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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:01:54 PM |
It's not that the woman didn't want sex but that she was led to believe there would be more than just a one night stand
So the woman then blames the guy, because she was too naive to see the guy was saying whatever worked to get sex. Women whine because it didn't work out the way they wanted it to.
Having sex with someone does not guarantee another date, no matter what was said. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:05:16 PM |
oh i see, so the fact that the guy has bald face lied to her, it's STILL her fault, eh?
she has been honest, she has been a person willing to be reasonable, willing to trust someone, willing to take a risk for love -- all the things we HOPE people will be as we ourselves are out there trying to find love... bull!
but no, yea sure, it must be her fault that the guy was a lying full of shit cad. sure!
It's the risk we all take when we put our hearts out there and date. If you don't like it, don't play. Sometimes we all need a break when we are not at a place where our hearts can take a beating. Unfortunately, she got one. But playing the victim doesn't do anyone any good. Learning from it, however, does. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:08:18 PM | she has been honest, she has been a person willing to be reasonable, willing to trust someone, willing to take a risk for love
Not always as has been demonstrated on many threads.
When are you ladies going to understand... It's not rocket science.
The one's that are after just sex will play the game just as long as it takes to reach his goal and then be gone. If he is playing a game he is not going to care if it takes months. Part of the thrill for him is the chase.
The guy that wants a relationship with you will be still there and it is not going to matter if you had sex on the first date. He might and will leave if he feels that it is just a test to make him wait. He will also leave if you are making him pay for what other guys before him did. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:15:49 PM | well said drg
us gals are quite ready to admit that there are some bad apples in our camp.
is this a doctrine espoused by the president of 'girlpower'?
i didn't know we were in camps...where's my hut? | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:19:01 PM |
So the woman then blames the guy, because she was too naive to see the guy was saying whatever worked to get sex.
And if the guys don't like being blamed then I guess they shouldn't lie
It's only upsetting if you really like the guy - otherwise, who cares? | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:22:57 PM | I think U all have valid points but the truth remains... it does happen and people of both sexes get hurt. How U handle it is what counts.
We are thinking human beings and we all make mistakes. We need to learn from them. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:24:30 PM | "So i guess woman just have sex as a duty or as a means of reproduction because obviously they get no enjoyment out of it at all. It's just another tool to get guys to like them."
For some women this may be true, but for most women it is NOT. Most women do enjoy sex with someone they care about. There are some that have sex for the sake of sex.
Most women have learned that having sex on the first date is pretty much going to mean that the man will be long gone no matter what the he says. This is "enter at your own risk" territory.
Generally speaking, most women will have sex with a man that they feel is relationship material. Generally speaking, most men know this. To get to the sex part some men have been known to say that they want a relationship when they really do not. In such a case, that is known as lying. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:28:43 PM | But a woman can do the same thing and does do the same thing. Lying to get sex it not some exclusive club with men only as members is it?...
Are you saying there has never been a woman that's lied just to have sex?
Why is all the negative aspects of short term sex only associated with men? Men are the users and abusers, men will say anything to get you to drop your pants....With a guy the game don't stop till your panties drop. This is all BS and women need to start taking on some of the responsibility associated with short term sex. This he made me do it excuse is well used and played out. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:32:42 PM | Confucius say,"Don't believe anything a man tells you to get you into the sac"....and also...Men,don't always believe a woman will call you back the next day...  | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:34:59 PM | ^^^ right, confucious, it goes both ways, women and men are both dishonest. but as well know, traditionally, men are socialized to be the aggressor in such matters and so the problem, historically, is more a problem of men 'tricking' women into the sack rather than the reverse..,
but -- the DISHONESTY is the issue, not whether the "used" was stupid or smart. there is NO excuse for lying somebody into the sack.
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So the woman then blames the guy, because she was too naive to see the guy was saying whatever worked to get sex. Women whine because it didn't work out the way they wanted it to.
no, my friend, they 'whine' because they were lied to and believed it that time. it's very simple, the guy ought not lie. the girl ought not lie. people ought not lie to get sex from other people. period. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:41:33 PM |
But why blame it all on the man?
Because it's so much easier to assign blame than to accept it.
For many women that blame men for using them just for sex, obviously they have been untruthful too in the case of one night stands. Many have convinced themselves that they too only want sex, never mind telling the men that's all they want. Then of course the good old...'sex and emotions' comes into play and who are they going to blame? The man of course.
I think many of those women need to get things straight in their own minds before they start hopping into bed with a man. You either want more or you don't, be fair to yourself and to him before doing anything either of you may regret. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:42:25 PM | I agree. Keep on your pants or whatever if you want more of the man himself. if you only want sex than don't expect anything else. sometimes just a little play is great if you are not ready for a commitment but then again there is an answer to being horny it is called a toy.  | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:46:02 PM | | So, we have an innocent woman that is being victimized by the lies that a man told her to get her to sleep with him. Statements similar to that make women look ridiculous and weak-minded. Like they are so gullible and naive. Does that mean that the impression that women are the weaker gender has merit. That women are inferior. Give me a break...please. Women ARE NOT stupid or weak-minded, and any woman that tries to play that card should be ashamed of herself for portraying women as being easy victims and prey. There are no reasons to make excuses. Plain and simple, if a woman has respect for herself and waits until she knows the gentleman better or even wait to her honeymoon for sex then she would not have to feel victimized. I guess it is always easier to blame someone else than to accept responsibility for your own actions. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:47:04 PM |
But a woman can do the same thing and does do the same thing. Lying to get sex it not some exclusive club with men only as members is it?...
Are you saying there has never been a woman that's lied just to have sex?
I don't believe any intelligent person would make that comment - having said that though, the percentage of males doing it is far higher than females doing it. Rather than chastise the women for feeling used, you should be chastising your very gender that do this to women. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:48:21 PM | | * *Because it's so much easier to assign blame than to accept it. ** brneyeslostmind i completely agree. we are creatures with a brain and free will . if we do something dumb then we should take the responsibility for it. if you jump in bed with a guy right away then you both know what its all about . dont complain later that oh boo hoo he lied to me that bad nasty man. i am so glad i dont believe in sex before marriage. | |
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Msg: 45 | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:49:57 PM | Soak em, Who says the percentage of male doing it is higher, The only thing higher is the percentage of woman using it as an excuse. Men don't complain about it, But it does happen. At least my gender is honest about their role in it.
Just different....Excellent point...very good post. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:50:33 PM | Merf seems a bit on the bitter side of life.
Stop making excuses for women who have sex on the first date with hopes
that will somehow keep that guy coming back for the rest of their life.
The guy may or may not be lying, but she is surely lying to herself, or in
serious denial I, as a man, have had occasion to turn down sex on the first date because
I was afraid sex might be taken as a declaration of love and commitment. If
we end up not being a good personality fit, even though everything else fits nicely,
many women, and men too, have problems accepting it's just not gonna work, and
you guessed it....somebody has to take the blame... | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 8:56:59 PM | ^^^^ ummmm, men DO complain about it, have you been reading these forums????
and, just different, no -- your logic is flawed.
first off, if a woman chooses to have sex with a guy, she chooses to have sex with a guy. that is her choice. a woman who is lied to by a guy she has decided to sleep with is not angry BECAUSE she slept with him, that was her free choice (to believe him or not, to 'go with it' or hold back, etc.) the problem is entirely the dishonesty... the problem is that she is making choices over time about whether or not to sleep with him in part based upon who he seems to be. had she known the truth would she still have slept with him? that is part of it.
but the way people talk on this thread it's as if you all think women don't want the sex also -- of course women wanted the sex too! the difference in a case where a woman is lied to by a guy is that she was honest in doing that, and he wasn't.
yes, i agree that anybody who goes out and sleeps with every guy she meets immediately and then cries wolf when the guy doesn't call? well that's just stupid.
but i am certainly not going to sit here and pretend that there isn't a problem of players in online dating, or that there isn't a problem, historically and traditionally, of men tricking women into bed. it is one of the oldest problems in the book and many if not most women (those who have heartbeats and libidos) have experienced that shit.
the fact that there are SO damn many players in online dating, that there are so many married men pretending to be single or divorced, these realities seem to be things the people posting on this forum are in complete denial about....
the question is, why? we are all well aware of these realities, or we ought to be. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:07:15 PM | Merf,
If it is true that,
[it is one of the oldest problems in the book and many if not most women (those who have heartbeats and libidos) have experienced that shit. ]
then stop whining if you ever drop your drawers on the first date, and remember
the old saying...
Screw me once, shame on you.
Screw me twice, shame on me...
And by the way,
some guys, and gals, don't come back for a second coming because the first
one just wasn't that good... | |
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Msg: 49 | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:07:30 PM | merf you logic is very flawed...Do you thing there is no married woman online looking for a little afternoon delight? I have lost track of how many married women have contacted me since i have been online hoping to live out their mandingo fantasy.
Players are not gender specific, it's both genders, Only when a guy gets played for sex he is aight with it and take it like a man. He takes responsibility for it. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:10:46 PM | Bang on!
It's only upsetting if you really like the guy - otherwise, who cares?
Ok if you fell that hard for someone that fast that you honestly don't even really know .... get therapy.
If you fell for a lie one date #1 like, well then that is called gullability. It doesn't make what the other person did "nice" but come on I can sense a lie probably close to 90% of the time.
And if it is a longer relationship and you are the dumpee rather than the dumper *gasp* You must have been used for sex since you were content in that relationship. It couldn't be that the other persons needs just were not being met. | |
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