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Posted: 4/13/2007 6:59:37 PM | | Nursa Rosa: Just how would ANYone know the picture you have up of yourself is even you? Creativity through photos is one means by which people can open a discourse - whether it be a pet, a car, or a flower. I, for one, cannot stand the pics of some obscure human doing some kind of thing - like rock climbing for instance - with all the gear, and the distance involved of some body against a rockface....c'mon, you think THAT pic is SO much better?? Give me a break. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:02:17 PM | | Astreaa: I'm not ashamed of what God gave me. Call it great genes or luck or whatever. Bottom line is: There should be a choice in what one wants to have up as a photo. This is censorship. Nothing less. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:06:42 PM | Admin: Get a grip on yourself. YOU chose to change the rules. There was absolutely nothing obscene, suggestive, copyrighted of the photo I had posted. It was me. I did however get the idea from one of YOUR moderators. Go figure; you've deleted their pic as well. What is this site coming to??
YOu say it affects 4000 people and MAY affect up to 9000? We will see. Yep. Word of mouth does have a significant impact on products. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:18:02 PM | I have a question for the Admin.?
I just re looked at the top 500 so called hottest ppl and those who are from Canada or
England some have inappropiate pics as their main pic yet it doesn't say anything
on theirs about (Report image if missing headshot ) or better yet.. REPORT IMAGE IMAGE IF INAPPROPIATE...??? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:33:13 PM | I wonder if it is possible to have a search parameter put in where we can choose to search only profiles with a photo.
What's the concensus on that one? Is this something many of you would like to see? There are two very distinct camps on photo posting and this would give the option to those who must see a photo to weed out the non photo bearing profiles. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 7:33:33 PM | | Not true, followed these ambiguous, guidelines and had it removed yet again! Judges didn't like it, or the POF reporters, have a thing about dogs, cats, boats, or boobs for that matter, that ... made ... this site FUN! Worry more about recruiting new members, than all these chatroom like antics, turning everyone into whistle blowers, and let members have some character with their long boring searches at the pond. Wasn't this suppossed to be Fun Fun Fun?? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 8:19:48 PM | No I don't like it at all.
What a silly idea.
BTW I did change my main pic to a head shot when this fiasco started.
That was deleted.
As well as the other pictures that I had.
(bunch of immature tattle tales 
If this is only a dating site then why have the options to look for "friends".
What difference does it make?
Personally - especially for those of us taking a break from dating - I think the ability to put up other pictures show MUCH more creativity and personality.
Jeez give me a break. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2007 2:52:09 PM | Images, are identifiable information. For someone who wants to meet someone for the first time, it's a declaration of honesty, which is upfront, and it assures safety for both parties when it's done correctly.
If you meet someone in a coffee shop that doesn't resemble their photograph, aside from a dye job or plastic surgery, there's no excuse for that nonsense. There's also no reason to volunteer cell phone, to accept a ride anywhere alone with the person, nor to let them know where you work, home, or family members live. There is simply no reason to reveal your personal information whatsoever..
But the #1 tipoff is, be street smart. IF you don't know this is the person from the profile picture, don't be alone with them, don't give them info, and don't trust them.. DUH.
IF you're slightly concerned, but you are still willing to meet someone in a public place, take a cellphone camera along, ask them if you can take a picture of "you together" and upload it to your email inbox.. you then have a record of this person. For some this would be an innocent and reasonable request.. Certainly something honest upfront people don't have any concerns about.. it's for your own security...
If they're a dead ringer for their profile picture, it's still wise to keep a copy for yourself ahead of time, in case they meet you and then they delete their profile.. it never hurts to keep records around in case something spooky happens later on.
Either way.. if they don't resemble their headshot picture to begin with.. DO NOT LET DOWN YOUR GUARD, and DO NOT GIVE OUT any info that would help them find you anywhere. If things go great, you can always come back here to set up another meeting in another public place..
I feel accurate head shots on profiles serve a very good security control for those who meet others from the site for the first time. And by all means, bring a camera to your meeting and take a picture of you together.. upload it to your email, and you have an added safety control.
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Posted: 4/14/2007 3:49:20 PM | | Personally, I don't enjoy pics of dogs, sunsets, landscapes, cartoons, and other uninteresting items. I prefer to see a pic of the user. It makes it a bit more personal to see who I am chatting to, or emailing. Even though I am not looking for dating, I enjoy that personal touch with people. If I want to see landscapes or sunsets, I can go to a museum. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 9:49:32 AM | I don't either Mandrake. I would like to see who I am speaking to and approaching.. and if I am interested in meeting them I'd LIKE to be able to recognize them not sit beside them in a coffee shop feeling dumb for 20 minutes because my picture's recognizeable and theirs is not. I guess in the end run it has to do with personal preference, but the fact of the matter is, when you are on a site that deals with people, I like to see the people. You're absolutely right about landscapes and whatnot as well. I enjoy the new changes that have been made recently, as, they make the entire site equal ground for those who wish to express themselves yet it still allows you the ability to show your interests. The entire site has changed to a much fairer process.
One suggestion for the admin's wording of the new 'report' link. It would likely be better worded 'report profile if headshot is missing' now that your changes have been implemented. That way new and confused users wouldn't be reporting profiles by accident where the pic you see doesn't have a headshot but the images in the profile, contains one. As it's worded now 'report image if missing headshot' doesn't work if the image they are looking at is one without the headshot, but the profile still contains one that you can see.
Again, thumbs up.. this is a really remarkable change.. Thanks!
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Posted: 4/15/2007 2:11:45 PM | No, no, a thousand times no!!! I find this feature absolutely appalling, and a blatant violation of our free will to seek love and find attraction in whatever manner suits us.
Yes, I realize this is not the popular view, that the VAST majority of people are mired in mediocrity and firmly stuck in the box of relationship stereotype, where the only valid form of attraction is to physical appearance. Well, by those standards, I don't fit - I'm not conventionally attractive, I wouldn't even score on the radar for most people. I rely on my wits, my words, and my creativity to make an impression. And I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels this way. It's just that in our mass-commodifed, dumbed-down culture, people like us are marginalized and have to fight for every scrap of freedom we can create.
You call this a 'free' site? When I have to PAY with my individuality, my very uniqueness, to fit into a box I never wanted to be a part of? I've already switched my profile to 'friends' because I've given up on the idea of finding love on a site such as this, that caters to the lowest common denominator. This site is a great concept, and I am grateful daily for the comparative freedom and kindred spirits I have found in the poetry forum... but this latest 'feature' really crosses all my boundaries.
Since I signed onto this site 5 months ago, I have been on exactly ONE date. And you know what? The dude showed up looking approximately 75 lbs heavier than his photos, after claiming 'average' on his profile. Big deal. Policing the photos like this will never stop people from lying, and will not stop players or fakers from taking advantage of this site. I'm willing to take full responsibility for my own lack of discernment in this case.
I have to wonder what motivates you, Admin... You, who are in a relationship already, what gives you the right to tell me how I can and should love? What gives ANYONE that right? How DARE you!!! It's not like hard drive space is expensive these days. This is just a cheap and nasty, fear-based grab for control of others' free will by all those immature complainers, those people who aren't willing to take responsibility for their own choices, those people who are so afraid of being alone that their every post smacks of desperation and poor pitiful me victimhood. Better wake up, this represents the MAJORITY of humanity. Are you going to kowtow to their fear or are you capable of thinking and feeling for yourself what is truly correct and honourable in this situation?
I can only surmise that you are a sensitive soul at heart, and cannot take the incessant whining of the unwashed masses... you must get hundreds of emails daily from morons who want to make you personally responsible for the fact that they have not yet found love, or that they got played, or disappointed, or whatever. When will you realize that you can't please everyone? Why do you take this crap personally? Why do you allow it to beat you down into making changes that destroy the integrity of what you are trying to build here - a site to facilitate others to find love in their lives? If you let those whiners who want to control everyone's expression determine how you let this site function, then you are as guilty as they are of falling into judgment. You've gone over to the dark side.
It's one thing to police image content for obscenity, but if someone is offended by pictures of cleavage, or waterfront, or a dog, or a piece of meaningful art - then that's THEIR issue. Why do you need to make it yours, and ours? Let those people whine, maybe you'd be better served by imposing a 'whine' limit on emails to mods and admin. Let them click on the next profile, what is with this obsessional need to control others' thoughts and expression? There's a name for that kind of thinking.
Every time I see that link underneath a photo, it makes me shudder, and brings to mind a certain poem written in Nazi Germany:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
-- Pastor Martin Niemoller
/rant
Oh, and btw, I'm fully aware that at 23 pages, you will likely never read this post anyway. However, this latest thing so deeply offends me that I really had to say something. Obviously I am not one of those people that needs rules all over the damn place to feel safe or to function and make independent decisions in my life. That kind of thinking in humanity has historically always gotten us into big heaps of trouble, and the sooner those of us that comprehend this speak up, the better. It's quite simply the need of a frightened child who grew up in chaos needing to find some way to impose control on their world. Grow up, people, for god's sake! What's next, a button to 'report this person as a possible drug user'? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 2:12:04 PM | Tia, whether you like it or not, I really take exception to not being able to view a picture on a profile of someone whom I may one day intend to meet. Your entire rant consists of every other argument that has been made from freedom of speech advocates on this site in the last 23 pages. The point of the matter is:
1) Love may be blind, but nothing stops the shock of meeting someone and wishing you were.
2) Fantastic personalities or not, and for your OWN protection, you deserve to meet someone whom you are attracted to, and who is who they say they are. There is no worse punishment than to invest a great deal of time and heart into spending time with someone, and then having them throw you away because they aren't attracted to you.. or vice versa. It's an emptiness in your heart when the expectations drop like a stone. Don't be naive.
3) I would hazard to say anyone intending to meet someone on here should have a good honest look at someone.. and it PROMPTS the investment in the first place. I've had some of the most attractive women in my younger dating years, who have an absolutely terrible personality and they were dumped because of it.. so there's no reason to be cynical about 'just' looks.. it didn't get them anywhere in the long run, nor would it be someone's sole reason.. it's merely part of it.
4) How do you know who the person is when you finally arrange to meet them?
5) How do the police find them if you meet someone who doesn't resemble their pictures?
At least you have the option of having that first frame of reference to determine if you're dealing with someone that is up front.. would that not be a small determination of someone's character?
6) Don't come down on the admin for policing his website the way a lot of websites police decency. In a lot of jurisdictions, this website would be illegal if you who think breasts and inappropriate content, should not be removed. There are public decency laws that he has to maintain.. Not just because he posts disclaimers on the site to sign up with in the first place, but that he has gone to great lengths to not require you to sign in with your credit card information and pay even so much as a dollar to prove you're of age to be on here.
You ARE who you say you ARE, and that just happens to include what you look like. Don't believe me? Try taking a flight to Florida without a passport. They don't CARE what you say..
It's ALL to do with being up front!
And.. for the Site Admin: THANK YOU :D
That, is classy. Less than a couple hours after I posted a suggestion, the wording of the link changes.. Kudos to the admins on this site for listening and reacting so quick.. Good on ya! I don't see pay sites giving people this much attention.. :) Thanks to the fair site shepherd :) | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 2:14:31 PM | | Music Man...I think that's what most of us on here have been clamouring for. :) I wonder if this means that we can now have our main pic as something other than a headshot as long as one exists in the profile? | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 2:43:19 PM | Yes, and as a matter of fact, as I understand his original posts, that was the way he intended it.. that if I search with the "only view profiles with photos" that I would have the opportunity to find profiles with at least ONE picture of a PERSON.
He changed a few things over the last few days of this forum existing actually.. the first was the ability to flip through photos on the profile without having to load the entire profile of somebody. .(on 56k or my laptop's aircard, that means it's a lot faster), and your main one can be anything now.. a person merely has to have one good face shot inside their profile. He's been working pretty hard to allow freedom of expresson.. it's also why I am now able to add that faraway shot that I have now as my main picture, without worrying it's too hard to see my face.. now they can see several others of my face as well just flipping once or twice.
As long as one of your profile pics is an honest face, the rest can be anything you want.. the wording makes it quite a bit easier to clarify. He changed it less than an hour after I posted it :) | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:27:34 PM | Music Man, first of all, I am not coming down on the admin for policing decency content of images. I have no problem with restricting explicit sexual images. Mind you, I see nothing indecent about a cleavage shot, no more indecent than the classic sixpack shot - and MY GOD, those guys are showing their NIPPLES! I am not personally offended by the human body, and I think it's a sad comment on society's level of sexual repression that we can't tolerate even mildly sexually charged images without all going into a frenzy of blaming, shaming, finger-pointing and judging.
Secondly, almost everything else you say here suggests that you feel POF is somehow liable and responsible for your love life and lessons. Life lessons are not a commodity. You get what you are dealt, until you learn why you keep being dealt the same sh!tty hand. It's not something you can make someone else responsible for. Just because the internet gives you an illusion of control, doesn't mean you actually HAVE any control over your life. I've always found that the more you cling to that illusion, the more likely it will be to bite you in the @ss.
One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to exercise common sense when it comes to meeting strangers, but y'all really need to learn how to stop projecting your fantasy expectations all over other people. That will get you nowhere, and it's an untenable, irresponsible starting point for any relationship.
I've been single for a plenty long time thanks, I'm not anything approaching naive.
Thirdly, I would like to thank the admin for making those recent changes... the change in wording makes a huge difference. At the time I posted, I had not yet seen that. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:38:57 PM | Again I reiterate, according to the poll 1 out of 3 people wants to be able to post whatever pic they want to promote their personality.
If the front page poll reflects general consensus, then that's about 900,00 users or 1/3 of 2.5 million users.
If a person doesn't want to read a profile without a head shot pic, don't! Move to a profile that has one.
If you're militant about this rule, we probably wouldn't get along as it suggests a desire for non-inclusivity and that doesn't endear me, especially in this day and age.
If a person reads my profile and wants to know me better, head shots are usually traded sooner than later. It really depends on the conversation and it is no one else's business how I connect with someone else anymore than it is my business how anyone else connects with anyone, head shop or not.
I met some really nice people solely based on an interesting pic (or two etc) and it may have taken me longer, if at all, otherwise.
Anyway, I hope this all blows over soon, I'm tired of having my animal friends deleted.
Peace
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Joined: 4/4/2007
Msg: 567 | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 3:47:47 PM | | Everyone who seems intent on waving the rights and censorship flag here seems to forget one thing. This is not public domain like a street corner where your rights are in effect. This is a PRIVATE domain where the admin can set whatever rules he chooses in order to make the site a better place for all. If you are unhappy with the rules, then move to a different site would be my suggestion. I agree with the headshot provision, I am not interested in your dog, horse, bird, flowers, boobs, butts and whatever else you may decide to post. Those can all come later, if necessary. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 4:08:29 PM | My rights! My rights! Why, exactly, do you have the right to even use Markus's website at all? Isn't it only because he allows you to? You don't have the right to put your cat on his website any more than he has the right to put his name on your window.
Say if you like it or not- that's exactly the input he's asking for. But for heaven's sake. Quit thinking you have any right to your profile. I had my picture deleted too, btw. No biggy, I just reciprocated by taking Markus's picture off of MY website. THAT will show him! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 4:14:14 PM | | If its to be a 'head shot', then the photos that show a body obscurely - where no one would recognize the person at all - and there are many of these kinds of pics still on here - they should be deleted as well. If you can't 'see' what the person's face looks like then Admin, delete it. Period. Picking and choosing with your 'special' kind of rules is not applying your rules equally. Some body plastered against a remote rock face is NOT a clear head shot. DOH. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 4:19:07 PM | You can please some of the people, some of the time....but you can't please all of the people all of the time!
Admin has shown compromise and flexibility....now it is time to reciprocate folks. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 4:23:59 PM | Tia,
Your comments are so off base. You have no clue what the admin of this site deals with, or that he succumbs to pressure by anyone. If he took your advice, would he not be succumbing to the advice of the "washed, enlightened, anarchists" who cannot exist within a framework of rules? What he does is respond to the requests by ALL the members on the site and weigh them in light of the greatest good for everyone.
Rules exist to protect everyone, and I agree with the rules they have posted here. The world you advocate, absent rules, is called anarchy. This site would become a cesspool over time because, "How dare you" tell me I can't post pictures of sex acts, drug use, pedophilia, etc. Insert any number of unsavory and repulsive act here, because once you play the "how dare you" card it will eventually come back to you and you will be told the same by someone else when they have finally crossed your threshold of decency. The only two ways to avoid that are to have rules, or to accept all behavior with no limits on any of it.
Whether or not you acknowledge it, the world simply cannot operate that way. And please, comparing the setting of standards to Nazi Germany? I don't imagine that the admin will be dragging any posting violators off to gas chambers any time soon. Lose the drama. Coming from a family whose Grandparents went through Nazi invasion , it really is offensive when someone is so clueless as to try to make that comparison. Maybe if someone had enforced the rules sooner, millions of Jews, handicapped persons and others would have never been slaughtered. Or would someone have said how dare you interfere... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 7:59:29 PM | Boliej, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying here. I don't advocate anarchy; yes, some rules must exist, if only to protect the innocent. These people on POF are hardly innocent - they are (supposedly) mature adults. Could have fooled me.
You have no idea what my background is - for the record, both my parents grew up in wartime Europe. I think I have some idea what I'm talking about. The current, subtle erosion of civil liberties in North America, in the US in particular, very closely mirrors what happened in pre-WW2 Germany. Do your research. With a pretty good cross-section of the population represented here on POF, I think this virtual space acts as a very illuminating mirror for what's going on in society. The bottom line, for me, is that no one has a right to impose restrictions on the free will of another. Period. I'm not just talking about human, tribal laws, I'm talking Divine Law. And yet, we live in a society where we are constantly subjected to justifications of why it's OK for someone to impose some restriction on our free will. Usually by imposing the fallacy of 'the greatest good'. This does not equate to anarchy, in my mind, because there is still a structure of law that exists here, if people would care to avail themselves of it.
I will go so far as to agree that we do indeed need to have some human-made rules, insofar as most of humanity is so lacking in moral compass that they need someone to tell them the difference between right and wrong. And even with the rules in place, they still f*ck it up most of the time. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 8:23:16 PM | | Seeing as there is no requirement to have a picture, I cannot make logical sense out of a requirement to have a head shot IF one does have a pic. The other thing I have a question about is simply this: if the "head" shot is a requirement for the main pic but not for secondary pics, why delete? While Mr. POF can make any rules he wants on his web site, I can see by the method of implementation of this "rule" by the moderators that there is a little Napoleon in almost everyone... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2007 9:11:21 PM |
The other thing I have a question about is simply this: if the "head" shot is a requirement for the main pic but not for secondary pics
Have you read the Image Upload page?
allow me:
UPLOADING NUDITY WILL GET YOUR ACCOUNT DELETED You can upload up to 8 images, you may keep these images hidden from other members by selecting not to display them on your profile.
Make sure the image isn't too big or it won't upload.
Cartoons, celebrity, Torso and Joke pictures are not allowed.
Make sure the image is in JPG, BMP or GIF format.
You can share these private pictures with other members when sending them a
message.
More help for Add / Change / Delete Images Allow others to rate your image
ALL pictures MUST contain you in it with a visible head shot at minimum
For any that put up anything in their profile that does not meet the above, in due time, they too will be removed.
In case anyone has a problem with this, the Terms of Service/User Agreement that you all agreed to when you signed up, state:
REMOVAL OF INFORMATION
While we do not and cannot review every message or other material posted or sent by users of the Service, and are not responsible for any content of these messages or materials, we reserve the right, but are not obligated, to delete, move, or edit messages or materials, including without limitation profiles, public postings and messages, that we, in our sole discretion, deem to violate the Code of Conduct set out above or any other applicable content guidelines, or to be otherwise unacceptable. You shall remain solely responsible for the content of profiles, public postings, messages and other materials you may upload to the Service or users of the Service.
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