin may have the ability to delete the profile, of whoever reported someone's picture unjustly.
If you only wish to view profiles with headshots, anyone who does not have a headshot in the search results, should be reported. It's as annoying as junk mail. I may not know much about people sometimes from what they say on their profiles, but there are some who go with their gut sometimes, and look for an honest face.. it might be a strange or foreign notion to many who I am sure naysay, but still a human nature for some.
Thank you admin for asking for people's opinions, making the option for One of ANY of your photos to be a face, and making the "search people with pictures" option, more valid.. and more accurate! He obviously has been reading this forum and taking in the ideas and the debates.. and I applaud that.
Today's change, is as close as it gets.. to what you all have been asking for. Autonomy for your cover shot to be your choice. At least now they don't have to open your whole profile just to see your headshot picture. *grin* isn't that handy? It evens it out for those of you who have used sucker click pictures to get people to look at your entire profile. Now you can still scroll through the pictures without even going to the profile. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 6:52:32 PM | OK I just checked for myself and it is true that women seeking intimate encounters do not have the "report main photo" option.
I can just about guess what the "official" explanation for this will be, that is if we are given one. Apparently women seeking relationships, dates or friends, and are concerned about posting a picture of themselves for a variety of valid reasons are just out of luck, it's either post your face, post someone elses face, or don't post a photo. But women seeking intimate encounters get to put up whatever they want, I guess. I KNOW the argument will be made that it's a "safety" thing. I suspect that at the true heart of the matter it's about demographics and selling advertising space.
Let me say again that requiring a "headshot" as the lead photo IS NOT going to prevent outdated or even fake photos.In fact some people may feel compelled to make a decision between fake photo or no photo. I'm not going to go back over all that.
I just think it's funny that the complaint is that people are using this site for other than seeking dates/relationships,but women seeking intimate encounters can post whatever photo they want(as long as it's not indecent).
But you know what they say in the ad and media businesses..."sex sells."
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Posted: 4/12/2007 7:06:16 PM | | i've been on a few dating sites over the years and i've heard and seen the same problems on all of them. if you truely wanna take the doubt out of fake profile then one suggestion would be to have people have a photo with a "salute" which is a picture with a sign that has their user name on it ... that way everyone knows it's them and then it wouldn't matter if it's a picture of their body or their head, this is a dating site, so it's hard to think that everyone is looking for the same thing. some people are looking for a person with a nice safe profile others are looking for the profiles where the users are as close to naked as allowed, and thats their right. just my 2 cents, but i've seen it on other sites and it's worked well, at least the people who have the salute you can be certian are real, cause like most have pointed out anyone can use a fake photo that doesn't look mainstream. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 7:07:42 PM |
OK I just checked for myself and it is true that women seeking intimate encounters do not have the "report main photo" option.
I can just about guess what the "official" explanation for this will be, that is if we are given one.
How do you know it's not a bug? | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 7:15:01 PM | Music man,
It's funny how you say how annoying it is to you to have to click on someones profile in order to see a head shot, when, your main pic is soo far away, that if someone wanted to see your head shot they would have to "annoyingly" click on your profile.
If having to exert the force of moving your mouse over a pic, and pushing down on the button is annoying to you, I'd hate to see how upset you get when you have to do real work. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 8:14:14 PM | This all reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's speech...
and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,
But this site is moving towards self governance and accountability.
No one is forcing anyone to REPORT IMAGES, RATE NEW IMAGES, or DELETE posts.
But as you all have become aware, there are alot of people who do use these features and as long as it exists then it helps moderate the site.
Remember folks that priviledges such as the ones mentioned above are given, if they are abused they are taken away. Plain and simple.
Admin has put much thought into this before allowing the priviledge.
Please note:
That those user's with Intimate Encounters that do not have a REPORT IMAGE function that I am positive they will soon be dealt with.
Not many things run perfectly once implimented.... look at MICROSOFT WINDOWS.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 8:17:14 PM | Lostme...
You mentioned...
<div class="quote">I ask admin...since you require us to show our faces as private individuals who have jobs, family, and friends should you not protect us from the theft of our pics so we can feel safer putting them up. I know I would. I know other sites have this feature
I am a computer tech and to be honest with you, even if the admin did right click protect as you mention, there are other ways to get those pics for the people that wish them. Just like protecting your house with an alarm or bars on the windows. If the criminal wants to get in, then they will.
I think that the picture issue is a heated one, and I for one will not be posting one. If I feel a need to get one so I can show someone, then I will send it to them privately. For those that do not wish to contact me because of no pic, then my feeling is it is their loss.
As a final comment, someone mentioned to do that salute thing...well dont you know about digital editing? Someone could easily edit a pic to include that and then post it. What this is doing is either getting people to delete the pix, or making them circumvent the rules in an underhanded way in order to comply.
What makes you so sure I could not go to a friend, ask him to do the salute thing and then post THAT? I have not done that and WONT, I would rather not have a pic at all.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 9:34:36 PM | Bottleneck,
Anyone with a slow connection, that runs a search, then gets all these bad or lack of, headshots in their primary photos, doesn't HAVE to now, open an entire profile, which on a slow internet connection takes time.. and on a slow computer, takes time.. to go looking for a head shot. Instead, they can click "next" and it lets you see each subsequent picture, until you have seen a nice visible headshot picture. You no longer have to wait for a profile to load, to see the headshot you wanted to see, you click next, the next picture comes up.
It's a nice addition for people who don't have a fast internet connnection.. do I have to remind you the internet is NOT dsl all over the world? Some people still dial up? People in the most remote areas of our countries frequent this site in great numbers on their dial ups.. Click-a-profile to find a picture, takes up to a minute on 56K.. on my laptop's air card it is a little faster but not as fast as my home DSL connection is.
Clicking 'next' to flip the person's pictures, takes less than five seconds for anyone, even on dial up. As for my main profile pic, I'm 6'2 sorry I didn't kneel or shrink for you.. You're talking about QC now, and most of my posts thus far have been referring to age and gender.. forgive me if you're being picky now about how close a headshot has to be.. but I added the ferry picture less than two days ago, and you're looking for hypocrisy, by attempting to debate picture quality with me. I opted for a full body shot on the cover page, which I'll argue is just as good if not better than a head shot followed by two very reasonable headshots in the profile.. and up until either yesterday or the day before, one of my other photos was, in fact, the main image..(I think it was up until yesterday) and I don't know how close a face shot you wanted, but if you were already into my profile, it's a head and shoulders shot with a black hat on.. do ya want me to eat the camera? I've had it, and similar closeups on my profile main for the last few months. exclusively. so flaming me for a picture I added less than two days ago is kind of pointless, I was applauding the fact you can flip them without having to load an entire person's profile.
The 'work' flame, is unwarranted, by the way, certainly after loading 3000 100 lb bags of lentils onto shipping containers today by hand. If you are going to start flaming me about what work is, the least you could do is come work a day in my shoes and see if you can keep up. Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if you'd keep your sarcasm relative to the topic. Thank you. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:15:00 PM | How are privileges such as
No one is forcing anyone to REPORT IMAGES, RATE NEW IMAGES, or DELETE posts.
But as you all have become aware, there are alot of people who do use these features and as long as it exists then it helps moderate the site.
Remember folks that priviledges such as the ones mentioned above are given, if they are abused they are taken away. Plain and simple.
Admin has put much thought into this before allowing the priviledge. those listed here given? In what what does giving these (if indeed they are given) allow them to be taken away in any manner? This is nothing but a bare assertion without being backed up.
Were someone to give me food, I would not respect their right to take that same food away. Were someone to give me the rights to shelter in a storm, I would not sit idly by were they to attmept to revoke that right. Here, were someone to give you the chance at love (and, honestly, that is all that I live for) and then take it back, would you not question the move if you were one of those who were scarred, scared, uncertain, unable, or unwilling to show their faces?
Microsoft Window's failure to run perfectly has no bearing on the issue at hand, unless you, likeachild, show us how a buggy yet still dominant operating system and a user-operated singles website are similar.
Finally, likeachild, you offer us your insight into Admins' mind. Can you give us details as to why this insight is accurate? Otherwise, you seem like a user who is simply willing to accept what has been placed in front of them rather than giving other users a compelling reason to do so.
Give the other side a compelling reason to give up their choice. Do it in a way that is neither conclusory nor bare. Please? | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 11:17:16 PM | I'd be interested in knowing how the system works. Is your pic automatically deleted if it is flagged? Is there a review process?
I got flagged by mistake- how does that happen? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 12:07:45 AM |
those listed here given? In what what does giving these (if indeed they are given) allow them to be taken away in any manner? This is nothing but a bare assertion without being backed up.
Abuse of a feature does not come without reprecussions. I had my priviledges removed once for about a week whilst I was learning the rules of the forum.
So YES I know they can be taken away.
Were someone to give me food, I would not respect their right to take that same food away. Were someone to give me the rights to shelter in a storm, I would not sit idly by were they to attmept to revoke that right.
Same as I mentioned above.
Here, were someone to give you the chance at love (and, honestly, that is all that I live for) and then take it back, would you not question the move if you were one of those who were scarred, scared, uncertain, unable, or unwilling to show their faces?
Nobody is taking anything away from you. Date as often as you like and good luck with that.
Microsoft Window's failure to run perfectly has no bearing on the issue at hand, unless you, likeachild, show us how a buggy yet still dominant operating system and a user-operated singles website are similar.
Sigh...........You missed the point.
Microsoft is a Programme...POF is Programme = coding
Reinterating that sometimes the Programming does not always work as you wanted but I pretty sure Admin is working on the Intimate Encounter bug.
Finally, likeachild, you offer us your insight into Admins' mind. Can you give us details as to why this insight is accurate? Otherwise, you seem like a user who is simply willing to accept what has been placed in front of them rather than giving other users a compelling reason to do so.
No I cannot peer in and see exactly what Admin's vision is, it is his site.
But having read many things from Admin and Moderator 's I would have to say that in this case of the 1.3 million users that use this site only about 4000 have been affected by the photo issue and that the number could rise to about 9000 .
With all the new features that he has added in the past few months the site is heading towards SELF GOVERNANCE, with minimal intervention by Moderator's who already spend countless VOLUNTEER hours on this site.
Give the other side a compelling reason to give up their choice. Do it in a way that is neither conclusory nor bare. Please?
I do not have to give you a compelling reason. Why? Because I like the fact that people are now compelled to show a photo of themselves. So out of the 1.3 million users that use this site, 5 percent are complaining about their cartoons, landscapes, animals, boob shots, torso, and what not.
I think the VAST majority who are looking for love in their lives have a choice. Excluding contact with users without photos and those with no preference. The feature are meant to work hand in hand.
Is dating not the reason the site was set up?
Oh and no one ever said this was a democracy.
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Posted: 4/13/2007 1:09:02 AM | Mr. Tolstoy,
For Belgarion: (By the way, awesome set of books!) I seem to be reiterating this point constantly, but this "reaction to change" has been invited by the owner of the site. He's asking the users of the site what they think about a new feature.
Yes a very awesome set of books!
Yes he is asking for our opinions, as I mentioned in my post. Since when do I, or anyone else for that matter, have to write a small in depth essay on the why of it? Is it because you think Admin wants it, or is it just for you and your curiosity?
Yes, you've made the point (and from what I can tell, it's the only valid one made in this forum for the change) most other pro-change posters have made. "You pay nothing to be here." Yes, you are correct. PoF is not owned by shareholders. It's not run by a government agency. However, I fail to see, and you fail to make clear, how these points are relevant, given that Admin has invited the last twenty pages of comments, showing a clear intent to get a better understanding of what users think.
Pardon me? I thought I made it perfectly clear. Did I not say that even though Admin has asked for our input, by voting,
In reality he doesn’t have to ask us diddly squat. that seems pretty clear to me.
Do you honestly think Admin, being the sole employee along with his few volunteer mods, has the time to read a few hundred, or more, 500 word essays on what we think? I'm thinking he will read a few here and there, but go more so on the vast majority who have in fact voted to implement this change on pictures in profiles.
You are obviously an intelligent man and I find it commendable that you show such interest in peoples opinions. Perhaps if you want further personal clarification of each persons view, you can e-mail each one with your request.
If users against the change were posting without being invited to do so by Admin, your post might have some merit (although we'll leave the question of whether or not PoF owes some duty to it's users for a ater date). As it is, your perception of how people react to change does nothing here to provide any factual basis for why the change is good. It simply puts you in the camp of those who have no clear or convincing argument for this change. You're simply stating your agreement with it without positing a reason for that change. The same could be accomplished by participating in the poll on page one.
I see in your profile you are graduating law school soon. Good for you!
This is not a court of law however and I as a user do not have to justify my opinion with a long drawn out summation of the why. It's just an opinion I stated, nothing more.
Will this change if implemented permanently, affect my day-to-day living? Nope!
Will this change if implemented permanently, affect my quality of life? Again, nope!
Again, I invite anyone who believes in this change to rebut the argument that 1) requiring a specified type of photo results in a lack of choice to PoF users and that 2) the change would adversely effect those users who do not wish to post their face pics for any one of several reasons such as those posted in my arguments on pges 17 and 19 of this thread.
1) Choice is a key word. Life is all about choice after all. I choose to be able to peruse profiles with pictures only. If people do not want to post their pictures, I could care less. Does this narrow my choices? Of course it does! But again I say I could care less.
2) Taken from your post on page 19.
Allow users the chance to explain to potential mates whatever differences they have before they "meet" online face to face. Don't compel these "face to face" meetings. Don't put the burden for fixing this "problem" upon those users who wish to express something different from the mainstream.
When I'm walking down the street, or at the mall, or at a pub or club, I don't see people walking around with paper bags over their heads. I expect nothing less here. Sure I've read profiles only and have even sent e-mails to those women. With this change I can still do both. It will just be easier to do both.
I think you'll make an excellent lawyer by the way.
In closing:
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, and quit your ****ing!
You always have a choice whether to join or stay. | |
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| Reporting And deleting Main images yerrrrrrrrr right..NOT
Posted: 4/13/2007 2:48:25 AM |
OK I just checked for myself and it is true that women seeking intimate encounters do not have the "report main photo" option.
I can just about guess what the "official" explanation for this will be, that is if we are given one.
How do you know it's not a bug?
Well the "bug" has been there since just after the new feature went into affect. It just seems that this select group has been given a pass with no reason given. Usually one of the mods pops into a thread to explain why such and such is happening, but nothing regarding this particular "bug". I suspect well get no offficial reason why one group is more priviliged than others. Like I posted earlier it is quite Orwellian
ALL POF MEMBERS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 3:41:43 AM | I am stumped as to why dating sites allow profiles without pictures. I have seen the argument that if someone is on here just for emailing and chatting online - why the need for a photograph. But emailing and chatting is not dating. POF is called a dating site. It's not advertised as a chat room. Dating someone has the prerequisite that you are attracted to the way a person looks. If you were in a nightclub or bar or at a social event and someone came up to you and started talking to you and they had a bag over their head and said - can I take you out on a date - I can't imagine anyone saying yes.
So moderators - could you please tell why a dating site allows profiles without pictures. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 4:02:22 AM | ^^^^ There is a myriad of reasons why people don't post pics, shyness, public figure, don't want their friends/family to know they have resorted to online dating, etc. They also have the option of providing a pic privately if they so wish. Many don't want to be judged a shallow group of people either. the option of not having public pic is not unique to POF, many pay sites offer the same option.
As has been posted before POF is essential a privat esite that the admin has allowed us to use to contact other people. He sets the rules, we may not like them , but then it sucks to be us. | |
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